Seriously tempted

[T5frankie]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270964342178?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_3229wt_1313

absolutely gorgeous in black with silver wheels yes please, anyone want an 850r for £2295 lol

[kfc]

i was looking at that, by now ive got my beastie. meh!!

[deathrider311271]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270964342178?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_3229wt_1313

absolutely gorgeous in black with silver wheels yes please, anyone want an 850r for £2295 lol

ye im watching that one as well mate its well sexy lol

[ROZER]

hes also selling a v70r 1999 lazer blue £2195 looks very nice. and has a 18t with 265bhp .

[T5frankie]

hes also selling a v70r 1999 lazer blue £2195 looks very nice. and has a 18t with 265bhp .

yeah a phase 2

[LiamT4]

I was looking at that the other day, does look good.

[dalhousie2008]

Def the lazer blue and frankie make your god damn mind up! Your worse than a woman

[Kingsford G]

Laser blue is mice but the ones up for sale r me7 and 4wd

[LiamT4]

Laser blue is mice but the ones up for sale r me7 and 4wd

All the laser blues are me7 and 4wd and they are all 2.4s with a 19t (not 18t) and had the 5spd auto.
I love them in that colour, its just the awd that puts me off them.

[Jimmie]

I just hope he has repaired all the faults that the car had properly and not done just a botched job.
Both are nice car all the same

[dalhousie2008]

Qady has a twin exit v70r forsale 2.4? It's on t5d5 really cheap

[Kingsford G]

R those 2.4 engines better than 2.3?And is there much hassle wiv me 7?

[dalhousie2008]

Have you checked eBay item number 190671173022,

Looks fastidious owner, the sort of chap who'd laminate his old tax discs, nice little buy

[T5frankie]

All the laser blues are me7 and 4wd and they are all 2.4s with a 19t (not 18t) and had the 5spd auto.
I love them in that colour, its just the awd that puts me off them.

thats not true you can get 2.3 lazer blues on an t plate that are phase 2's

[dalhousie2008]

A bargain v70r on gumtree, just been listed

[Wobbly Dave]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/270964342178?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_3229wt_1313

absolutely gorgeous in black with silver wheels yes please, anyone want an 850r for £2295 lol
where u going to get that kinda money from?

[Rhys]

Ooo, very nice :)

[AcidicDavey]

There's something about these cars in Black, they just look the nuts!

[T5frankie]

where u going to get that kinda money from?

I have just broke mine and still own two more Dave I could flog one or its only a few weeks wages lol

[Kingsford G]

R those 2.4 engines better than 2.3?And is there much hassle wiv me 7?

Any answer to the above?

[M-R-P]

2.4 is supposed to be the best for all round tuning - bigger than the 2.3 and stronger than the 2.5. ME7 can be a pig - no dump valve, no Blanking plate, no MBC - you can't even fart in the cabin without it throwing EML!

[the young mechanic]

both nice colours

[Kingsford G]

2.4 is supposed to be the best for all round tuning - bigger than the 2.3 and stronger than the 2.5. ME7 can be a pig - no dump valve, no Blanking plate, no MBC - you can't even fart in the cabin without it throwing EML!

May sound silly but is 2.4 an me7 or not?

[Wobbly Dave]

2.4 run the ME9 - which has VVT cams on both sides. ME7 only has VVT on the exhaust cam.

[Wobbly Dave]

I have just broke mine and still own two more Dave I could flog one or its only a few weeks wages lol
Guess not eating is always an option - you have plenty in reserve :hidesbehi:

[LeeT5]

2.4 is supposed to be the best for all round tuning - bigger than the 2.3 and stronger than the 2.5. ME7 can be a pig - no dump valve, no Blanking plate, no MBC - you can't even fart in the cabin without it throwing EML!

I manage it ok and i don't get an EML!! I think you give the P2 cars a hard time or maybe youve just been unlucky wiv yours?

[LeeT5]

2.4 run the ME9 - which has VVT cams on both sides. ME7 only has VVT on the exhaust cam.

Think that's wrong Dave.
My car is an ME7.1 and that has VVT on both inlet AND exhaust.
My old 1999 Laser blue had ME7 and that ALSO had VVT on inlet and exhaust.

The 2.4 lump in the classic V70R awd that ran 1999 - 2000 was an ME7 engine.

Engine code: B5244RT (Turbo:TD04HL-19T) Bosch ME7. The later R 2003> was....
B5254T4 - KKK-K24 --- Bosch ME7.1.

There was no ME9 fuel system.

See Below:
http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43045

[Wobbly Dave]

MY2005 2.4 is AFAIK ME9 for sure? Don't say that I may have something wrong - I don't think I could live with the shame :cry:

[LeeT5]

May sound silly but is 2.4 an me7 or not?

yes m8, ME7.

[LeeT5]

MY2005 2.4 is AFAIK ME9 for sure? Don't say that I may have something wrong - I don't think I could live with the shame :cry:

I'm not talking about 2005my and neither is Kingsford. He means the 2.4 1999 - 2000 lump.
Your 2005 2.4 is a different engine and yes it will be ME9. The 2.4 engine may well be mechanically the same but the 2005> use ME9 which is a completely different fuel system to the ME7.

[Wobbly Dave]

OIC - it's all good then.

[Kingsford G]

yes m8, ME7.

What is so special about 2.4 than? `cos some ppl mentioned they r good to mod and all that.

[T5frankie]

What is so special about 2.4 than? `cos some ppl mentioned they r good to mod and all that.

get more power from a 2.4 than a 2.3 and more reliable than the 2.5 when modding

[MattM]

<3 2.4
Quite straight forward to get a reliable 350bhp so I've read.

[LeeT5]

All the laser blues are me7 and 4wd and they are all 2.4s with a 19t (not 18t) and had the 5spd auto.
I love them in that colour, its just the awd that puts me off them.

To clarify...cos your obviously confused...

The 'classic' shape V70 ran from 1997 - 2000. The V70R AWD version of the 'classic' ran from 1998 - 2000.
The phase 1 - was from 1997 - 1998. (V70R FWD only).
Phase 2 - 1999 (V70R AWD)
Phase 3 - 1999/2000 (V70R AWD)

My laser blue V70R awd that i used to own (people that know me long enough know which one) was a 1999 2.3 (2319cc) and had the 4 spd adaptive learning auto box. It also had the n/s bumper blanked off and the exhaust came out the o/s. This model on this year has 250bhp ONLY!!
The later V70R on a 1999/2000my which had twin exhaust was the only model to have 265bhp, 2.4 (2435cc) and have a 5 spd auto.This was achieved by fitting the 19T turbo. The 250bhp version (ie Phase 2) had an 18T turbo as did the Phase 1 (which was only available in FWD). Both had 2.3 T5 engines but with the difference of having a bigger turbo and remap. Normal T5 engines that ran from 1994 - 1997 had a 15G turbo and 225bhp accept the 850T5-R which was 240bhp and the 850R which was 250bhp.

The V70R AWD 'Classic' was a Phase 2 or 3 car, not a Phase 1.

In 2003 Volvo ditched the 'classic' shape R models and the P26 was born. This also had an engine overhaul inc 2521cc with lighter crankshaft, racing sump, over the engine intercooler hose, ME7.1, KKK-24 (bigger) turbo, full remap, 4C, two fuel pumps, two intercoolers, 300bhp and a whole raft of extra stuff!
The engine on the P26 - R does not redline until 7250rpm where as the previous lumps did so at around 6750rpm (if my memory serves me correct?) can any current Phase 2/3 owners corroborate that please?

[LeeT5]

Be warned thou!!!

There are quite a few 'rouge' V70R's out there of the classic variety, namely people that have resprayed their cars 'laser blue' (the most desireable IMO) and i have also come across one or two phase 2 cars that have had the bumper modded and the exhaust adapted and claim to be 265bhp. They are, of course only 250bhp.
The only way to be sure is to get the VIN, engine code and VRN and walk into your local dealer. They will be able to clarify from Volvo UK exactly what the car should be and exactly what spec it left the factory with.

hope that helps ;)

[T5frankie]

Be warned thou!!!

There are quite a few 'rouge' V70R's out there of the classic variety, namely people that have resprayed their cars 'laser blue' (the most desireable IMO) and i have also come across one or two phase 2 cars that have had the bumper modded and the exhaust adapted and claim to be 265bhp. They are, of course only 250bhp.
The only way to be sure is to get the VIN, engine code and VRN and walk into your local dealer. They will be able to clarify from Volvo UK exactly what the car should be and exactly what spec it left the factory with.

hope that helps ;)

you wanna tell this bloke then lee and see what response you get lol

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-VOLVO-V70-R-ESTATE-STUNNING-LAZER-BLUE-WITH-BEIGE-LEATHER-ALCANTARA-/270968883478?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3f17010916#ht_2458wt_1313

[Kingsford G]

P3 5speed auto box,is it more reliable than 4speed one?Dont like the idea of awd as apparantly they suffer wiv diff or other probs

[t5 pete]

P3 5speed auto box,is it more reliable than 4speed one?Dont like the idea of awd as apparantly they suffer wiv diff or other probs

The main problem is when they break its like rocking horse poo to find another box and yes the awd can have some costly problems

[LeeT5]

you wanna tell this bloke then lee and see what response you get lol

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-VOLVO-V70-R-ESTATE-STUNNING-LAZER-BLUE-WITH-BEIGE-LEATHER-ALCANTARA-/270968883478?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item3f17010916#ht_2458wt_1313

Well don't say i don't tell you so!!

I just ran his plate through a check and it comes up as Blue V70R AWD AUTO, 2319cc, 240bhp!! Registered 12/05/1999. :deal:
NOT 265bhp that he claims.

So why don't you ring him and tell him cos i'm off to watch a film! :haha:

[LeeT5]

P3 5speed auto box,is it more reliable than 4speed one?Dont like the idea of awd as apparantly they suffer wiv diff or other probs

Mate there no different. One is not stronger than the other. I ran 310bhp through my laser for 2 yeras and she never missed a beat. Gear changes were smooth as a nut.
Just because you heard a horror story from some one on the forum or else where doesn't mean you have to tarnish them all with the same brush.
Some people just don't know how to look after these cars and consequently they rag'em!
There will always be dogs out there no matter what car you buy.:D

[LeeT5]

P3 5speed auto box,is it more reliable than 4speed one?Dont like the idea of awd as apparantly they suffer wiv diff or other probs

PM'd

[T5frankie]

Well don't say i don't tell you so!!

I just ran his plate through a check and it comes up as Blue V70R AWD AUTO, 2319cc, 240bhp!! Registered 12/05/1999. :deal:
NOT 265bhp that he claims.

So why don't you ring him and tell him cos i'm off to watch a film! :haha:

i have told him and he went off on one lol

[Kingsford G]

i have told him and he went off on one lol

There some clowns out there.

[LiamT4]

It would be easy to tell, if anyone went and viewed it anyway, only the 2.4 has the 5spd auto.

Unfortunatly the only pic in the front is from the wrong angle to be able see.

[AcidicDavey]

The phase 3s have twin exhausts, that one has one and is therefore a phase 2 but has the Blue engine cover of a phase 3, very weird. Pretty sure the Phase 2 had black engine covers but not sure. Nice car but give me a manual pleeeaase!!!

[LeeT5]

The phase 3s have twin exhausts, that one has one and is therefore a phase 2 but has the Blue engine cover of a phase 3, very weird. Pretty sure the Phase 2 had black engine covers but not sure. Nice car but give me a manual pleeeaase!!!

Phase 2 cars do have blue engine covers. It's only the P1 cars that had black ones.
Basically that car is a Phase 2, NOT a phase 3.

It will have a 4 spd auto.

[AcidicDavey]

Phase 2 cars do have blue engine covers. It's only the P1 cars that had black ones.
Basically that car is a Phase 2, NOT a phase 3.

It will have a 4 spd auto.

Cheers for, that I wasn't sure about the cover.

[LeeT5]

I just sent him this msg:

Hi.
Lovely car, thou i will point out a mistake in your ad for you that you should amend.
Your car is, infact, a Phase 2 car yet it does NOT have 265bhp that you claim. I know this because your car only has one exhaust and not two!
I will also tell you that your car IS a 240bhp model with the 18T turbo. For your information, Volvo did not make a 265bhp V70R AWD with an 18T. The 265bhp model has two exhaust outlets (one either side of the rear bumper) and they have a 19T turbo. Your car is also a 4 spd adaptive learning auto.
I trust you will amend your ad as you can see, it is very confusing to prospective buyers.

Your car details should read: 1999 Volvo V70R AWD, Laser Blue, 240bhp auto.

Hope that helps.


Lets all watch to see his reaction. I will keep you posted as to what he says. I would urge anyone here not to but this car. Afterall, what else is he fabricating??

For the record, he claims Volvo fitted a 16T to older V70R AWD's....They didn't!

[AcidicDavey]

Lol, I sent him a similar message about 30mins ago.
Poor §§§§§§, loads of emails yet no buyers lol

[LiamT4]

Why did they do them with an 18t yet still have the same power as the 16t? Did they have more torque?

[AcidicDavey]

Why did they do them with an 18t yet still have the same power as the 16t? Did they have more torque?

The autos had the 16T and 10bhp less

[AcidicDavey]

I got a response:

Please re check your info. I have had this conversation with several people who think they know all about volvos. Mine is as described. Checked with Volvo uk

I basically told him that the Phase 2s have 250 not 265 and his is the 250/240 as it has a single outlet exhaust!

[LiamT4]

The autos had the 16T and 10bhp less

According to leet5 the awd autos with the 18t have 240bhp, which is the same as the fwd autos with the 16t.

[AcidicDavey]

According to leet5 the awd autos with the 18t have 240bhp, which is the same as the fwd autos with the 16t.

I cant' imagine the AWD has a the better turbo due to it's even weaker drivetrain! I think they both have the 16t and manual has 18t. This is phase one btw, I think all phase 2s have 18t, I'm 99% sure of this...

[Redbrick]

The phase 3 with 19T and 265 had to be introduced as the whole package had got too lardy for its own good. :hidesbehi:

[shaun850]

I've skipped through the thread so it may have been said already.. The laser blue car is the same guy who owns the black one..

Black one is nice, I supplied the parts he's just had fitted although didn't chat to the guy :(

[LeeT5]

I cant' imagine the AWD has a the better turbo due to it's even weaker drivetrain! I think they both have the 16t and manual has 18t. This is phase one btw, I think all phase 2s have 18t, I'm 99% sure of this...

OK, lets mop this one up....

ALL phase 2 V70R AWDs had a 18T whether they were auto/manual. The auto ones were just mapped different to ease torque on the auto box.

ALL phase 3 V70R AWDs had a 19T. Auto and some very rare manuals.

Look at your engine code on the top/side of your timing belt cover. Then look at this chart, it will tell you what turbo you have:

http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/showthread.php?t=43045

[LeeT5]

I also sent him this.........

You really should get your facts right. I have owned Volvos for 21 years and i owned a Phase 2 V70R AWD in laser blue for 4yrs and currently own a 2004 V70R. It was on a S/1999 and it was the same as the car your listing. I would go back to Volvo uk and correct them because i know for a fact that the phase 3 had 265bhp and a bigger turbo with twin exhaust outlets.

Note: Your car has the B5234T8 (2319cc) engine and this has an 18T with 240bhp on the auto and 250bhp manual. The 265bhp Phase 3 cars that were only produced in 2000 were a bigger engine (2435cc) and bigger 19T turbo. They were also fitted with a 5 spd auto box. Being as your selling a V70R AWD with a 4 spd auto, single exhaust outlet and on an S/1999.....well, you work it out!
Heres a list of Turbo applications to help you on your way. I'll point you in the right direction....your car is the 5th and 6th from the bottom. Note 18T and engine code!!
Ps. You should change your attitude because i was only trying to help you.

Engine*Turbo type*Wastegate*ECU revision*Volvo part no.

5 cylinder

B5254T2 TD04L-14T ---/-- Bosch ME7x 8692518
B5244T3 TD04HL-13G ---/-- Bosch ME7x --------
B5234FT TD04HL-15G 150/40 Bosch M4.3 5003910
B5234FT TD04HL-15G 150/40 Bosch M4.3 8601070
B5234FT TD04HL-15G 150/40 Bosch M4.4 8601238
B5234T3 TD04HL-16T 218/60 Bosch ME7 9471655
B5234T3 TD04HL-16T 275/60 Bosch ME7 8601691
B5234T3 TD04HL-16T 275/60 Bosch M4.3 8601691
B5234T4 TD04HL-16T 216/60 Bosch M4.3 1275663
B5234T4 TD04HL-16T 216/60 Bosch M4.3 8601239
B5234T4 TD04HL-16T 216/60 Bosch M4.3 8601226
B5234T4 TD04HL-18T 275/60 Bosch M4.4 9185628
B5234T4 TD04HL-18T 275/60 Bosch M4.4 8601456
B5234T5 TD04HL-15G 150/40 Bosch M4.3 9146785
B5234T8 TD04HL-18T 300/70 Bosch ME7 9454563<<< (2319cc 18T)
B5234T8 TD04HL-18T 300/70 Bosch ME7 8601461<<< (2319cc 18T)
B5244RT TD04HL-19T 300/70 Bosch ME7 9471657
B5244RT TD04HL-19T 300/70 Bosch ME7 8601693
B5254T TD04HL-13G 150/30 Bosch M4.4 8601227
B5254T4 KKK-K24 --- Bosch ME7.

His reply was this.....

I don't need help and comments from people that think they know it all Thankyou. If you are not interested in buying the car, why bother looking?


So i sent him this......

I don't know it all, i just know more than you!
C..O..C..K..!!

[Turbodave]

Reading this with interest as I'm very tempted by the black car... though there's still part of me thinks it's a bit cheap given the condition/history etc. Looking at the car and driving it would be the next logical step but as per bloody usual it's almost 350 miles away which in itself is a bit of a ballache.

Given he's a trader, I suggested that I'd drive down and part ex mine (for next to nothing) and if the black one is a go-er, bring it home. That way it's a solo trip for me with fuel only one way. Plus, if it turns out to be less than ideal, I simply drive home in mine again and accept that I've wasted £150 in fuel... but better that than flying and ending up stranded in Gloucester, or indeed making a mate drive 700 miles with me!

Not given up hope yet... just logistically not ideal and there's still something niggling at the back of my head. Can't put my finger on it though.

Anybody know the black car, confirm its history etc?

Cheers

[LeeT5]

He also said this....

I have had this conversation with several anoraks. I have contacted Volvo uk to obtain info. Take it up with them. 240?265? Who cares. It's just a car. In fact it's currently being used for storage. Have several so not bothered what happens to it

Well i never! If he has this sort of attitude then i wouldn't buy any car from him.

"...currently used for storage..." Great! So the car has loads of rubbish chucked in it then? Clearly he doesn't look after his cars. From what he's said i doubt very much that he obtained any info from Volvo uk. He's even admitting that he doesn't know what it is..240/265?? Muppet!

[Kingsford G]

He also said this....

I have had this conversation with several anoraks. I have contacted Volvo uk to obtain info. Take it up with them. 240?265? Who cares. It's just a car. In fact it's currently being used for storage. Have several so not bothered what happens to it

Well i never! If he has this sort of attitude then i wouldn't buy any car from him.

"...currently used for storage..." Great! So the car has loads of rubbish chucked in it then? Clearly he doesn't look after his cars. From what he's said i doubt very much that he obtained any info from Volvo uk. He's even admitting that he doesn't know what it is..240/265?? Muppet!

Totally agree mate.

[volvokid]

Post a link to here and show him he has been named and shamed ;)

[Kingsford G]

Post a link to here and show him he has been named and shamed ;)

Some ppl u can`t shame I think he`ll just send us all his love lol in an F words for some reason

[dalhousie2008]

He also said this....

I have had this conversation with several anoraks. I have contacted Volvo uk to obtain info. Take it up with them. 240?265? Who cares. It's just a car. In fact it's currently being used for storage. Have several so not bothered what happens to it

Well i never! If he has this sort of attitude then i wouldn't buy any car from him.

"...currently used for storage..." Great! So the car has loads of rubbish chucked in it then? Clearly he doesn't look after his cars. From what he's said i doubt very much that he obtained any info from Volvo uk. He's even admitting that he doesn't know what it is..240/265?? Muppet!

I just asked what exactly it is, to wind him up lol, see what kind of response i get.

[The Flying Banana]

I have to add my two bob here, the guy is right , if you are not interested why you bother, let the buyer do his homework, he is being terrorised by keyboard stalkers here ... doesnt really paint a great image of VPCUK does it and encourage peeps top join, it paints a pic of cleeky groups and stalkers IMO

[T5frankie]

i messaged him about a month ago, but he had a right attitude so deserves all he gets if he don't want to listen to the proper volvo experts, the people who sit behind a pc at volvo dealerships know naff all

[Kingsford G]

I have to add my two bob here, the guy is right , if you are not interested why you bother, let the buyer do his homework, he is being terrorised by keyboard stalkers here ... doesnt really paint a great image of VPCUK does it and encourage peeps top join, it paints a pic of cleeky groups and stalkers IMO

Put it this way,if someone c that ad wiv no knowledge of volvos will b thinking he`s buying a better spec car than it is so the seller is in the wrong here missleading potential buyers and eventually would end up wiv the car lower spec than he expected.A bit of honesty wouldn`t hurt.I mean when frankie was hohest about his v70r ppl still went jurgmental even tho the price was pennies.

[M-R-P]

i messaged him about a month ago, but he had a right attitude so deserves all he gets if he don't want to listen to the proper volvo experts, the people who sit behind a pc at volvo dealerships know naff all

I can vouch for that. I called my local stealer looking for some steering stops and, regardless of the fact that they wanted 17 quid each for the stops, the guy insisted that they weren't colour coded! tool.

[Turbodave]

I'm not really at liberty to comment on the ins and outs of it all, but as a potential buyer who's excahnged a couple of emails with him... he's been nothing but prompt and helpful with regards to the black car. Ok, so he's got some information wrong in the advert for the blue car but hey, we're only human plus perhaps having several people storming on in pointing out the error of his ways has rubbed him up the wrong way. I know I'd be a bit arsey in the same sitaution especially if 99% of incoming emails were from people who had no intention of buying.

But anyways, back to the point in hand...

Does anybody actually know of the car? As a potential buyer, I'm really don't care if it's 240, 250 or 900bhp and nor do I really care if the ashtray was manufacturer in Valhalla in 1998 but he says it's 1997 and was made in Norfkopbogen... I'd just like to try and find out a little more about said car before I program my Sat Nav, overdose on Red Bull and embark on a 700 mile round trip. Potentially!

[T5frankie]

I'm not really at liberty to comment on the ins and outs of it all, but as a potential buyer who's excahnged a couple of emails with him... he's been nothing but prompt and helpful with regards to the black car. Ok, so he's got some information wrong in the advert for the blue car but hey, we're only human plus perhaps having several people storming on in pointing out the error of his ways has rubbed him up the wrong way. I know I'd be a bit arsey in the same sitaution especially if 99% of incoming emails were from people who had no intention of buying.

But anyways, back to the point in hand...

Does anybody actually know of the car? As a potential buyer, I'm really don't care if it's 240, 250 or 900bhp and nor do I really care if the ashtray was manufacturer in Valhalla in 1998 but he says it's 1997 and was made in Norfkopbogen... I'd just like to try and find out a little more about said car before I program my Sat Nav, overdose on Red Bull and embark on a 700 mile round trip. Potentially!

put it this way mate if i had a bit more money that car would be gone, that black on is the nuts better than the ropey old blue one lol

[T5frankie]

funny how they both have the exact same grill, shaun850 lives in gloucester

[Turbodave]

put it this way mate if i had a bit more money that car would be gone, that black on is the nuts better than the ropey old blue one lol

The blue one doesn't really interest me regardless of what's been said about it on here, the fact it's an auto kinda kills it dead in the water for me (although that one in Stirling is an auto, but it's also a few miles away and £600 so I could perhaps live with it...) but the black one does appeal even though it's more than I'd budgeted for one - but as it's more than I'd budgeted and it's a trek, it'd need to be right.

Sat here with my finger howevering over the mouse whilst on Easyjet's website...

Decisions...


funy how they both have the exact same grill, shaun850 lives in gloucester

I did wonder that. I did also wonder if the pictures were taken at roughly the same time. I went in to detective mode and concluded that yes, they were and thus both cars have the same grille... or... it's been swapped for the pictures. Possibly.

I suspect MI-6 won't be head-hunting me anytime soon!

[Rhys]

I suspect MI-6 won't be head-hunting me anytime soon!

Open and shut case maybe? lol

[dalhousie2008]

Take another forum member with you, share thedriving



I'm not really at liberty to comment on the ins and outs of it all, but as a potential buyer who's excahnged a couple of emails with him... he's been nothing but prompt and helpful with regards to the black car. Ok, so he's got some information wrong in the advert for the blue car but hey, we're only human plus perhaps having several people storming on in pointing out the error of his ways has rubbed him up the wrong way. I know I'd be a bit arsey in the same sitaution especially if 99% of incoming emails were from people who had no intention of buying.

But anyways, back to the point in hand...

Does anybody actually know of the car? As a potential buyer, I'm really don't care if it's 240, 250 or 900bhp and nor do I really care if the ashtray was manufacturer in Valhalla in 1998 but he says it's 1997 and was made in Norfkopbogen... I'd just like to try and find out a little more about said car before I program my Sat Nav, overdose on Red Bull and embark on a 700 mile round trip. Potentially!

[dalhousie2008]

Mind when the cars sold guys we'll have to convince a new owner that it's not 265 bhp 4 speed 2.3 and the cycle starts all over again lol

[V70 Graham]

.....mind when the cars sold guys we'll have to convince a new owner that it's not 265 bhp 4 speed 2.3 and the cycle starts all over again lol

I agree, and whilst I also agree with not ganging up and hounding the seller, maybe a prospective buyer does not know as much about Volvo's and genuinely think he is getting something which he isn't.....just saying.

[Turbodave]

Take another forum member with you, share thedriving

As with buying any car a distance away, I can either...

a) Use public transport (in this case, circa £100) and arrive at the car and basiclaly hope it's what I want. If it is, great... drive home. If not, I'm left 400 miles from home with no return travel booked so you either say "sod it, I'll take it anyway" or embark on an unplanned trip home having wasted circa £250 in travel costs.

b) Take my current car down along with a mate, least that way if it's not what I want it's easy enough to say "thanks, but no thanks" and drive home. If it turns out to be a go-er, then me or a mate drive it back. Total costs... probably nigh on £200. The upside to plan B, I could line up two or three cars and view them all then decide which (if any) is coming back north.

The actual driving distance isn't an issue, granted 750 miles in one day is a bit of a task but I've done it before...


I agree, and whilst I also agree with not ganging up and hounding the seller, maybe a prospective buyer does not know as much about Volvo's and genuinely think he is getting something which he isn't.....just saying.

Totally agree and as a novice, I had no idea that the last of line 2.4's came in different guises and I only learned yesterday that they come in different colours. I assumed they were all 2.4, all 265bhp and all Laser Blue.

Just shows, it's worth doing some research and that the forums are an invaluable tool in situations like this.

[LeeT5]

I have to add my two bob here, the guy is right , if you are not interested why you bother, let the buyer do his homework, he is being terrorised by keyboard stalkers here ... doesnt really paint a great image of VPCUK does it and encourage peeps top join, it paints a pic of cleeky groups and stalkers IMO

Your missing the point fella. It doesn't matter whether i was interested in buying the car or not, He didn't know that. Fact is, I queried his item description and he wasn't even prepared to listen. At the end of the day he's the idiot and he lost, potentially, two buyers; me and my imaginary friend!!
The blokes obviously got an attitude and if you went to look, with the money in your wallet and the potential to purchase, you telling me that you'd still buy the car if its been incorrectly listed as a 265bhp model when infact its a 240bhp?? Thats a big difference in power and an extra insurance group too. You would be well :mad: if you parted with your hard earned and then found out you had been conned!

His attitude stinks and i wouldn't give the t os se r the time of day, let alone buy one of his cars.

For that matter, I wouldn't go look at the black one either, even thou its advertised correctly.

[LeeT5]

I'm not really at liberty to comment on the ins and outs of it all, but as a potential buyer who's excahnged a couple of emails with him... he's been nothing but prompt and helpful with regards to the black car.

Well he bloody would be wouldn't he? He wants your hard earned cash!!!! He ain't gonna be blatantly rude just for the sake of it. He won't give a toss when you drive away in a V70R AWD with 265bhp......No, sorry, i mean't 240bhp. He'll be the one laughing and you'll be left with a car that's not as advertised.
Can you imagine the grief you'd get trying to get your money back from this arrogant ******!!!:wallbash::cry:

[LeeT5]

I agree, and whilst I also agree with not ganging up and hounding the seller, maybe a prospective buyer does not know as much about Volvo's and genuinely think he is getting something which he isn't.....just saying.

At last, some common sense! :hail:

[LeeT5]

Totally agree and as a novice, I had no idea that the last of line 2.4's came in different guises and I only learned yesterday that they come in different colours. I assumed they were all 2.4, all 265bhp and all Laser Blue.

Just shows, it's worth doing some research and that the forums are an invaluable tool in situations like this.

Well said Dave :)

[LiamT4]

He's advertising it as something that its not, if nobody cares if its 240 or 265, then why is he selling as the more powerfull one?

I definatly wouldn't have been very happy when i was looking for 540s, if i'd have gone to view one and it turned out to be a 535 and the same would be said here.

[Jimmie]

Like i commented earlier i just hope that he has repaired all the fault that the black one had when he bought it .If he has he deserves the markup he has put on it.
I doubt he has though as he would need a higher asking price if he is a genuine bona fida dealer.
But it is up to the buyer to check the goods!

[Turbodave]

Like i commented earlier i just hope that he has repaired all the fault that the black one had when he bought it .If he has he deserves the markup he has put on it.
I doubt he has though as he would need a higher asking price if he is a genuine bona fida dealer.
But it is up to the buyer to check the goods!

Massively beneficial comment for me, a potential buyer, sat 400 miles from the car with £2,500 burning a hole in my pocket...

Care to elaborate? Feel free to PM me...

[AcidicDavey]

I just remember reading about the blue one over on VOC in Feb,

linky (http://www.volvoforums.org.uk/showthread.php?t=144899) It's mentioned in post #7

[AcidicDavey]

Massively beneficial comment for me, a potential buyer, sat 400 miles from the car with £2,500 burning a hole in my pocket...

Care to elaborate? Feel free to PM me...

Old ad for the Black V70 R

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320883191434#ht_1133wt_1185

Quite a list of issues

[Turbodave]

Although I know a bit more about the car's past, cannie help but find myself going back to the listing time and time again. Though the likes of this do the seller no favours:

PLEASE PLEASE,NO MORE ANORAKS,COMPLETE TIMEWASTERS WHO JUST WANT TO SEE HOW FAST THESE CARS ARE(YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE)DREAMERS AND TYRE KICKERS.
I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO DRIVE YOU AROUND FOR AS LONG AS YOU LIKE BUT YOU WILL NOT BE DRIVING THIS CAR WITHOUT PRODUCTION OF A VALID DRIVERS LICENCE AND FULLY COMPREHENSIVE INSURANCE.SORRY

I did enquire about the car, couple of emails to ask a couple of questions but cost wise it was just stretching me a bit too far time I took the travel costs into account. Told him this, thanked him for his time. Now, week or so on I still find myself being drawn back to it. Since I first saw it, have 'freed' up a fair amount of cash so the price is no longer and issue but hmmm, based on the above, I'm not sure I'd happily jump on a plane with a view to buying it.

It's a shame how the seller's attitude can make or break a sale. Just this very evening bought an 02 plate Omega MV6 on behalf of a friend and the chap was just a joy to deal with. Polite, courteous, prompt and couldn't do more to accomodate me. Drove the car for a good 20 mins or so, asked some questions... paid the asking price.

Never say never, part of me wants to go and buy it... part of me doesn't.

[T5frankie]

Although I know a bit more about the car's past, cannie help but find myself going back to the listing time and time again. Though the likes of this do the seller no favours:

PLEASE PLEASE,NO MORE ANORAKS,COMPLETE TIMEWASTERS WHO JUST WANT TO SEE HOW FAST THESE CARS ARE(YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE)DREAMERS AND TYRE KICKERS.
I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO DRIVE YOU AROUND FOR AS LONG AS YOU LIKE BUT YOU WILL NOT BE DRIVING THIS CAR WITHOUT PRODUCTION OF A VALID DRIVERS LICENCE AND FULLY COMPREHENSIVE INSURANCE.SORRY

I did enquire about the car, couple of emails to ask a couple of questions but cost wise it was just stretching me a bit too far time I took the travel costs into account. Told him this, thanked him for hi s time. Now, week or so on I still find myself being drawn back to it. Since I first saw it, have 'freed' up a fair amount of cash so the price is no longer and issue but hmmm, based on the above, I'm not sure I'd happily jump on a plane with a view to buying it.

It's a shame how the seller's attitude can make or break a sale. Just this very evening bought an 02 plate Omega MV6 on behalf of a friend and the chap was just a joy to deal with. Polite, courteous, prompt and couldn't do more to accomodate me. Drove the car for a good 20 mins or so, asked some questions... paid the asking price.

Never say never, part of me wants to go and buy it... part of me doesn't.

Don't do it its a heap

[Turbodave]

Advice taken dude and a line struck through that one.

Next!

[Jimmie]

Give strathmore in perth a bell to see if they know of anything in the trade .Due to the age of the vehicle it would just go to the ring.
http://www.dealer.volvocars.co.uk/strathmore/perth/
They are a top dealer imho.

[Turbodave]

Give strathmore in perth a bell to see if they know of anything in the trade .Due to the age of the vehicle it would just go to the ring.
http://www.dealer.volvocars.co.uk/strathmore/perth/
They are a top dealer imho.

I'd agree with that chap. Had dealings with tem before for servicing and parts and have always left feeling rather impressed with the service. There will be cars out there, off the radar as it were but one of the biggest issues is they are so few and far between that there's usually a serious distance involved. I'm gutted that I missed the Cassis Pearl V70R that Buchannan Motors had in a few weeks back.

There's this one too...

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3772579.htm

It was for sale on here but the chap went abroad if I remember correctly. It wa sbought then back up for sale within a month but the advert expired. No idea if it sold or not. They seem to crop up then disappear off the rader again. You'd think such cars would always be 'known' given their rarity.

I'm still liking the black one though even though 99.9% says no!

Dammit!

[Jimmie]

Email pistonheads with the info and they will usually supply you with the owners details.
110% walk away from the black one.If it has been repaired i'll bet it was done on the cheap.

[Turbodave]

Email pistonheads with the info and they will usually supply you with the owners details.
110% walk away from the black one.If it has been repaired i'll bet it was done on the cheap.

Really? Are they allowed to do that? I did say to the chap from Buchannan's (who sold the Cassis Pearl one) to keep me in mind if his customer ever came back to trade the car in but he didn't seem interested!

[Jimmie]

Back to the black one!
Did you ever contact the previous owner for info on the car?

[Turbodave]

Back to the black one!
Did you ever contact the previous owner for info on the car?

Nah, his original advery was pretty decent and he listed every single little issue the car had and was the original owner, so seemed genuine. Certainly the work done by the buyer/trader did tie into the description of the issues in the original advert but it also failed to mention any of the less pressing cosmetic issues. The fact he bought if for £720, skimmed the discs, fitted pads, a lower arm and stuck it through an Mot... and then stuck it up for £2495 then dropped to £2295 is a sore pill to swallow. It's his car and if he gets the money, fair play but I couldn't hand over £2,200 knowing he'd got it for next to nowt. Granted, that's his business at the end of the day but still... Had it been £1750, I'd have had a punt but £2,200 plus costs. Nah, I'll pass. Just wish I'd seen the original ad at the time and snapped it up for £720.

[MIXA]

Theres better out there than the black very nice looking heap if its not been repaired to a1 speck its only gona cost more cash on an already pricey motor look for another cheap one and spend your extra cash on it and end up with a minter that you know is done correctly

[Turbodave]

Actually, buying black V70R's cheap and then marking up the price must be the done thing. Remeber the black V70R auto that was for sale in Stirling recently, £600 on Gumtree. I emailed the chap and three days later got a reply saying it was sold.

http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/volvo-v70r-estate-car/101515166

Well lo and behold, it's back and this time on Autotrader with a few more pictures. Now for sale via a local sole trader for £1,795 please. And I was right, definately doesn't have an 'R' front bumper and the wheels are from a later car too. He must have sorted the brakes and stuck it through an Mot.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201219469149578/sort/default/usedcars/fuel-type/petrol/price-to/3000/maximum-age/over_10_years_old/price-from/1000/model/v70/make/volvo/radius/1501/postcode/ky118na/page/6?logcode=p

Also, is this the right steering wheel? I thought 'R' spec cars had alcantara inserts in the wheel. This one looks like it's from a base model?

http://pictures2.autotrader.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=2034317984

Wrong bumper and potentially the wrong wheel... front end hit at some stage?

[960kg]

To be quite honest i only joined this forum some few weeks back and i joined because i am a member on other sites as well and wanted to be part of an exciting more performance enhanced forum which sadly for me hasn`t come up to my expectations.

The S40 VOC section is really great with a good bunch of owners who know there own levels.

The 850/V70 VOC section are quite reasonable owners with a few £££££e members that think they are better than a lot of others and duly let them know.

So i joined this side hoping all would be a pleasant experience but sadly have now found that it really is the worst for tearing people to shreds for the sake of themselves knowing others will support them.

To be honest i think it stinks and lesser beings on this planet do not treat others as you do on here.

I am a nobody and i know it but here are some that just wallow in there own self righteousness for there own ego.

How you can just pick holes in all peoples adverts all over the place and have to comment on here and have a good old gangbang about them really does give this Forum a very bad taste in the mouth, and not only mine. You do really scrape the barrel for items to talk about and the banter is really so ridiculous subtly arguing to and fro hoping that you have stated your case in a rather quiet manner so it may be accepted.

I think this thread will do lot of harm to this forum and it will only encourage more like it if not stopped. It is just not right to hassle sellers just to prove your better knowledge, if your buying the motor ok, but you not are you, as you already have your own!

So about the contents in topic:

If anyone was prepared to buy this type of supercar at that price with todays fuel prices they would be finding all out about them before parting with there money, a serious buyer would not be caught out. But there are the buyers that want this type of car whatever even if they know the seller is wrong in it`s advertising. So basically who cares what BHP it produces it is the condition of the motor which is paramount not the fact that it may have the wrong steering wheel or different coloured carpets. Owners of the early V70`s / 850`s they all tart them up as they are too old now, and we buy cheap and customize ourself to keep the marque going and save them being crushed.

I don`t know where this list originates from but it can`t be taken as gospel because my `97 V70 T5 has a 16T 240ps with a Bosch M4.4 and the list does not state this.

5 cylinder

B5254T2 TD04L-14T ---/-- Bosch ME7x 8692518
B5244T3 TD04HL-13G ---/-- Bosch ME7x --------
B5234FT TD04HL-15G 150/40 Bosch M4.3 5003910
B5234FT TD04HL-15G 150/40 Bosch M4.3 8601070
B5234FT TD04HL-15G 150/40 Bosch M4.4 8601238
B5234T3 TD04HL-16T 218/60 Bosch ME7 9471655
B5234T3 TD04HL-16T 275/60 Bosch ME7 8601691
B5234T3 TD04HL-16T 275/60 Bosch M4.3 8601691
B5234T4 TD04HL-16T 216/60 Bosch M4.3 1275663
B5234T4 TD04HL-16T 216/60 Bosch M4.3 8601239
B5234T4 TD04HL-16T 216/60 Bosch M4.3 8601226
B5234T4 TD04HL-18T 275/60 Bosch M4.4 9185628
B5234T4 TD04HL-18T 275/60 Bosch M4.4 8601456
B5234T5 TD04HL-15G 150/40 Bosch M4.3 9146785
B5234T8 TD04HL-18T 300/70 Bosch ME7 9454563
B5234T8 TD04HL-18T 300/70 Bosch ME7 8601461
B5244RT TD04HL-19T 300/70 Bosch ME7 9471657
B5244RT TD04HL-19T 300/70 Bosch ME7 8601693
B5254T TD04HL-13G 150/30 Bosch M4.4 8601227
B5254T4 KKK-K24 --- Bosch ME7.1 8602805

[Turbodave]

How you can just pick holes in all peoples adverts all over the place and have to comment on here and have a good old gangbang about them really does give this Forum a very bad taste in the mouth, and not only mine. You do really scrape the barrel for items to talk about and the banter is really so ridiculous subtly arguing to and fro hoping that you have stated your case in a rather quiet manner so it may be accepted.

I think this thread will do lot of harm to this forum and it will only encourage more like it if not stopped. It is just not right to hassle sellers just to prove your better knowledge, if your buying the motor ok, but you not are you, as you already have your own!

So about the contents in topic:

If anyone was prepared to buy this type of supercar at that price with todays fuel prices they would be finding all out about them before parting with there money, a serious buyer would not be caught out. But there are the buyers that want this type of car whatever even if they know the seller is wrong in it`s advertising. So basically who cares what BHP it produces it is the condition of the motor which is paramount not the fact that it may have the wrong steering wheel or different coloured carpets. Owners of the early V70`s / 850`s they all tart them up as they are too old now, and we buy cheap and customize ourself to keep the marque going and save them being crushed.


Ok, I'll bite...

First up, as you can probably tell from my post count and content, I'm here as I'm in the market for a T5 of some description. I've had two before but I was young and stupid and bought them because they were quick and I sold them both within a matter of weeks. Now, I'm looking for another but being older and wiser, with two kids and a dog... I want one and I want the right car. Despite being an ex owner and an enthusiast unfortunately I'm an amatuer when it comes to the detail.

I've looked at pretty much every car for sale over the past few weeks, when I say "looked" I mean I've looked at the adverts and enquired about three seperate cars. One was sold, one I'm going to view this afternoon and one... is that black V70R that was discussed. Now, I looked at it as a shiny, top dollar V70R and was told be the seller it was the best of the best and it'd be worth a flight from Scotland to view it. Like anybody with half a clue, I checked how deep to water was before throwing myself in.

I asked on here. Why? Not because these guys are wolves tearing at a carcass but because there are people on here who know their stuff. More than me. Also, these cars are very niche market and rare and thus, there's a high chance somebody will know about the car in question and either reassure me or warn me away from it. Whilst I don't condone several buying having a go at a seller, if the information provided is incorrect in their advert and thus could mislead people like me, then feel free. Ok, the exact power... who cares but if that's not right, what else isn't right.

I opted not to travel down and view the black V70R for two reasons. First, it was top dollar and also as it transpires it had a bit of a past. Research on here and elsewhere would suggest it wasn't quite as mint as it was suggested. I also found several other cars and asked for advice on those. I have several thousand pounds in my pocket, one car to see today, two hopefully. If I buy one of them, it'll be because it's the right car and also because the knowledgable chaps here have givem the nod. I'm a big boy, I can make my own decisions but I also respect the fact that there's also of knowledge on here, regardless of how it's packaged.

I don't know any of these guys on here, I haven't met any of them personally however if they collectively help me buy a good example, or more to the case they help me NOT to buy a poor example... rest assured I'll be taking some of the cash I have left over and I'll be buying them all a pint should our paths ever cross.

One last thing in closing, I also own another 'niche' market performance car with a close knit owners froum. Like here there are many knowledgable chaps and like here, there are many good cars and bad cars. We've just had one car... genuine 55,000 miles, immaculated, standard. Sold for top dollar to an unknown buyer. Well done seller, good luck buyer. There's a thread on the forum discussing said car and how it's had back arches and the engine is actually from a 120,000 mile car. Had I bought the car and found that out after, I'd be fuming. We we wrong to discuss the "issues" No, we weren't.

Perhaps in future, sellers won't try and lie about niche cars as rest assured there is somebody out there who knows the truth. Doesn't matter what badge the car wears, or what forum is behind it. If you try and sell §§§§e, enthusiasts will know and that's no bad think.

Hugs x

[Jimmie]

Originally Posted by 960kg;
If anyone was prepared to buy this type of supercar at that price with todays fuel prices they would be finding all out about them before parting with there money, a serious buyer would not be caught out. But there are the buyers that want this type of car whatever even if they know the seller is wrong in it`s advertising. So basically who cares what BHP it produces it is the condition of the motor which is paramount not the fact that it may have the wrong steering wheel or different coloured carpets. Owners of the early V70`s / 850`s they all tart them up as they are too old now, and we buy cheap and customize ourself to keep the marque going and save them being crushed.



The guy that bought my old one didn't know what he was coming to see because he just had an ad to go on and my word.He bought it but did say he had been all over the country being assured by the sellers that everything was good but they were the opposite.It cost him a fortune doing that so if a forum can help a member with facts not fiction so be it.
Oh and my old one is still on the road after a few years

960kg you should join some 4x4 forums and find out how some people are on a keyboard.

[960kg]

Ok, I'll bite...

Hugs x

I never wanted anyone to bite, i just like to talk about these sensitive things and understand peoples views to the hassling of sellers.




The guy that bought my old one didn't know what he was coming to see because he just had an ad to go on and my word.He bought it but did say he had been all over the country being assured by the sellers that everything was good but they were the opposite.It cost him a fortune doing that so if a forum can help a member with facts not fiction so be it.
Oh and my old one is still on the road after a few years

960kg you should join some 4x4 forums and find out how some people are on a keyboard.

I could well imagine what 4 x 4 owners are like when criticized!

As said it is the sending of these very sarcastic messages to sellers which i disagree with. The sellers know what they are doing that is why they lie in there answers. The senders of these messages are just literally showing up this forum and giving it a bad name.
Name & Shame for what, they are only in the same boat as most ,they want money to live and have to take chances in there advertisments.

OK, to come on here and ask what to look for when going after buying motors but surely not to the extent that some on here have done when it is brought to there attention some errors in an advert and that person has nothing to do with the purchase of the motor, the persons involved with that are just merely making themselves look fools to other forum members.

You cannot trust any seller anywhere and don`t kid yourself with buying from a Volvo forum........i bought what i thought as described a Light Beige pull over cover for my `97 V70 and when delivered it was just wrapped in one layer of bubble wrap so of course it had dents on top of the metal long cover, it was also Sand Beige which i didn`t want......do i send it back at my cost because it got dented, do i claim for the damage, i did neither as it simply wasn`t worth it but it was described to me by a fellow Volvo forum member as excellent condition and was light beige.I would of expected proper packing for the price i paid.
I bought my V70 from Norwich from another member,same Volvo forum, It was described as not Concours but almost!!!!.......It will fly through the MOT because it has all new brakes etc. etc. I was so impressed that i went to Norwich and because i was late bought it late evening. It looked ok but i was not overly enthused. But the difference was that i wanted it whatever because of it`s colour and body condition.
When it went for it`s MOT 1 week later it cost me £300 as the front wishbone was shot along with the bolts very loose which hold the strut to the hub unit it was in a very dangerous roadworthy condition which is what was written on the fail of the MOT in big red letters. So imagine what i felt after owning about 40 cars over 46yrs, you would of thought i would of learnt my lesson but one never does and as said i wanted the motor whatever.

I never harassed the bloke i bought it from or even asked for some money back, i actually never got caught out either as i always disbelieve sellers, a couple of my best mates have there own small motor business so i know the what goes on, after all owners only sell cars because there is something wrong with them and need money spending on them, the sooner people realise this the less the disapointment becomes when you find something wrong or worn out.

Turbo dave, i hope you find what you are looking for, but don`t travel a long way for a motor let it come to you, just wait and there will be one just around the next corner.

Keith

[T5frankie]

we look after our own on this forum, although there are a few who dont give a stuff

[960kg]

we look after our own on this forum, although there are a few who dont give a stuff

Hi Frankie, i have noticed this already.

Keith

[T5frankie]

Hi Frankie, i have noticed this already.

Keith

you had a bad day mate? lol

[Jimmie]

If you sell a dog on here it will most certainly bite you later!

[t5_monkey]

To be quite honest i only joined this forum some few weeks back and i joined because i am a member on other sites as well and wanted to be part of an exciting more performance enhanced forum which sadly for me hasn`t come up to my expectations.

The S40 VOC section is really great with a good bunch of owners who know there own levels.

The 850/V70 VOC section are quite reasonable owners with a few £££££e members that think they are better than a lot of others and duly let them know.

So i joined this side hoping all would be a pleasant experience but sadly have now found that it really is the worst for tearing people to shreds for the sake of themselves knowing others will support them.

To be honest i think it stinks and lesser beings on this planet do not treat others as you do on here.

I am a nobody and i know it but here are some that just wallow in there own self righteousness for there own ego.

How you can just pick holes in all peoples adverts all over the place and have to comment on here and have a good old gangbang about them really does give this Forum a very bad taste in the mouth, and not only mine. You do really scrape the barrel for items to talk about and the banter is really so ridiculous subtly arguing to and fro hoping that you have stated your case in a rather quiet manner so it may be accepted.

I think this thread will do lot of harm to this forum and it will only encourage more like it if not stopped. It is just not right to hassle sellers just to prove your better knowledge, if your buying the motor ok, but you not are you, as you already have your own!

So about the contents in topic:

If anyone was prepared to buy this type of supercar at that price with todays fuel prices they would be finding all out about them before parting with there money, a serious buyer would not be caught out. But there are the buyers that want this type of car whatever even if they know the seller is wrong in it`s advertising. So basically who cares what BHP it produces it is the condition of the motor which is paramount not the fact that it may have the wrong steering wheel or different coloured carpets. Owners of the early V70`s / 850`s they all tart them up as they are too old now, and we buy cheap and customize ourself to keep the marque going and save them being crushed.

I don`t know where this list originates from but it can`t be taken as gospel because my `97 V70 T5 has a 16T 240ps with a Bosch M4.4 and the list does not state this.

5 cylinder

B5254T2 TD04L-14T ---/-- Bosch ME7x 8692518
B5244T3 TD04HL-13G ---/-- Bosch ME7x --------
B5234FT TD04HL-15G 150/40 Bosch M4.3 5003910
B5234FT TD04HL-15G 150/40 Bosch M4.3 8601070
B5234FT TD04HL-15G 150/40 Bosch M4.4 8601238
B5234T3 TD04HL-16T 218/60 Bosch ME7 9471655
B5234T3 TD04HL-16T 275/60 Bosch ME7 8601691
B5234T3 TD04HL-16T 275/60 Bosch M4.3 8601691
B5234T4 TD04HL-16T 216/60 Bosch M4.3 1275663
B5234T4 TD04HL-16T 216/60 Bosch M4.3 8601239
B5234T4 TD04HL-16T 216/60 Bosch M4.3 8601226
B5234T4 TD04HL-18T 275/60 Bosch M4.4 9185628
B5234T4 TD04HL-18T 275/60 Bosch M4.4 8601456
B5234T5 TD04HL-15G 150/40 Bosch M4.3 9146785
B5234T8 TD04HL-18T 300/70 Bosch ME7 9454563
B5234T8 TD04HL-18T 300/70 Bosch ME7 8601461
B5244RT TD04HL-19T 300/70 Bosch ME7 9471657
B5244RT TD04HL-19T 300/70 Bosch ME7 8601693
B5254T TD04HL-13G 150/30 Bosch M4.4 8601227
B5254T4 KKK-K24 --- Bosch ME7.1 8602805


It's easy to think people are being negative - but in fact it's just accuracy.

If someone saved you from buying something that wasn't what you thought, I'm sure you would buy them a pint.

Some people can be miserable, some people do get ripped off by BS merchants - personally I'd rather listen to someone who was moany once in a while rather than get stung when buying a car!