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M-R-P
Wednesday 4th April 2012, 22:10
Well, after buying Rotches boost gauge, I thought I'd do a little how-to for those with a P2. It's sort-of complicated but relatively quick.
First I got about 10ft of 2mm push-fit tubing (the swoosh gauge uses a 2mm pipe with an expensive looking tee) Ditched the original tube as it wasn't long enough to reach the inlet manifold.
Open the fusebox on the side of the dash and pull the sponge thing from the bulkhead. Now, with the door open, where there's a rubber sleeve between the door and the car, 4" above, in the car-side, there's a 1" rubber gromet. Remove it and ram a hole in it with a screwdriver and hang on to it. Now poke the tube in the hole in the dash and with a bit of wiggling, it will come out the hole where the gromet was. Now put the tube through the gromet and feed the pipe up, through the gap between the inner and outer wing.
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g413/martinrpeachey/Snapbucket/8DF40727-orig.jpg
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g413/martinrpeachey/Snapbucket/60804184-orig.jpg
From under the bonnet, where the bonnet mechanism connects to the wing, pull the pipe through, making sure the pipe doesn't get fouled by the mechanism.
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g413/martinrpeachey/Snapbucket/D50676F1-orig.jpg
Run the pipe down the front of the car...
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g413/martinrpeachey/Snapbucket/55F68F4A-orig.jpg
And plumb the tee into the vac line from the inlet manifold to the recirc, adding the 2mm tube to it. Restrain the tube, away from heat sources, with cable ties.
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g413/martinrpeachey/Snapbucket/13F627A9-orig.jpg
Then go back to the fuse board and pull fuse No. 13 (12v front outlet), poke the live/light wires in the slot where the fuse goes and reinsert the fuse (this is a temporary measure, just to get it working - gonna find a proper source eventually ;)) then bolt the neutral wire to the dash with the 10mm dash bolt in the fuse board area.
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g413/martinrpeachey/Snapbucket/0FD75C2D-orig.jpg
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g413/martinrpeachey/Snapbucket/DSCF7432.jpg
Then mount the pod (however and wherever you mount it, tuck the pipe and wire into the gap between the A pillar trim and the dash top - the dash top is spongey there and accomodates the pipe and wire nicely.
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g413/martinrpeachey/DSCF7430.jpg
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g413/martinrpeachey/DSCF7429.jpg
So, how does it look? See for yourself...
http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g413/martinrpeachey/DSCF7425.jpg

Thanks again BigRotch, Blacky lives on in many good cars ;)

M-R-P
Thursday 5th April 2012, 12:34
OOPS! wrong section... Mods, can you move it to the how-to section pleeease :D

MattM
Thursday 5th April 2012, 12:40
Looks good!
When I get round to doing mine, I'd like to do it like this - http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthread.php?129950-IPD-R-Boost-Gauge-with-CF-Werks-Door-Pod-Writeup

M-R-P
Thursday 5th April 2012, 12:47
It looks nice but personally, I wouldn't want to take my eyes too far from the road to read it and mounting it there would put it right in your face, especially if you're of the vertically challenged variety (which I'm not) and sit close to the steering wheel. I may end - up putting it in the vent, when I get a spare vent to replace it with.

Pinup_gal
Thursday 5th April 2012, 13:13
Moved for you :)

bigrotch
Thursday 5th April 2012, 13:15
looks good dude now u got to convince the wife when boosting its got to hit 19psi every gear lol

M-R-P
Thursday 5th April 2012, 13:33
Gotta have a tinker with it - she hit 10psi between 3k and 4.5k, which is bang-on stock pressure for these things - not bad after 187k miles :)
I think the actuator may get some attention this weekend...:D
Gotta change vac hoses too, and the oil, and the filter D'oh.

Wobbly Dave
Thursday 5th April 2012, 14:34
Don't wind it on more than 1 turn.

M-R-P
Thursday 5th April 2012, 14:45
Don't wind it on more than 1 turn.

Gonna change the vac hoses before I go tweaking anything. I'm well aware of the dangers and I'm aware that the car is capable of protecting itself, providing I don't do anything stupid :D
I'll go a turn back first and see if the ecu (which I'll be resetting first) compensates by delaying the bcs then start bringing it up gradually until I see something I like on the boost-0-meter.

Wobbly Dave
Thursday 5th April 2012, 14:50
So when are you going to remap it?

stribo
Thursday 5th April 2012, 15:54
Looks good!
When I get round to doing mine, I'd like to do it like this - http://forums.swedespeed.com/showthread.php?129950-IPD-R-Boost-Gauge-with-CF-Werks-Door-Pod-Writeup

Now that looks nice, will have to try and find the parts to do it.

M-R-P
Thursday 5th April 2012, 15:55
So when are you going to remap it?

When I can find 300 quid plus the 130 quid to get to bromsgrove and back lol. My remap fund went back to nil a while back and so far, hasn't moved :( Times is 'ard lol.

MattM
Thursday 5th April 2012, 18:19
Now that looks nice, will have to try and find the parts to do it.

http://carbonfiberwerks.stimuluscreations.com/s60.htm

T4Rick
Thursday 5th April 2012, 19:05
When you said boost o meter i thought you meant some thing else rofl

d2k
Thursday 5th April 2012, 19:19
thankyou sir.......:)


this thread has the exact info i need, ive been planning my boost gauge install for too long mostly b/c i dont really know what im doing, this takes alot of the guesswork out.


here's what i plan..

http://i44.tinypic.com/11kd2q9.jpg

using the same method you did just different mounting...


thanks again, think i'll try it the wk end (my mechanic quoted me £80 to install so might save a few quid)

960kg
Thursday 5th April 2012, 19:27
This is mine cost a fiver, carbon fibre copy.....just need a better guage as this was in the garage knocking about!



http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm230/48kg/007-2-1.jpg

T4Rick
Thursday 5th April 2012, 19:38
This is mine cost a fiver, carbon fibre copy.....just need a better guage as this was in the garage knocking about!



http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm230/48kg/007-2-1.jpg

Now that i do like

M-R-P
Thursday 5th April 2012, 20:30
thankyou sir.......:)


this thread has the exact info i need, ive been planning my boost gauge install for too long mostly b/c i dont really know what im doing, this takes alot of the guesswork out.


here's what i plan..

http://i44.tinypic.com/11kd2q9.jpg

using the same method you did just different mounting...


thanks again, think i'll try it the wk end (my mechanic quoted me £80 to install so might save a few quid)
I've had my center console out a few times so if you need any advice or info, feel free to ask. I could have got you the same type of pipe as I used, its nice and stiff, makes it easier to thread through. The pipe that comes with the gauge may be too short too, you will need nearly 3M to get where you're thinking of putting it. Good luck with that mate, keep us posted ;)

MattM
Friday 6th April 2012, 13:35
This is mine cost a fiver, carbon fibre copy.....just need a better guage as this was in the garage knocking about!



http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm230/48kg/007-2-1.jpg

Where did you get the pod?

960kg
Friday 6th April 2012, 15:28
This is the same but 4.99 dearer, can`t find where mine come from, but this is identical.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SINGLE-1-GAUGE-PILLAR-POD-52mm-BLACK-DIAMOND-R-SIDE-/370489625578?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item5642e70bea

LeeT5
Wednesday 11th April 2012, 20:53
I've had my center console out a few times so if you need any advice or info, feel free to ask. I could have got you the same type of pipe as I used, its nice and stiff, makes it easier to thread through. The pipe that comes with the gauge may be too short too, you will need nearly 3M to get where you're thinking of putting it. Good luck with that mate, keep us posted ;)

Mate that looks nasty!

d2k
Thursday 6th September 2012, 13:22
thankyou sir.......:)


this thread has the exact info i need, ive been planning my boost gauge install for too long mostly b/c i dont really know what im doing, this takes alot of the guesswork out.


here's what i plan..

http://i44.tinypic.com/11kd2q9.jpg

using the same method you did just different mounting...


thanks again, think i'll try it the wk end (my mechanic quoted me £80 to install so might save a few quid)

ok so...... finally after following this threads route, i fitted my gauge today.

route slightly differed over the engine but went in the same way.... took about 2hrs to thread the piping through the grommet into the fusebox but that was the only hinderer.

here's a few pics.. not too happy with the black filler i used on the vent, so ill carbon wrap that hole i think, or get something black to go over it..??

http://i45.tinypic.com/e8jsp1.jpg
http://i50.tinypic.com/24q934j.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/15yw1zk.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/2npth5.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/n18qyu.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/u8tqf.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/295xr1d.jpg

just wiring left now.... all cables have been positioned behind the radio, just need to find out which wires on the radio cluster i need..???

but SUPER happy i finally committed myself to it, the job was seriously daunting for some reason...lol :)



Thanks Martin......

stribo
Thursday 6th September 2012, 17:29
Whereabouts on the inlet manifold do you connect the pipe? Can you not tee into the pipe that goes from the turbo to the TCS?

M-R-P
Thursday 6th September 2012, 18:28
No mate, you need the one that goes from the inlet manifold to the recirc valve.

Looks like a tidy job there Mitch. The cigerette lighter is a good one to splice into for the power supply. Save the risk of annoying the radio.

JUDGENINJA
Thursday 6th September 2012, 18:54
That's a very odd route for the piping... Is there no rubber grommet behind the glovebox or behind the fuse box?

It might be an 850/P1 thing..

M-R-P
Thursday 6th September 2012, 18:57
That's a very odd route for the piping... Is there no rubber grommet behind the glovebox or behind the fuse box?

It might be an 850/P1 thing..

There's a few but they're an absolute pig to get at from inside.

d2k
Saturday 8th September 2012, 09:48
morning all........

need some urgent help with my wiring..... my car is currently in bits, lol

im gonna tap into the lighter as suggested but there's no chassis bolts anywhere in the center console for a ground..

the 2 cables coming off the lighter (purple / black), im guessing purple is live & black is ground / negative...???

can i not just run the gauge pos & neg straight into both of the lighter connections...???


thanks...

M-R-P
Saturday 8th September 2012, 10:02
yes mate, you can ;)

d2k
Saturday 8th September 2012, 10:07
sweeeeeeet....... :smile:

time to cut...

M-R-P
Saturday 8th September 2012, 10:19
Go, Go, Buffalo!

d2k
Saturday 8th September 2012, 11:20
IT WORKS!!!!! :smile:

now i just need a crash course in what it 'should' be doing..

when i start the car it reads 20-22psi vacuum..

when i pull off 2krpm it moves to 15psi vacuum..

when i boot it, it reaches 12-13psi boost (which is pretty good i thought):smile:

though it never sits at 0psi..???

when cruising at 60mph 5th 2.5krpm ... the gauge is reading 10psi in vacuum..???, only when the revs go past 4k does it pass the 0 & move into boost..???

is this right..???

stribo
Saturday 8th September 2012, 13:03
Doesn't sound right mate, boost should start before 2000 rpm, though you will get vacuum at idle.I'd check the pipework doesn't have any leaks.;)

d2k
Saturday 8th September 2012, 13:21
thanks stribo.......

looking closer at the gauge im only actually getting 11psi i think, im gonna wait till it gets dark & throw up a vid....:smile:

Jamest5r
Saturday 8th September 2012, 14:08
Sounds about right to me, vacuum on idle is spot on and yes it will be in vacuum when crusing I'm guessing yours is not mapped as the boost comes in late but all looks good.

cherry1809
Saturday 8th September 2012, 16:07
No, it should come out of vacuum and at least stay at 0 until boost reaches a positive pressure. If your just pootling around off boost it shouldn't hardly move off 0. If it does, I'd say your gauge is poo.

d2k
Saturday 8th September 2012, 16:14
No, it should come out of vacuum and at least stay at 0 until boost reaches a positive pressure. If your just pootling around off boost it shouldn't hardly move off 0. If it does, I'd say your gauge is poo.

lol.... well we know the gauge is poo :redface:, so i should be seeing 0psi while cruising with no boost...??

from what ive read, a decent vacuum shows a healthy engine..??

Jamest5r
Saturday 8th September 2012, 16:46
No, it should come out of vacuum and at least stay at 0 until boost reaches a positive pressure. If your just pootling around off boost it shouldn't hardly move off 0. If it does, I'd say your gauge is poo.

Mine only goes to "0" if i squeeze the load pedal a bit to create positive vacuum, normal driving it stays negative and thats with a AEM digital gauge and it definatly not poo lol :)

M-R-P
Saturday 8th September 2012, 18:41
right, hold on... I'lk go get a vid of mine which has been calibrated...

M-R-P
Saturday 8th September 2012, 19:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9HyhxNz4_I

The rettling noise is the camera bouncing off the A-piller - aoplogies :D

d2k
Saturday 8th September 2012, 19:42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9HyhxNz4_I

The rettling noise is the camera bouncing off the A-piller - aoplogies :D

well..... my gauge is working EXACTLY how it should be going by this video (cheers martin)....:smile:

as my vid will now show, its pretty similar to martins.... gauge stays well in the vacuum most of the time.

View My Video (http://tinypic.com/r/35n1qwl/6)

please excuse my talking, please mute it if im annoying..lol ... my daughter had to change gear while i held the phone so its a little shakey..

M-R-P
Saturday 8th September 2012, 20:06
Looks very snazzy lol!

The reaction times are a bit slow for an LED unit - may be cured by a shorter vac hose, mounted closer to the engine.

cherry1809
Saturday 8th September 2012, 20:32
Maybe your both not as heavy footed as me then, lol.

d2k
Saturday 8th September 2012, 20:33
yeah... i think its due to the diameter of the vac hose being a little too large (& too long), i had to buy one long enough & the only place at the precise moment that had it was B&Q... & it was for a pond..lol

still it does what i need it to & if the results i get stay consistent i can certainly use it to monitor boost changes from the coming ECU map & actuator arm adjustments.... so im a happy bunny!! :smile:

Ettienne
Friday 26th September 2014, 14:05
Pretty much the same way did mine, I've left the loom tied up awaiting a suitable electrical source.

I made a small hole in the top of the dash for the boost pipe as it's silicon and squashed flat trying to run it up the side, but it's nice and neat.

Where did you find electrical source from?

stribo
Friday 26th September 2014, 14:17
I wouldn't have done it like that. :D

M-R-P
Friday 26th September 2014, 14:46
Where did you find electrical source from?

Well, you see the pic of where I bodged it into the fuse board...


It still looks like that :)

Ettienne
Friday 26th September 2014, 15:36
I was gonna do similar

volvokid
Friday 26th September 2014, 15:46
Why don't you go into the fag lighter?

M-R-P
Friday 26th September 2014, 15:52
Why don't you go into the fag lighter?

That's the fuse for the fag lighter.

volvokid
Friday 26th September 2014, 15:55
Ah I didn't look at the photo. I just ran it and spliced it into the back of it.

M-R-P
Friday 26th September 2014, 16:11
Ah I didn't look at the photo. I just ran it and spliced it into the back of it.

too much agro :)

claymore
Friday 26th September 2014, 16:21
I think a 4 year old could have done tidier wiring than that, if you're going to post up a 'how to' at least you could do a proper job.

Ettienne
Friday 26th September 2014, 17:11
I think a 4 year old could have done tidier wiring than that, if you're going to post up a 'how to' at least you could do a proper job.

Forum bullying is happening, I shall report you lol.

You know how he hates ex plod critism.

Poor old Martin will be sitting in the corner rocking, under a blanket in the dark.

Right I'm off to bleed my brakes!

volvokid
Friday 26th September 2014, 17:31
Haha I can only imagen the comments if James had done such a bodge :p

M-R-P
Friday 26th September 2014, 17:31
I think a 4 year old could have done tidier wiring than that, if you're going to post up a 'how to' at least you could do a proper job.

You'll notice I mentioned that I'd tidy it up later....

Ok, so I didn't but the intention was there :D

JamesT5
Friday 26th September 2014, 20:13
Haha I can only imagen the comments if James had done such a bodge :p

Oh, you can bet there'd be 50 pages of harsh comments in bold writing and in lots of pretty colours, plus numerous 'edits' by the forum management.

But it's ok, someone else has gone down the 'non-standard' route, so that's ok because they know what they're doing.........