Reversed intercooler pipework

[T5Tom]

Hi everyone, could anyone tell me the advantage it has over the standard set up? And is it worth doing?

Also what would you need to do it?
Cheers :)

[bigrotch]

hi mate alot mre responsive spools up better would never go back to standad

[p fandango]

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3217/airflowo.jpg

[T5Tom]

Cheers bud, could do with that I got quite abort of lag at the moment, decatting at the weekend too! Can you remember what samcos you had to buy? :)

[p fandango]

Cheers bud, could do with that I got quite abort of lag at the moment, decatting at the weekend too! Can you remember what samcos you had to buy? :)
i just made everything up using universal silicone joints off fleabay & aluminium tube, i can't remember the port sizes but here's a breakdown of the pipes

turbo to intercooler
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy196/pedro-fandango/Volvo/mine/BT/info/RIP4.jpg

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy196/pedro-fandango/Volvo/mine/BT/info/RIP3.jpg

intercooler to throttle body, this pipe needs a 19mm outlet adding for the idle control valve
http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy196/pedro-fandango/Volvo/mine/BT/info/RIP2.jpg

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy196/pedro-fandango/Volvo/mine/BT/info/RIP1.jpg

[T5Tom]

Thats a massive help cheers mate! How did you manage to get a 19mm out of the elbow for the idle control valve?

[Dan850r]

Revotec do one, search for self sealing takeoff on google or you could weld one onto the metal pipe

[Dan850r]

http://www.merlinmotorsport.co.uk/SAMCO-HOSE-&-KITS-Self-Sealing-Take-Off's/c16_2661/index.html

[T5Tom]

Pricey aren't they, but made for the job I suppose! Have the pipes on the pictures been bonded instead of clamped? Also I noticed there was no dump valve on the pipework, is the stock recirc valve still used instead of a dump valve as its pretty much the same thing?

Thanks again lads, 21 questions I know but I'm new to volvos :) much appreciated!

[p fandango]

Pricey aren't they, but made for the job I suppose! Have the pipes on the pictures been bonded instead of clamped? Also I noticed there was no dump valve on the pipework, is the stock recirc valve still used instead of a dump valve as its pretty much the same thing?

Thanks again lads, 21 questions I know but I'm new to volvos :) much appreciated!
i use jubilee clips on the pipes, just hadn't put them on for the above pics. I'm not running either a dump valve or recirc valve

for the idle control i used a 19mm barb fitting for air guns/equipment & had that welded in, £9 from Pirtek.

http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/9374/intake3.jpg

[Kingsford G]

Something i`m up to aswell.

[T5Tom]

Cheers bud, on the pipe from turbo to i/c you have a large T-off section, what have you used that for? I've just had a quick look and nothing is attatched to the pipe in this section?

[p fandango]

Cheers bud, on the pipe from turbo to i/c you have a large T-off section, what have you used that for? I've just had a quick look and nothing is attatched to the pipe in this section?
ah sorry for the confusion, the top pipe in the last pic is my turbo inlet pipe. I removed the sensor from its original housing & put it directly into the pipe, the T is the mounting collar

http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1025/dscf0466ua.jpg

[T5Tom]

I thought it looked slightly different lol, so that's for you MAF sensor I presume? I like how you've done that! Have you put the filter round the front and relocated the battery then?

[p fandango]

I thought it looked slightly different lol, so that's for you MAF sensor I presume? I like how you've done that! Have you put the filter round the front and relocated the battery then?
yeh thats the MAF. Battery is in the boot but i've not bothered with a filter, the pipe goes straight onto a vent in the wing

http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/1023/10224122079911602611103.jpg

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1715/dscf0483v.jpg

[endo-t5]

What size is the bottom pipe on the intercooler as I have done a rip conversion but want to change the bottom hose to black silicone as done all the others bar that one.

[jayeastanglia]

thats so clear in my head now on making up my own rip kit as thats my next thing to do after my house move

[T5Tom]

thats so clear in my head now on making up my own rip kit as thats my next thing to do after my house move

Agreed! You've been a great help thanks lads!

[Volvostorm]

They aren't to bad to make up, just done all mine

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/paulxr4x4/39f84074.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/paulxr4x4/1122de4a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/paulxr4x4/b164f10e.jpg

[zoidberg]

Can someone explain to me why sending the air flow 'bottom to top' is better than sending it 'top to bottom' ????

[p fandango]

Can someone explain to me why sending the air flow 'bottom to top' is better than sending it 'top to bottom' ????
its not the direction thru the intercooler that helps, its the shorter & straighter pipework doing it

[glock19]

All RIPs shown are top to bottom (intercooler side). Apart from the shorter piping, the physics of heat is that cool air drops and hot air rises, so if outlet of intercooler is from the bottom, you'll get slightly cooler air.

As per urban legends in cold climate (like in the Swedes), the RIP was revised to the newer S-band to allow the car to warm up faster or maybe it's to cap the power down to reduce wheelspin (latter part is my version though) :D

[p fandango]

As per urban legends in cold climate (like in the Swedes), the RIP was revised to the newer S-band to allow the car to warm up faster or maybe it's to cap the power down to reduce wheelspin (latter part is my version though) :D
the throttle butterfly used to freeze & jam

[smithson007]

Anyone used any of this stuff before for a RIP kit? http://www.apmotorstore.co.uk/

[p fandango]

Anyone used any of this stuff before for a RIP kit? http://www.apmotorstore.co.uk/
quite alot of my stuff has come from AP, bought thru ebay tho. Never had any problems with anything from them

[smithson007]

quite alot of my stuff has come from AP, bought thru ebay tho. Never had any problems with anything from them

The quality looks good. Might give them a try.

On a 3" TB do i need 76mm silicone pipe work? What diameter do i need to reduce to, to go to a) Intercooler b) The turbo?

[p fandango]

On a 3" TB do i need 76mm silicone pipe work? What diameter do i need to reduce to, to go to a) Intercooler b) The turbo?
you don't need to use 76mm, but i decided to keep to the biggest diameter port in the system. You can reduce it down to whatever pipe size you want. Can't remember the port sizes, sorry

[smithson007]

you don't need to use 76mm, but i decided to keep to the biggest diameter port in the system. You can reduce it down to whatever pipe size you want. Can't remember the port sizes, sorry

Hey no worries mate. Is there any advantage to keeping to a larger diameter pipe or is there no real point if im not changing the intercooler?

[p fandango]

Hey no worries mate. Is there any advantage to keeping to a larger diameter pipe or is there no real point if im not changing the intercooler?
i'm still using the stock intercooler as well. TBH some people say the larger diameter will take more air to fill before it gets to the turbo causing lag, which does make sense but its not what i've experienced. I had the Volvo RIP before, changed to the 3" RIP & 960 TB & the amount of lag it removed from the 19t was unbelievable. How much is down to the RIP & how much the TB i don't know. Got someone hopefully doing a back-to-back test soon (only using the butt-dyno tho lol)

[smithson007]

i'm still using the stock intercooler as well. TBH some people say the larger diameter will take more air to fill before it gets to the turbo causing lag, which does make sense but its not what i've experienced. I had the Volvo RIP before, changed to the 3" RIP & 960 TB & the amount of lag it removed from the 19t was unbelievable. How much is down to the RIP & how much the TB i don't know. Got someone hopefully doing a back-to-back test soon (only using the butt-dyno tho lol)

Think i might go for the full 3" RIP at least then there's more potential for any future mod's like if i decide to change to a larger intercooler.
Thats one thing i have noticed about the 19T it can be quite laggy sometimes.
Prob going to do my RIP at the same time as i fit my 3"TB so prob be in the same boat as you not knowing which makes the biggest difference.

[T5frankie]

Think i might go for the full 3" RIP at least then there's more potential for any future mod's like if i decide to change to a larger intercooler.
Thats one thing i have noticed about the 19T it can be quite laggy sometimes.
Prob going to do my RIP at the same time as i fit my 3"TB so prob be in the same boat as you not knowing which makes the biggest difference.

its all ££££££££ mate my 19t is still laggy with my rip kit lol

[p fandango]

Thats one thing i have noticed about the 19T it can be quite laggy sometimes.
Prob going to do my RIP at the same time as i fit my 3"TB so prob be in the same boat as you not knowing which makes the biggest difference.
i nearly swopped back to the 15g because of the lag, i still say it spools quicker than with the 19t on now than the 15g did

[T5frankie]

i think your 19t is a 15g lol

[p fandango]

its all ££££££££ mate my 19t is still laggy with my rip kit lol
have you got the 3" tb? Your doing something wrong lol

[T5frankie]

have you got the 3" tb? Your doing something wrong lol

yeah at smithy's lol

[p fandango]

i think your 19t is a 15g lol
lol brand new complete with Volvo ID plate mate. There was a noticable difference between them, the 19t used to give enough power for overtaking but the power used to keep building & building till the rev limit. Just no kick in the back with it


yeah at smithy's lol
might be that that's making all the difference then

[T5frankie]

i raced pamdam at santa pod 3 times and the 19t powered away from his 15g from half way

[smithson007]

i raced pamdam at santa pod 3 times and the 19t powered away from his 15g from half way

Whats the biggest advantage to the 19T that we are running over the 18T they had from standard?

[T5frankie]

Whats the biggest advantage to the 19T that we are running over the 18T they had from standard?

err more power mate lol

[smithson007]

err more power mate lol

My old S70R was standard apart from a Rica re-map and it would have left my V70R miles behind. It seemed to have so much more kick than what ive got now.

[T5frankie]

My old S70R was standard apart from a Rica re-map and it would have left my V70R miles behind. It seemed to have so much more kick than what ive got now.

my s70r was pretty rapid too it felt like it had different gearing

[smithson007]

my s70r was pretty rapid too it felt like it had different gearing

Wonder if there is any difference between S/V70R. Myne would kick ya back in ya seat but the V70 doesnt have the same kick. Its maybe just more progresssive power rather than just all in one lump.

[T5frankie]

Wonder if there is any difference between S/V70R. Myne would kick ya back in ya seat but the V70 doesnt have the same kick. Its maybe just more progresssive power rather than just all in one lump.

mine is rapid mate, so yours may have a problem, the dyno will tell all

[Niles]

After switching from a 16t to a 19t I can say that the car 100% boosts differently. The boost from the 19T now kicks in a little later. However, it spools nicely and delivers boost 'linear' style. The car now REALLY grips and go's, not the flash but pointless 'spin the wheels up'. Its lost its mad aggressive 'punch' but gained a sensible powerful torquey grip and go.
My best guess (coz im busy keeping it in a straight line while looking)...
800 rpm...idle
1500rmp, turbo starts to move.....
2000rpm turbo is pushing but only 3 or 4 psi.
3000rpm turbo pushes a little more 5-6?,
4000rpm, were really starting to move, appx 8-9psi from the 19.
5000rpm...all living hell brakes loose and the boost climbs to 1.2 bar and the car go's ballistic.
Pulls like a scalded cat of a polished shovel up to 6750rpm...boost holding and pushing HARD!!

16T was.....not much below 2500rpm...then wallop!!! Loads of boost and seemed to just simply boost well but 'peter' out when the revs climbed. Spin the wheels, loose traction (meanwhile Peter Petrolhead in his saxo 16V has left me but gets stamped on 150mtrs down the road).

[smithson007]

mine is rapid mate, so yours may have a problem, the dyno will tell all

Yes there's something still not right with it. Its quick but not as quick as id like it. Looking at that video you took of your's recently myne aint as quick as that.

[smithson007]

After switching from a 16t to a 19t I can say that the car 100% boosts differently. The boost from the 19T now kicks in a little later. However, it spools nicely and delivers boost 'linear' style. The car now REALLY grips and go's, not the flash but pointless 'spin the wheels up'. Its lost its mad aggressive 'punch' but gained a sensible powerful torquey grip and go.
My best guess (coz im busy keeping it in a straight line while looking)...
800 rpm...idle
1500rmp, turbo starts to move.....
2000rpm turbo is pushing but only 3 or 4 psi.
3000rpm turbo pushes a little more 5-6?,
4000rpm, were really starting to move, appx 8-9psi from the 19.
5000rpm...all living hell brakes loose and the boost climbs to 1.2 bar and the car go's ballistic.
Pulls like a scalded cat of a polished shovel up to 6750rpm...boost holding and pushing HARD!!

16T was.....not much below 2500rpm...then wallop!!! Loads of boost and seemed to just simply boost well but 'peter' out when the revs climbed. Spin the wheels, loose traction (meanwhile Peter Petrolhead in his saxo 16V has left me but gets stamped on 150mtrs down the road).

This sounds like the difference between my old S70R and my current V70R.

I still cant get my car to idle at 800rpm though. Its always around 900 to 1000rpm.

[T5frankie]

After switching from a 16t to a 19t I can say that the car 100% boosts differently. The boost from the 19T now kicks in a little later. However, it spools nicely and delivers boost 'linear' style. The car now REALLY grips and go's, not the flash but pointless 'spin the wheels up'. Its lost its mad aggressive 'punch' but gained a sensible powerful torquey grip and go.
My best guess (coz im busy keeping it in a straight line while looking)...
800 rpm...idle
1500rmp, turbo starts to move.....
2000rpm turbo is pushing but only 3 or 4 psi.
3000rpm turbo pushes a little more 5-6?,
4000rpm, were really starting to move, appx 8-9psi from the 19.
5000rpm...all living hell brakes loose and the boost climbs to 1.2 bar and the car go's ballistic.
Pulls like a scalded cat of a polished shovel up to 6750rpm...boost holding and pushing HARD!!

16T was.....not much below 2500rpm...then wallop!!! Loads of boost and seemed to just simply boost well but 'peter' out when the revs climbed. Spin the wheels, loose traction (meanwhile Peter Petrolhead in his saxo 16V has left me but gets stamped on 150mtrs down the road).

really mine boosts to 20 psi at 3000 rpms lol

[LiamT4]

Yes there's something still not right with it. Its quick but not as quick as id like it. Looking at that video you took of your's recently myne aint as quick as that.

But frankies had a fair bit more done to his car.

[Kingsford G]

Wonder if there is any difference between S/V70R. Myne would kick ya back in ya seat but the V70 doesnt have the same kick. Its maybe just more progresssive power rather than just all in one lump.

I believe an auto have 16t and manual 18t turbos saying that jim70r`s an auto but 12bhp more than mine manual.Should be something messing around a bit on yrs.

[T5frankie]

maybe you're just used to the power now as we all get and it feels slower but isnt, do a 60-100mph test on camera phone accelerating hard from 50-110

[Niles]

the map on mine is what is keeping the boost down at certain revs to try to ensure no silly boost levels down low and end up in bent rod city. And, as I said, it keeps the traction. Hence, off it go's and puts the power to the road where you need up and not sending all the power into the air via tyre smoke.

[T5frankie]

the map on mine is what is keeping the boost down at certain revs to try to ensure no silly boost levels down low and end up in bent rod city. And, as I said, it keeps the traction. Hence, off it go's and puts the power to the road where you need up and not sending all the power into the air via tyre smoke.

was gonna take the mbc off mine and just run it with the map but my bcs has vanished lol

[bigrotch]

was gonna take the mbc off mine and just run it with the map but my bcs has vanished lol

Thats what I would of said lol

[smithson007]

was gonna take the mbc off mine and just run it with the map but my bcs has vanished lol

Myne went better when i ran it using the BCS but it starting playing up so put the MBC on. Do you not still have your BCS plugged in to stop the light coming on?

[T5frankie]

Myne went better when i ran it using the BCS but it starting playing up so put the MBC on. Do you not still have your BCS plugged in to stop the light coming on?

what light? you do realise you spell mine with an i not a y dont you andy? lol just you do it all the time, (i have a bad spelling hang up lol)

[smithson007]

what light? you do realise you spell mine with an i not a y dont you andy? lol just you do it all the time, (i have a bad spelling hang up lol)

Do you know something mate you do spell it with an i and not a y id never even noticed i was doing it. Lol

Ive left my BCS plugged in because everyone said that if you dont have it plugged in the engine management light would come on.

[T5frankie]

Do you know something mate you do spell it with an i and not a y id never even noticed i was doing it. Lol

Ive left my BCS plugged in because everyone said that if you dont have it plugged in the engine management light would come on.

well my light isnt on , but cant see my bcs anywhere and its me that fitted the mbc, hmmmmmmmmm?

[smithson007]

well my light isnt on , but cant see my bcs anywhere and its me that fitted the mbc, hmmmmmmmmm?

Somebody has been under the bonet and stolen it. Lol.

[T5frankie]

Somebody has been under the bonet and stolen it. Lol.

barstard bcs thiefs again lol

[smithson007]

barstard bcs thiefs again lol

Yes you've got to watch out for them. They get themselves about thats why ive got "mIne" cable tied down. Lol.