850R i want 350 bhp plus+ feedback please, your ideas

[dalhousie2008]

Hi all as you now my stricken 850r is in the garage forlorn, i should be breathing some life in to her all being well this week.

Any how i want so high bhp figures, please add your thoughts to what needed so i can start getting bits together.

Nothing too difficult i would like not too much modification i.e in turbo department, but changing rods etc is.

[Jamest5r]

For 350 bhp you will need rods and a bigger turbo mate at least, if you want it to be reliable lots more little bits...fmic,new pipe work, etc, ive probably spent about 3k to get a reliable 350whp(when its run in lol)

[Flatout Phil]

A lot of wonga. Get my setup (see below) and you will be extremely happy, quids in and in real world usage, have a really fast but very relaible Volvo. Unless you are a real nutter, in which case, prepare to spend!

[dalhousie2008]

yeah im doing what on here seems a reasonable tune to my every day car, but wanted a not to fiddly a build but unleashing a lot of power, i have a 50k engine sitting here so dont mind changing rods and getting head work done. Then bolting on a bigger turbo, kkk24 is it that people use or holset?

[Mongo]

Type in the vpc search bar.
Tuning read
Its a post i found

[dalhousie2008]

Phil have a look at my 854 build thread on 850 section, as i think i have pretty much done that this month on my 854 t5. well some bits im waiting on and some to be fitted.

[mitchyboy01]

For big power, you start off thinking of a certain budget, but then you find loads of small bits you didn't consider and all these bits add up! With the turbo on the t5 your main limitation is space. Also, If you go for a non TD04 turbo, budget for a custom downpipe. you will be looking at getting an alloy cooler too. Looks like You've already sorted the 850r clutch though so that's a big tick off the list. Obviously fitting the rods isn't the cheapest either as you will prob want new rings and gaskets, belt, tensioner, water pump etc. will be worth it when it puts down 350 on the rollers though =]

[Al115]

350 is a lot more than pretty much anyone here has. It'll be on the borderline of every-day-driveable in my opinion, given fuel etc. Whereas 300 is fairly attainable. Just a thought.

I started taking driving lessons again (road and track) once I had "enough" power, it makes you an awful lot quicker in the real world.

[Volvostorm]

You seen my build?

I haven't even worked out how much it has cost me!

[LiamT4]

For 350 bhp you will need rods and a bigger turbo mate at least, if you want it to be reliable lots more little bits...fmic,new pipe work, etc, ive probably spent about 3k to get a reliable 350whp(when its run in lol)

Is that what its pushing out then, 350whp? Or is that what your aiming for?

[Wobbly Dave]

TBH if you want 350bhp then it will be easier & quicker to sell the 850 & just buy the S60 2.4 T5. The remap alone will make it go to 320 BHP. then you can add a few supporting mods e.g. larger FMIC & injectors, cat back & exhaust - custom map it - et voila - 350 bhp.

Just a thought.

[M-R-P]

TBH if you want 350bhp then it will be easier & quicker to sell the 850 & just buy the S60 2.4 T5. The remap alone will make it go to 320 BHP. then you can add a few supporting mods e.g. larger FMIC & injectors, cat back & exhaust - custom map it - et voila - 350 bhp.

Just a thought.

Bloody good point there Dave, pound for pound you'd be better off with the S60 and you'd have a newer car to boot ;)

[merc85]

TBH if you want 350bhp then it will be easier & quicker to sell the 850 & just buy the S60 2.4 T5. The remap alone will make it go to 320 BHP. then you can add a few supporting mods e.g. larger FMIC & injectors, cat back & exhaust - custom map it - et voila - 350 bhp.

Just a thought.

Totally agree, But not as much fun doing tho, Or having the experiance of such a build.

[Al115]

As someone who spent just shy of £9k on a T4 - after years of tuning T5s - I'd advise to be realistic not idealistic with the car, unless you just won the lottery.

It's fun and a great experience, and I learnt loads. But the car wasn't what I ultimately wanted to drive.

You can probably get 350bhp, but I bet you'll hate it for road driving. Just my view.

[T5frankie]

you can get 380 bhp from a 19t mate and forged engine

[merc85]

But you have had the experiance, and gained knowledge in doing so.

It's somthing you done yourself.

One life live it, no regrets, I've spent to much on mine lol id never get it back, but i dont care one Bit.

Ive made it my own, and proud of it, If i was worried about the money i'd had stopped ages ago, and brought a Car which done the job to start with.

But yes you can get carried away

[Al115]

That's just it :)

[mitchyboy01]

But you have had the experiance, and gained knowledge in doing so.

It's somthing you done yourself.

One life live it, no regrets, I've spent to much on mine lol id never get it back, but i dont care one Bit.

Ive made it my own, and proud of it, If i was worried about the money i'd had stopped ages ago, and brought a Car which done the job to start with.

But yes you can get carried away

That's just it mate, it's a hobby and a challenge for us enthusiasts. We all know our cars inside out. I could've just bought a Subaru, and put on a few bolt on goodies and had a great car, but where is the challenge in that. I was talking to a guy earlier with a highly modded Golf, I was surprised at how little he knew about it and car tuning in general. Sounded like he just handed over a huge wad of cash to jabbasport and let them sort it for him. Most Porsche drivers prob don't know the basics of how an engine works and just hand over vast sums of cash to go fast. That's why it's so satisfying when we hammer past in a 15 year old Volvo that we can maintain ourselves!

[merc85]

Run out of thanks lol

[dalhousie2008]

Thanks for the feedback mitch, the 850r clutch is in my daily car and 850r is a separate thing, I do however have a nice 50k engine and box I'll tune then fit in the 850r as it has a pretty good chassis already sorted.

[mitchyboy01]

Thanks for the feedback mitch, the 850r clutch is in my daily car and 850r is a separate thing, I do however have a nice 50k engine and box I'll tune then fit in the 850r as it has a pretty good chassis already sorted.

Lol sorry mate, I'm getting confused between your two threads! Doh. We are going to have some beastly volvox popping up on here in the next year or so. Can't wait to see the results!

[dalhousie2008]

Yeah the saloon, will be say ish 300 with 19t etc fingers crossed, still going that far is value for money. A safe 4 saloon with what shall we say 6 to 60 and 160 top end, not too bad for what 1500 ish. Bargain and something you don't see every day.

It's not a money thing, it's having something different and I like the under stated ness, plus it's bloody comfy, but I might try and get an merc evo 190e soon cash willing or should I say wife lol

[mitchyboy01]

I love the sleeper factor too mate, and the value for money. They are generally very well built, even my Charisma erm I mean S40, isn't too bad. My mates have evos, cupras etc, and although they are capable and quick, I find them dull and boring. I've never wanted a modern car, hence me always tinkering about! I've had R5's, RS Turbos etc which were fun but the volvos have the added comfort, sleeper factor, practicality and cheap insurance which is a winner for me. =]

[dalhousie2008]

Maybe get a pimp daddy m5 next lol, but my next car would have to be rare rs2 or s2 Audi, evo 190e merc, old m3 or intergrale

[mitchyboy01]

Maybe get a pimp daddy m5 next lol, but my next car would have to be rare rs2 or s2 Audi, evo 190e merc, old m3 or intergrale

E39 M5s are yummy and very affordable ATM. 400bhp!! 15mpg though lol old E36 M3s are awesome cars too, I had a 328i and it handled awesome. It lacked the power though. An M3 is tempting but I'm sure I'd end up wanting the turbo torque again

[dalhousie2008]

Things go down in price then go up, I had a few gordinis, wish I still did, what years were the 2.4,s t5 made from and too?

[T5frankie]

Things go down in price then go up, I had a few gordinis, wish I still did, what years were the 2.4,s t5 made from and too?

late 04-07

[t5_monkey]

As someone who spent just shy of £9k on a T4 - after years of tuning T5s - I'd advise to be realistic not idealistic with the car, unless you just won the lottery.

It's fun and a great experience, and I learnt loads. But the car wasn't what I ultimately wanted to drive.

You can probably get 350bhp, but I bet you'll hate it for road driving. Just my view.

Having a FWD road car with over 350bhp is kinda like having a Nympho girlfriend.

Great in theory, after a month of daily use you'll be sick of it!

[Wobbly Dave]

depends on the torque curve. to make 350bhp you will need to produce 475NM at 5252 RPM

to make that 350 bhp earlier you will need more torque.

To make it after 5252 then you can make less.

Make it too much torque early on will make it very difficult to keep the wheels from spinning - potentially producing an undriveable monster.

Making it later will mean that you will be doing some speed - as it is unlikely that you can make full torque in lower gears.

[volvo]

Is this a daily driver your wanting to mod up to 350+ brake then? I think that kind of power can be managed to be more of a regular used car (not sure about daily driver) if it is mapped properly.....

[smithy]

depends on the torque curve.

are we talking about the numpho girlfriend lol

[t5_monkey]

That's true....

Mines perfectly drive-able with about 330 lb-ft of torque.

However... torque drops off at about 4000rpm up... so I guess it would just keep coming with a big turbo and I'd be running 330bhp at 5200 rpm and 412 at 6500!

Nosh is running 350bhp and 380lb-ft so his must drop off before 5.2k revs too.

[Wobbly Dave]

Aye!

[t5_monkey]

Aye!

And I'd love a nympho GF so ignore me I don't know WTF I'm talkin about!

[GregE102]

Having a FWD road car with over 350bhp is kinda like having a Nympho girlfriend.

Great in theory, after a month of daily use you'll be sick of it!

Monkey there is something seriously wrong with you?:doctor:

You will never make a life coach telling some one that will you lol :nono:

1. Man Up and get in there!
2. If your not up to the task get some viagra
3. If its that bad then think of it as a work out, if you know of a better exercise please tell me lol
4. If your a real petrol head have sex whilst driving, But don't crash! lol

Sorry could not resist!! you left that one wide open lol

Cheers Greg

[t5_monkey]

Monkey there is something seriously wrong with you?:doctor:

You will never make a life coach telling some one that will you lol :nono:

1. Man Up and get in there!
2. If your not up to the task get some viagra
3. If its that bad then think of it as a work out, if you know of a better exercise please tell me lol
4. If your a real petrol head have sex whilst driving, But don't crash! lol

Sorry could not resist!! you left that one wide open lol

Cheers Greg

LMFAO :) I did come to my senses in a later post!

As Al said... the difference between 300 and 350 won't be all that, I'm always amazed how little difference extra power makes at UK road speeds.

You really need the autobahn to leave someone who has over 200bhp otherwise they'll always catch you up fairly quick.

[GregE102]

LMFAO :) I did come to my senses in a later post!

As Al said... the difference between 300 and 350 won't be all that, I'm always amazed how little difference extra power makes at UK road speeds.

You really need the autobahn to leave someone who has over 200bhp otherwise they'll always catch you up fairly quick.

I have a supposed 320 Bhp and, to be honest to want any more power on the road is Crazy! Yes it is fun but with FWD it gets a bit much when you want drive normally!

Emlyn will tell you My car is quite quick, but to want more than that on the road IMO is to much.

Since my last RR I have had a Milltek fitted and even had the map altered a bit now as well, so the boost dose not come on full 1.3 till 2500 rpm which makes the car easier to drive As before with my other Map & suspension on it was a real handful and that is with a Gripper Diff as well!

You really need to drive a car with that power so you know what your getting!

[MIKESC70T5]

I have a supposed 320 Bhp and, to be honest to want any more power on the road is Crazy! Yes it is fun but with FWD it gets a bit much when you want drive normally!

Emlyn will tell you My car is quite quick, but to want more than that on the road IMO is to much.




Hi Greg hows it going. Are my Porsche brakes still working okay lol. We all know rwd is the way forward :duck:. 321bhp out of the box and going to the correct wheels :duck:

[t5_monkey]

Hi Greg hows it going. Are my Porsche brakes still working okay lol. We all know rwd is the way forward :duck:. 321bhp out of the box and going to the correct wheels :duck:

I hear there are many other forums where your views are shared :)

[M-R-P]

I hear there are many other forums where your views are shared :)

Haha, funny Monkey, He had a Volvo once, it's like an affair, he'll realise what side his bread is really buttered on after a while and come crawling back to a V70, begging forgiveness lol ;)

[t5_monkey]

Haha, funny Monkey, He had a Volvo once, it's like an affair, he'll realise what side his bread is really buttered on after a while and come crawling back to a V70, begging forgiveness lol ;)

Now he drives an Audi AND a BMW...... :)

He has a point about RWD... but that just annoys me more! Since scotland is always cold and wet, FWD has more of a case here.

[GregE102]

Hi Greg hows it going. Are my Porsche brakes still working okay lol. We all know rwd is the way forward :duck:. 321bhp out of the box and going to the correct wheels :duck:


Hello Mike!!!

Yes thanks mate the Porker set is still going strong! and i have a Porker set up on the back now as well with 330mm:D

Cheers Greg

[Wobbly Dave]

Question is how much can you put through FWD Volvo & still retain some semblence of driveability & reliability ?

Sooner or later you will have to look at either putting it to the back or using more wheels to drive it.

[merc85]

Hi Greg hows it going. Are my Porsche brakes still working okay lol. We all know rwd is the way forward :duck:. 321bhp out of the box and going to the correct wheels :duck:

I do like the Colour, But never been impressed with a Bmw yet.

Rear subframe bushes, Head gasket's and viscous couplings.

They do make a Good noise tho. To very different cars, But i need a 7 seater which can also carry anything you wanna put in it.

Dont get me wrong you had a Volvo so you know where i'm coming from, next step if i ever do go to the dark side, it will be a AMG Merc estate 2006 on of course now they have got ridd of chrysler.lol

Nice beemer she looks very pritty and i'm sure moves well

[dalhousie2008]

What's the deal with t5d5, do they hate vpcuk? I put a post up, basically saying I was after some parts In the parts wanted section, got loads of grieve and had it kicked off lol

So just posted in the new members section, that i only use vpcuk and I'm after parts lol. What do you lot reckon? 5 mins before its kicked off

[t5_monkey]

What's the deal with t5d5, do they hate vpcuk? I put a post up, basically saying I was after some parts In the parts wanted section, got loads of grieve and had it kicked off lol

So just posted in the new members section, that i only use vpcuk and I'm after parts lol. What do you lot reckon? 5 mins before its kicked off

D5T5 percieve VPC users like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scNLfr1EP08

(that's not me in the video although I am actually pretty much like that in real life)

I started off on T5D5 forum... but basically, it was dull with hardly any users.. so I came over here. There are some very knowledgeable users on there who really know their tuning stuff.

[dalhousie2008]

My friend was from Scotland took me a while to decipher hi. Some times, he came from the gorbles or something a big ten ament buildings, I can't really remember. I gather that part of Scotland wasn't too nice, mind I got married there 2 years ago in a castle

[t5_monkey]

My friend was from Scotland took me a while to decipher hi. Some times, he came from the gorbles or something a big ten ament buildings, I can't really remember. I gather that part of Scotland wasn't too nice, mind I got married there 2 years ago in a castle

Parts of it make Down town Baghdad look like Saville Row.... but mostly it's OK.

I live in the nice part of Glasgow luckily.

[dalhousie2008]

I got married in Edinburgh well just outside a place called dalhousie castle funnily enough. I believe there is a dalhousie street in Glasgow. I travelled around Scotland, not much in aberdeen though, but yacht Britannia was cool, pretty much Edinburgh was good, they had just released Burke and hare last time I was there

[MIKESC70T5]

Haha, funny Monkey, He had a Volvo once, it's like an affair, he'll realise what side his bread is really buttered on after a while and come crawling back to a V70, begging forgiveness lol ;)

Had an immaculate 850 manual t5r estate then the c70t5. Both lovely cars and both remapped to around 270bhp and both had issues getting the power down, even though both had uprated suspension, strut braces and quality tyres etc etc. I can't imagine what 350bhp threw the front wheels would be like, but must be a nightmare especially in the wet.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/MIKEST5R/DSC02274.jpg
http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/MIKEST5R/SDC11253.jpg

[T5frankie]

that t5-r is nice mate, why sell?

[mitchyboy01]

What's the deal with t5d5, do they hate vpcuk? I put a post up, basically saying I was after some parts In the parts wanted section, got loads of grieve and had it kicked off lol

So just posted in the new members section, that i only use vpcuk and I'm after parts lol. What do you lot reckon? 5 mins before its kicked off

I try to get on with people on all the forums, but I think for some reason the T5D5 guys are quite clicky but are still friendly enough and very knowledgeable. I have had a lot help and information with my build from a few guys on there who seem genuinely interested in my progress. Tim Williams and Ashok really do know their stuff and are real enthusiasts. They just don't like being asked the same questions over and over again, which is understandable. Not much happens on the forums though, sometimes like 20 mins between posts which is rather boring!!

[t5_monkey]

When I get a motor I wanna do some more in depth mods... I'll prob visit T5D5... until then I'll hang out with u chavs :)

[T5frankie]

When I get a motor I wanna do some more in depth mods... I'll prob visit T5D5... until then I'll hang out with u chavs :)

if you aint in their gang you aint getting nowhere mate lol

[Al115]

And please let that discussion stop here!

[dalhousie2008]

Monkey we have been well and truly told off I'm expecting an email any minute shhhhh! Bt if you want to know ask warren volvolised he seems to know why

[dalhousie2008]

Mikes olive t5r estate looks lovely

[dalhousie2008]

Frankie what happened to the sparkly bits

[T5frankie]

Monkey we have been well and truly told off I'm expecting an email any minute shhhhh! Bt if you want to know ask warren volvolised he seems to know why

we should keep flicking threads to escape the mods like were on cibies changing channels lol

[T5frankie]

Frankie what happened to the sparkly bits

too gay lol

[dalhousie2008]

Your just as bad as monkey lol

[Al115]

we should keep flicking threads to escape the mods like were on cibies changing channels lol

LOL, good plan but I suspect you'll just get banned for a week after the third thread... Tomcat is not a patient man :D

[t5_monkey]

You don't want tomcats hot breath down the back of your neck....

[merc85]

What's the deal with t5d5, do they hate vpcuk? I put a post up, basically saying I was after some parts In the parts wanted section, got loads of grieve and had it kicked off lol

So just posted in the new members section, that i only use vpcuk and I'm after parts lol. What do you lot reckon? 5 mins before its kicked off

I'm probably gonna get hung drawn and quartered, but i'd just Say i joined t5d5 and i'm not Great at Computer's and was having trouble and still do working out the site.

I found "GOD" (tim wiliams) the Tuner, very hummmm ?? duno perhaps i miss under stood him. Shame since then it put me off the site, ive been back now and again but dont really find it very user frendly.

Nothing against said forum or tim just the layout of the site difficult to understand/operate.

I know tim has a great following, and getting larger by the day, he obviously knows his stuff and i would have considerded using his services in the near future.

Like i say perhaps i read it the wrong way.

[dalhousie2008]

The thing I found strange about tim was, he said there is no need to upgrade the brake on a Volvo to even 302mm as that was only called for on a race track?????

Hmmmm don't agree there, but I'm sure he knows his stuff.

[LiamT4]

Please stop! lol

[dalhousie2008]

Not another word promise.

[merc85]

The thing I found strange about tim was, he said there is no need to upgrade the brake on a Volvo to even 302mm as that was only called for on a race track?????

Hmmmm don't agree there, but I'm sure he knows his stuff.

If he did say that Doh!! lol come on Remaped ecu and then have to brake after 16psi lol I'm feeling the vibes.

[LiamT4]

Not another word promise.

Don't get me wrong, it can be amusing, but things tend to get out of hand and sometimes it goes from funny to nasty.

Plenty of keyboard warriors out there on the web.

[T5frankie]

lol

[Al115]

Guys, last warning or the thread gets closed. Back on topic please.

[MIKESC70T5]

that t5-r is nice mate, why sell?

I spent a small fortune getting it to a near mint condition. Replaced all the suspension parts and bushes for Koni,Eibach and Powerflex. Rica remap, bigger brakes, strut brace, genuine 18" pegs, yokohama tyres, miltek exhaust etc etc. It drove beautifully and was pretty quick and handled okay. Just got bored and didn't need an estate any more so got the C70 and did the same with that, but spent even more money doing that up lol.
I want to feel part of the car when i'm driving and the Volvo's never did, both rapid in a straight line, but on the twisty bits they didn't inspire a lot of confidence. Had the Accord ATR which fulfilled the need for being very involving but didn't have enough power for easy driving. With the M3 I have the best of both worlds and no need to modify, so no more wasting money lol.

[Al115]

I might get banned for saying it, but I'm with you on the M3 thing :)

[t5_monkey]

Anyone notice how M3 rhymes with ..... around a tree ? :)

[p fandango]

I might get banned for saying it, but I'm with you on the M3 thing :)
but you like S2000's & MGF's ;) lol

[Al115]

but you like S2000's & MGF's ;) lol

And Saxos, LOL indeed :)

MGF is a bit strong though. I thought we were friends.

[LiamT4]

Surely noone can argue that any car with a decent amount of power, should have it going to the rear wheels?

My car would be so much better if it was rwd.

[p fandango]

MGF is a bit strong though. I thought we were friends.
i do apologise for the MGF comment, i couldn't think of the other hair dresser orientated car your'd had

[Redbrick]

Loving these thread tangents!

My 855 is very 'driveable' as that is the way it has been mapped. Very quick and then bonkers. If I don't want bonkers I don't press the accelerator down so far changing before 3500K.