t5r engin upgades and mods where to start

[volvo850t5r]

im not sure if its valve stem seals or piston rings that are on the way out lots of blue smoke with winter here im gona take it of the road and rebuilt the engin what upgrades are worth doing are wheres the best place to get the bit s i no iv been told to upgrade the conrods are the standerd pistons ok and with the head is it worth geting cams haveing the head polished ported was thinkin of geting a 19t turbo if eney 1 can help and the best route to go down and where to get the bits would be a big help and what bhp you can get

mods so far blue injectors hlm304ecu 16t turbo full stanlees decat exhaulst rip bleed valve some sort of air filter i whant to get a bsm airfilter manual boost controler and a forge blanking plate for the turbo and a upgrade intake pipe il get theys bits ordered over the next few weeks the bsm air filter where can i order 1 from

[p fandango]

it really does depend how far you want to go. Standard pistons are good for 400-450bhp. NA cams are said to be an upgrade although no-one seems to have any numbers. I'd look at ME7 exhaust manifold (or even better a S60R) to swop while your changing the turbo. The heads are said to respond well to being ported & polished. 960throttle body also helps remove the lag you'll get from the 19t. Conrods LINK (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400181137671?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_1543wt_932)

[daza-b]

it really does depend how far you want to go. Standard pistons are good for 400-450bhp. NA cams are said to be an upgrade although no-one seems to have any numbers. I'd look at ME7 exhaust manifold (or even better a S60R) to swop while your changing the turbo. The heads are said to respond well to being ported & polished. 960throttle body also helps remove the lag you'll get from the 19t. Conrods LINK (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400181137671?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_1543wt_932)

haha your looking at the same rods as me...and like fandango says it all depends and how much time and money you want to put into it, vivaperformance.com do a hell of a lot of upgrades for the volvos.....but aint cheap!

[volvolised]

have a chat to tim williams.....tried the rest he's the best... and most of the better info you'll get nowadays from the volvo scene is because he's tried and tested it.....
p.s THS rods (find on ebay)are the ones most of us have used so far and come with the arp bolts at no extra £30 cost as per the link

[volvo850t5r]

is it possable to get 400bhp out of a t5r engin if so is it sereos money im gona do it bit by bit over the winter and proberly alot of hours in work to pay for it

[daza-b]

is it possable to get 400bhp out of a t5r engin if so is it sereos money im gona do it bit by bit over the winter and proberly alot of hours in work to pay for it

cant see you needing too much to get 400 bhp, sure someone on here has a 360bhp t5r??

[p fandango]

is it possable to get 400bhp out of a t5r engin if so is it sereos money im gona do it bit by bit over the winter and proberly alot of hours in work to pay for it
with enough money yes, RT mechanics car must be over 600bhp by now (591bhp at last count) & this one is said to be around 1000bhp

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/1031/38890210150504060358816.jpg
1/4mile in 10.28@232kph

[volvolised]

you dont need 400 bhp on a fwd car get good suspension, anti roll bars ,stiffen the chassis up, and decent brakes ..325bhp odd with the volvo's exceptional mid range will piff ALOT of cars off..rods are a must...Pppplease speak to tim he Will check out your car and put you in the right place..he does all the headwork and porting nescessary..

[volvolised]

with enough money yes, RT mechanics car must be over 600bhp by now (591bhp at last count) & this one is said to be around 1000bhp

http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/1031/38890210150504060358816.jpg
1/4mile in 10.28@232kph

ha ha !! rt's.......

[p fandango]

ha ha !! rt's.......
i'm lost?

[volvolised]

i'm lost?

no worries, we'll leave it here to not start up any old rifts o.k.

[volvo850t5r]

i bet that gos well 1000bhp thats mad and a lot of money i bet i think if i could get it to400bhp id be happey with that its bad enfof now being front wheel drive looks like im gona have to start collecting all the bit now im geting some ideas where can u get the bsm air filters from i like the look of can seem to find where to by 1 from is my 16t turbo worth much it pull well seems to be in good condishon just gota find a 19t now

[p fandango]

no worries, we'll leave it here to not start up any old rifts o.k.
good call ;)

[p fandango]

i bet that gos well 1000bhp thats mad and a lot of money i bet i think if i could get it to400bhp id be happey with that its bad enfof now being front wheel drive looks like im gona have to start collecting all the bit now im geting some ideas where can u get the bsm air filters from i like the look of can seem to find where to by 1 from is my 16t turbo worth much it pull well seems to be in good condishon just gota find a 19t now
engines said of cost £45000. If your target is 400bhp your going to need to go for a Garrett instead of a 19t

[volvo850t5r]

what and where what model do you need a costom manafold to fit the garrett what sort of money what about the exhalst downpipe

[volvolised]

engines said of cost £45000. If your target is 400bhp your going to need to go for a Garrett instead of a 19t

totaly agree on that ped the 19 or 18T are pushing every mod concievable (headwork,porting,exhausts, and fuelling) and thts just tohit 350 bhp and then there's the mapping but even the garrett needs a good map and especially the rods and the list goes on...

[Volvostorm]

engines said of cost £45000. If your target is 400bhp your going to need to go for a Garrett instead of a 19t

Mine uses a Garrett, the complete engine must have cost about £3000+ and my target is 400bhp

[p fandango]

what and where what model do you need a costom manafold to fit the garrett what sort of money what about the exhalst downpipe
i'm sure Pault5estate is running a Garrett so be better to help with whats involved in fitting. I'm sure they use the original manifold is modified to fit the turbo

[volvo850t5r]

where would be the best plase for me to stat is it worth geting all the bits i need before the engins striped down then go from ther i could do with doing a list of what i need to get

[volvolised]

about to sign off but as i said speak to someone who does this day in day out ...

[Volvostorm]

i'm sure Pault5estate is running a Garrett so be better to help with whats involved in fitting. I'm sure they use the original manifold is modified to fit the turbo

Yup, Mine is a ME7 manifold with the lip skimmed off, and a T25 adaptor plate fitted.

If you are going to go Garrett, go for a T3 flanged turbo, reason I didn't is because when I ordered my turbo they had no T3 flanged one in stock, and where waiting for a back order to come through in about 4 months! This was last year though.

[smithy]

jamest5r is running a garrett too with forged rods but he never sent it to tim williams he did the work himself but you never know it might work and drive well when tuned up soon as he is running it in at mo.

[Volvostorm]

Mine wasn't built by Tim either, not that I'm knocking his work, I have a bigger throttle body done by him, its top quality work :)

[smithy]

Mine wasn't built by Tim either, not that I'm knocking his work, I have a bigger throttle body done by him, its top quality work :)

he has a 3in tb too tim never did that one though and im not knocking his work ether just like to have a laugh on a sunday afternoon

[volvo850t5r]

looks like it s gona take a while to get the bits and do all the work should be fun thow

[Volvostorm]

Mine's taken about a year to do! ;)

But, that does include a few gearbox related problems.

[volvo850t5r]

so mite be longer than just a winter prodject then i dont whant to rush it whant to get it right before it gos back on the road

[Volvostorm]

Also, using a Garrett, your need to have a think about changing the rods.

[smithy]

looks like it s gona take a while to get the bits and do all the work should be fun thow

it is fun mate just need rods ,pistons,850r clutch,turbo and of its a big one then n/a cams are a good upgrade too.build it with new downpipe and piping for new turbo and custom map .3in tb and hard piping too with custom intercooler would be good too.then 400 bhp is good but 350 whp is enough for fwd in imho though

[volvo850t5r]

yea i have been told i need to change the rods will the pistons be ok will get the head polished ported also thinking cams if i can find some will the standered intercooler be ok or will that need changeing

[volvo850t5r]

what are n/acams where do you get them from iv seen a few people saying about them

[smithy]

yea i have been told i need to change the rods will the pistons be ok will get the head polished ported also thinking cams if i can find some will the standered intercooler be ok or will that need changeing

its a 20v head they flow well enough mate spend your money on keeping it cool like ally intercooler and hard piping with 3in tb.

[Volvostorm]

what are n/acams where do you get them from iv seen a few people saying about them

The cams out of 20valve non turbo engines

N/A stands for Normally Aspirated, while a turbo charged engine is forced aspirated.

[smithy]

what are n/acams where do you get them from iv seen a few people saying about them

2.5 normally asperated mate 850 manual

[volvo850t5r]

im now doing a list as im on here of the bits i need where can i get n/a cams the 960throttlebody withch modle is it of and year will my blue injectors be ok for the job where can u get a upgraded fuel pump from

[volvo850t5r]

im lurning as im going along iv not had a volvo for long iv always had peugeot 205 so this is a bit new to me

[Volvostorm]

Blue injectors are a bit small, Greens would be a bit better, I have 630cc Siemen Deka's in mine at the moment

[smithy]

im now doing a list as im on here of the bits i need where can i get n/a cams the 960throttlebody withch modle is it of and year will my blue injectors be ok for the job where can u get a upgraded fuel pump from

depending on what turbo you are using depends on the size of your injectors mate.

[Alan M]

The engine in that car linked earlier is not a motronic T5 engine. It is a late T5 engine probably the B5244 T5 engine from the 05 on cars. The most gains for less outlay on these engines has to be the head. When ported well and macthed on a flow bench the figures increase dramatically. Tim Williams proved this with IIRC Irfs car achieving 340hp with an 18t whites and a decat with only head work as the major thing done. I think that was the only work done on the car but the person to ask would of course either be Tim or Irf. I prefered the later heads on the T5 engine as they require much less porting and polishing.

[volvolised]

Ha Ha love the replies about "i've not used tim and" .....just deleted a whole paragraph of reply ,you lot aren't worth it lol, wish you all the best volvo850t5r

[smithy]

Ha Ha love the replies about "i've not used tim and" .....just deleted a whole paragraph of reply ,you lot aren't worth it lol, wish you all the best volvo850t5r

it was a joke mate not being serious .

[Volvostorm]

Ha Ha love the replies about "i've not used tim and" .....just deleted a whole paragraph of reply ,you lot aren't worth it lol, wish you all the best volvo850t5r

The whole point of doing my car, was to prove I can do it myself, if I make a mistake I have no-one to blame :)

I'm grateful to Tim, he is the person that told me about my second fault with the Gripper diff. When we met, we had a long chat about tuning and my car, he is really knowledgeable person.

[p fandango]

Ha Ha love the replies about "i've not used tim and" .....just deleted a whole paragraph of reply ,you lot aren't worth it lol, wish you all the best volvo850t5r
i'm sorry that people wanting to work on there own cars instead of just handing over the keys & a cheque has upset you :wave23d:

[Alan M]

By the way I have never used Tim for work either but you have to respect the ethos and ethic he instils in the work he carries out for his customers who become his friends.

[smithy]

The engine in that car linked earlier is not a motronic T5 engine. It is a late T5 engine probably the B5244 T5 engine from the 05 on cars. The most gains for less outlay on these engines has to be the head. When ported well and macthed on a flow bench the figures increase dramatically. Tim Williams proved this with IIRC Irfs car achieving 340hp with an 18t whites and a decat with only head work as the major thing done. I think that was the only work done on the car but the person to ask would of course either be Tim or Irf. I prefered the later heads on the T5 engine as they require much less porting and polishing.

im not saying that porting dont work it does but the cost can sometimes outway the benefits ,with a good turbo and intercooler works just as good then if you want more go down the road of doing the porting etc.but as i have said before this is my own opinion thats all.it also depends on budget for the mods involved

[smithy]

By the way I have never used Tim for work either but you have to respect the ethos and ethic he instils in the work he carries out for his customers who become his friends.

very true and im not slagging the guy off anyway im not into that rubish ethier

[Alan M]

Porting can be quite reasonable these days with a lot of companies offering a service to T5 heads via CNC programs that have already been written as lots have been done before. Its when programs have to be written that things can become expensive. Also people that do the work by hand who have done the work may times can be much cheaper than other companies as they are very familiarwith the heads. If the ops car is being stripped by him and the head stipped also by him he could just take the head to someone for porting which will bring the cost right down. That way he could assemble the head himself and grind the valves in by hand although a nice machine 3-5 angle vale finish would be better.

[smithy]

my head on my 940 has got big valves and been machines to death but that is an 8v,the only thing im saying is i know peeps that have got mad power from engines just with rods and pistons and in the older engines like the redblocks peeps are running 400 whp with just a cam and turbo and ms so anything can be done but if the bugdet stretches to it then yes its a good idea imho.

[volvo850t5r]

thank you for you advice so far its been a big help im gona get a list and start geting the bits to do it so will be updates soon in my prodject section on here where do you get the bsm air filters what 940 do you get the throttle houseing off

[Volvostorm]

Fitting, a 9 series throttle body means you have to do a bit of wiring, the TPS is in a different place.

I had my 850 one bored out.

[smithy]

thank you for you advice so far its been a big help im gona get a list and start geting the bits to do it so will be updates soon in my prodject section on here where do you get the bsm air filters what 940 do you get the throttle houseing off

we are here to help mate and its the later 960 mate you want or you can mod a 2.5n/a 850 too but best get rid of the plastic plate in this one though thats why the 960 one is better.

[p fandango]

Fitting, a 9 series throttle body means you have to do a bit of wiring, the TPS is in a different place
the throttle position sensor is in the same place but turned 90degrees, the 3 wires need extending by about 2inches

[volvo850t5r]

with is the best choce to do between bored out 850 1 of 9 series are thay hard to find withch modle s do thay come on

[smithy]

Fitting, a 9 series throttle body means you have to do a bit of wiring, the TPS is in a different place.

I had my 850 one bored out.

ive done 4 of these 3intb mods wiring dont need to be done at all just fit the 850 tps no probs mate.

[Volvostorm]

I was wrong! :D Not for the first time! ;)

[claymore]

aren't the 2.5 N/A tb bigger, just need to use the butterfly off the 960

[smithy]

aren't the 2.5 N/A tb bigger, just need to use the butterfly off the 960

they are same as the 960 but with that rubish plastic plate on it .i have a 960 tb and a 2.5n/a one too im going to get some butterfly plates made so the tbs will be the same then.

[claymore]

what's the purpos of the plastic plate, anyone got a picture

[smithy]

what's the purpos of the plastic plate, anyone got a picture

it was to make the car smoother to drive from what i understand.

[Volvostorm]

Its to slow the air speed through the body, by reducing the amount the flap opens at low throttle

I think that makes sense!

[claymore]

it was to make the car smoother to drive from what i understand.
I might try one on mine with the plastic bit

[Volvostorm]

Good chance yours already has the plastic bit in it mate

[claymore]

Good chance yours already has the plastic bit in it mate
Yes, but not that big

[Volvostorm]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/paulxr4x4/Volvo%20build%20and%20evos/7724652b.jpg

[volvo850t5r]

well iv been to my loacal scrap yard to day to have a look thers a volvo s70 r think thats what it is well its a 2.5 non turbo auto will this have the right cams for my 850t5r some one sed about 2.5 n/acams is ther eney bits that are worth have for my 850

[Volvostorm]

If it is a 2.5, check the top of the engine, it should say 20 valve, if it says DOHC it a 10 valve.

[claymore]

Throttle body

[volvo850t5r]

its a 20valve 2.5 auto thay what 20pound for the cams is that a good price if thay are right

[Volvostorm]

Sound ok to me :)

I paid £300 for my pipers :saythat: