300bhp whats required?

[merc85]

This is my goal, Wanna get 300 bhp at the crank.

So Far.

Rip, Walbro, 15g turbo at 19/20psi, forge unos mbc, Me7 manifold,
Hlm 304 map.

Still running standard injectors
Standard Cat / exhaust

Any help much apreciated, Thinking 16t? dont wanna over do it lol rods!!

[p fandango]

you'll be pushing it with a 16t. Get a 19t, injectors & a remap. I'd also get a 960 throttle body to help the spool up

[T5frankie]

This is my goal, Wanna get 300 bhp at the crank.

So Far.

Rip, Walbro, 15g turbo at 19/20psi, forge unos mbc, Me7 manifold,
Hlm 304 map.

Still running standard injectors
Standard Cat / exhaust

Any help much apreciated, Thinking 16t? dont wanna over do it lol rods!!

19t custom map, front mounted intercooler, green injectors

[bigrotch]

Oh a account with shell 99 Ron pmsl

[WOODY T5]

300 is pos mate 16t and a 3 inch ndown pipe and cat would work as for rods my car is 320 ish and near 400 pound foot still on standard ones running 1.3 to 1.5 bar

[merc85]

19t custom map, front mounted intercooler, green injectors

Cheers frankie, where would i go for a custom Map in closer the better to essex any ideas?

[p fandango]

Cheers frankie, where would i go for a custom Map in closer the better to essex any ideas?
if you go for a Turbo-Tuner you can get anyone you want to do it, plus it simply be adjusted with future mods

[smithson007]

Im getting loads of lag with my 19T at the min.

[p fandango]

Im getting loads of lag with my 19T at the min.
960 throttle body & 3" RIP kit, mine now spools faster than my 15g did

[smithson007]

Is it alot of work to fit a 960 throttle body just theres one sitting in my local scrappys at min?

[merc85]

Im getting loads of lag with my 19T at the min.

pmsl everyones got one lol, I need a 19t where did you guys get yours from? whats the average to pay for 1?

[volvo]

No mr Fandango...it just FEELS like it spools fatser, and that prob because half your car's missing! LOL

[smithson007]

pmsl everyones got one lol, I need a 19t where did you guys get yours from? whats the average to pay for 1?

My was already on the car mate but i do have a receipt for it. It was from HLM and in 2005 it cost around 700 quid.

[p fandango]

Is it alot of work to fit a 960 throttle body just theres one sitting in my local scrappys at min?
all you need to do is enlarge the port on the manifold, extend the wires to the TPS (throttle position sensor) & obviously change the diameter of the pipe onto it

[p fandango]

No mr Fandango...it just FEELS like it spools fatser, and that prob because half your car's missing! LOL
only half lol. I was so disappointed with the lag from the 19t i very nearly went back to a 15g, throttle body sorted it ;)

[volvo]

dont be saying that....i have a 19T that wants the 15g to get out the way for bigger n better!

[p fandango]

dont be saying that....i have a 19T that wants the 15g to get out the way for bigger n better!
its 10pm sunday, you've just had 2 days to get it swopped ;) lol

[volvo]

LOL...and dont tell me we still have just under 2 hours of the weekend left so i could still start it right! Well, i could start removing things....speaking of removing items of the 850......lol

[smithson007]

LOL...and dont tell me we still have just under 2 hours of the weekend left so i could still start it right! Well, i could start removing things....speaking of removing items of the 850......lol

I was just thinking that. Its not to late to start now. Lol.

[Jim S70R]

To get 300bhp......a big fat wallet lol

[volvo]

its abit strange really...you buy these cars at about 240/250 manufacturers stats (yes they are old now most of them!) you put your 'chip' 'rica 304' or whatever you want to call them....you then are probably at about 260/270 mark...then spend thousands probably to get to 300ish.....hmmmmm maybe this is the case with most older cars??

[merc85]

I'd do it now, it took me a Hour to fit my turbo, and exhaust front pipe, bleed coolant system.

Hell its 11.00pm by 1.00am you should av a 19t pmsl.

If u dont. Fancy sellin it to me??? lol

[volvo]

it will go in...damn it, if its the last thing i do! LOL....

im 'collecting' the bits at the moment and on one loooong day, it will get done...he says!

Volvolised on here has an 18T if your looking for one.....well he did have it last week!

[merc85]

Just had my Car tax and mot this month DOH! lol, December i reckon i should have a fat 19t althoug i will probably need a front pipe to match.

More doller lol

[t5 pete]

i question my self at times why i bother ive got a new rebuilt 18t, blues, 3"down pipe, race cat,304 map and running around 17-19 psi and only hitting 243 at the wheels the engine has brilliant compression and no problems what so ever but just cannot seem to get near 300

[volvo]

T5 Pete...hello!

Just like to ask...did we meet at MRG when i had just bought my t5-r in olive green? Im pretty sure it was you....and i met chopster there too....maybe a few months ago now?

Apologies if it wasnt and still like to say Hello!!

Cheers

[volvo]

Pete...whne you have stuff like 18/19T on the car...does a 304 give 'full potential' or maybe a re-map specifically for your configuration would yield best results?

[t5 pete]

T5 Pete...hello!

Just like to ask...did we meet at MRG when i had just bought my t5-r in olive green? Im pretty sure it was you....and i met chopster there too....maybe a few months ago now?

Apologies if it wasnt and still like to say Hello!!

Cheers

Hello i dont think ive ever been to a MRG meet lol.
Cheers

[t5 pete]

Pete...whne you have stuff like 18/19T on the car...does a 304 give 'full potential' or maybe a re-map specifically for your configuration would yield best results?

I doubt very much a 304 will give the 18t its potensional performance but surley i should be getting a better figure than that.

[volvo]

ooops! well Hi too!

I guess you have done the stage 0 stuff, have no air leaks in the vac pipes and that kind of stuff?
I think the rica 304 will be good upto 16T, but my knowledge is pretty limited......

just going from articles read on the forums to be honest....

[siamblue]

i question my self at times why i bother ive got a new rebuilt 18t, blues, 3"down pipe, race cat,304 map and running around 17-19 psi and only hitting 243 at the wheels the engine has brilliant compression and no problems what so ever but just cannot seem to get near 300

There is something wrong with your car if you are only achieving those figures,
Before i started modding my V70R, it was modded by a previous owner at 268whp 19t custom Rica down pipe and exhuast.

Gary.

[Jamest5r]

You need less mods than you think to get close too 300bhp, i had 16t, me7 mani refurbed orange injectors, decat and miltec back and i got 287 @ crank and 456nm,1.2bar with a custom map which im sure Hamish will copy for you for a small fee :), there is a graph of it in my project thread just dont know how to copy it to here.

[t5 pete]

There is something wrong with your car if you are only achieving those figures,
Before i started modding my V70R, it was modded by a previous owner at 268whp 19t custom Rica down pipe and exhuast.

Gary.

Thats the thing gary i cannot find a single fault with the car ive been on with it trying to get better power since first having the 304 with the 15g in which it only made 224 at the crank and that must be 3 yrs ago now every thing has been replaced and its now at 243whp.

[Jamest5r]

Worked it out :)

http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=8257&d=1267369274

[dalhousie2008]

Hi pete could it be a dyno issue, I.e under reading power out put, have you tried different dyno,s

[p fandango]

its abit strange really...you buy these cars at about 240/250 manufacturers stats (yes they are old now most of them!) you put your 'chip' 'rica 304' or whatever you want to call them....you then are probably at about 260/270 mark...then spend thousands probably to get to 300ish.....hmmmmm maybe this is the case with most older cars??
850 T-5's come with 225bhp. I'm sure FFM won't might be admitting his old car was done on a budget & got 291bhp LINK (http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/showthread.php?t=21419)

[Alan M]

One of the best ways for increasing the power output of these engines is head work. Having the head ported and polished properly does work very well and you should be able to get a good target figure with one of the smaller compressors in the Td04 range such as the 16t.

[Flatout Phil]

its abit strange really...you buy these cars at about 240/250 manufacturers stats (yes they are old now most of them!) you put your 'chip' 'rica 304' or whatever you want to call them....you then are probably at about 260/270 mark...then spend thousands probably to get to 300ish.....hmmmmm maybe this is the case with most older cars??

An 850 T5 (225 or so it says) produces 98 bhp per litre of engine capacity.

An 850 R manual (250 lol) produces about 108 bhp per litre.

300 bhp requires 130 bhp per litre.

Honda S2000 (2 litre) produces 120 bhp per litre and M3 (4 litre) about 104 bhp.

Therefore, 130 bhp per litre is going some. Our engines are tiny compared to those in other 'big' cars like M3 and various AMG estates, so do very well in a way. But the bottom line is, you can't beat cubic capacity...this gives the basis for torque - which is often overlooked when remaps are talked about - the Rica map impacts more on torque than on outright BHP - and tihs makes it great.
On the front wheel drive issues, one of the higher powered 850s that has not been seen for a while on here, is Russ Thompson's Yellow Peril ... certainly well over 500 bhp. But I have yet to see it produce particularly impressive 1/4 miles. I think there is only so much power that a FWD car will ever successfully lay down.

But if you have a goal - go for it!

[smithy]

I doubt very much a 304 will give the 18t its potensional performance but surley i should be getting a better figure than that.

james car was quite flat with the 304 map and then he got the map that jelt5 has got now and was a completely different car mate and that has a forge mbc fitted too

[leet5r]

what are you wantin to achive with the 300whp , if its fast quarter times then try strippin the car if its track times then get a proper diff and you should be happy , if its just to say av got 300whp then ya will need a 18t or bigger, greens and everything else that needs to be done

[t5 pete]

james car was quite flat with the 304 map and then he got the map that jelt5 has got now and was a completely different car mate and that has a forge mbc fitted too

Yeah would have liked to try that ecu in myne

[dalhousie2008]

Hi merc was at volvolised's place today and saw his lovely 18t looks in good nick no cracks in exhaust turbine, and it's still up for sale.

[volvo]

ahhh...i see you took a trip to the farm hey! Yes, he really has good some good stuff over there. Sound bloke too which makes all the difference when your dealing with people for the first time.....

[AndysR]

Wow Gav you've got the bug well and truely. I prescribe lots of cash and patience to achieve your goal.

Oh and not forgetting a healthy boost level with a map to cope ;)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/Andyrs/My%20Volvo/Boostgauge.jpg

[dalhousie2008]

I took a trip to the farm and was guided in by horn blasts lol after sat nav took me to a distant neighbours

[volvo]

lovely place they have hey!

have you seen this just come uo e bay:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLVO-850-T5-R-ESTATE-MANUAL-GULL-YELLOW-VERY-RARE-MODEL-/120788279044?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1c1f8adf04

[dalhousie2008]

Yeah isaw your link, bit out of my price range at the mo, there's a t5r olive for 900 on evil bay, seems cheap, but Ill have to wait a bit I think.

[volvo]

yeah....the yellow one's are rare though...hmmmmmm

[AndysR]

Yeah isaw your link, bit out of my price range at the mo, there's a t5r olive for 900 on evil bay, seems cheap, but Ill have to wait a bit I think.

Buying cheap usually means expensive running, at least with the yellow one you get a sorted one which probably won't need too much doing to keep it nice for years to come.

[volvolised]

lovely place they have hey!

have you seen this just come uo e bay:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLVO-850-T5-R-ESTATE-MANUAL-GULL-YELLOW-VERY-RARE-MODEL-/120788279044?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item1c1f8adf04

TAXI ......:hilarious...lol

[volvo]

Funny that, we just talking about them and about 15mins later i log onto ebay and hey presto! how weird!

[volvolised]

p.s nice to have met you steve........

[merc85]

Wow Gav you've got the bug well and truely. I prescribe lots of cash and patience to achieve your goal.

Oh and not forgetting a healthy boost level with a map to cope ;)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/Andyrs/My%20Volvo/Boostgauge.jpg

Jesus Andy lol, if thats a pic of your Gauges, respect lol. mine goes there but pitta's off, deffo down to the 15g running outta puff.

But the throttle is very snappie now due to the me7 me thinks.

[AndysR]

Jesus Andy lol, if thats a pic of your Gauges, respect lol. mine goes there but pitta's off, deffo down to the 15g running outta puff.

But the throttle is very snappie now due to the me7 me thinks.

Might be....mines essentially still a 15g. Holds boost steady like that through 3rd to red line and increases slightly in 4th ;)

[merc85]

Wow Gav you've got the bug well and truely. I prescribe lots of cash and patience to achieve your goal.

Oh and not forgetting a healthy boost level with a map to cope ;)

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/Andyrs/My%20Volvo/Boostgauge.jpg

Com on andy where do i take here to be mapped?

[AndysR]

Com on andy where do i take here to be mapped?

You'll need a turbotuner and I'd advise bigger injectors than standard. You will then need to go to RT's to get it mapped. Then because you have the turbotuner you can get the mapped tweaked as you add a bigger free flowing downpipe and sports/no cat, larger intercooler etc etc...

[volvolised]

Yeah would have liked to try that ecu in myne

You pay postage you can try my mte ...it was mapped to man 855 R with 18T + ferrita all through + larger intercooler + whites + larger throttle body + me7 exhaust mani...+ larger RIP and maf pipework + had all new leads and coil pack...........

[t5 pete]

That would be brilliant thank you

[volvo]

is that with or without..........

the 18T?

[volvolised]

is that with or without..........

the 18T?

With....................pete's 18t...:bitehard3