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Mr pies
Sunday 11th September 2011, 18:55
Hi everyone, I am after some advice please. My budget is upto 2k. Which of the above mentioned is generally deemed the better car?

What do you think to these?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330598991720?ssPageName=...

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3191814.htm

What sort of mpg and servicing costs can you expect from these cars?

Thanks in advance.

t5_monkey
Sunday 11th September 2011, 19:10
personally, the T4 is a bit overpriced and if it's a trader it may have come from auction (not necessarily a good thing)

T4 ... small, good handling, light, VERY quick when modified, not that big

T5.... great sound, relaxed GT, smooth epic power, loads of space

Different horses for different courses but for me.... That T5 engine sound takes some beating.

M-R-P
Sunday 11th September 2011, 19:13
I'd take the T-5 in a heartbead, but I'm biased ;)

t5 stealth
Sunday 11th September 2011, 19:37
Hi everyone, I am after some advice please. My budget is upto 2k. Which of the above mentioned is generally deemed the better car?

What do you think to these?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/330598991720?ssPageName=...

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3191814.htm

What sort of mpg and servicing costs can you expect from these cars?

Thanks in advance.

aslong as you arnt worries about fuel costs then T5 :) ,
But for me it would be the T5,,
most versatile,space,drive,sound.
you can still move house and have a wardrobe in the back and still be quicker than the averidge car lol

PHIL V70R
Sunday 11th September 2011, 19:48
t-5 mate any day...

LiamT4
Sunday 11th September 2011, 20:05
Unless you need the space, then i'd have the t4 over a t5 everytime (but not that one because its overpriced).

Handle better, stop better and they are faster, despite what people seem to think.

better on fuel too.

I await everyones reply/abuse:mischievo

Mr pies
Sunday 11th September 2011, 20:15
Thanks for the advice lads. I must admit, I do prefer the look of the V40. I have a friend on here who has an 850 T5, its done 170,000 miles, after going in that I knewI must have a Volvo in my life. I am starting up fishing again so really need something that can get my gear in the back, I think a T4 will be plenty big enough?

I thought my current A4 tdi was wearing well but I think Volvo's just edge it.

Are the T4's as reliable as the T5? What sort of mpg am I looking at? I do around 100-130 miles per week, so how mcuh will I be putting in?

LiamT4
Sunday 11th September 2011, 20:21
Worse than a tdi but better than a t5! lol

Seriously though high 20s for mixed and high 30s on a run (for the t4)

I used to get about 25-27mpg and 35-38mpg, respectively, out of my last t4.

They are also pretty reliable too.

Mr pies
Sunday 11th September 2011, 20:25
This one isn't too far from me..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Volvo-V40-T4-Turbo-Estate-Silver-5-Doors-/170692175965?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item27be0be85d

Thoughts?

LiamT4
Sunday 11th September 2011, 20:32
Looks pretty good and decent miles for the year, still to much though.
If you could get a couple of hundred off, it would be worth it.

I would say that if its near you then go and have a look at it and take it for a drive to see if you like it, as its a dealer you don't have to buy it.

t5_monkey
Sunday 11th September 2011, 20:42
Unless you need the space, then i'd have the t4 over a t5 everytime (but not that one because its overpriced).

Handle better, stop better and they are faster, despite what people seem to think.

better on fuel too.

I await everyones reply/abuse:mischievo

Yeah but does a T4 sound like an Audi Quattro rally car or 1/2 a Gallardo ?!

T4 is a wicked fast drivers car... but hmmm That T5 sound nom nom....

There's no better feeling than impressing a bunch of wee Neds on a street corner.... or the Blow off from your Turbo making the beat coppers jump and turn around :D (don't worry that's the least of their worries in Maryhill Glasgow!!)

smithy
Sunday 11th September 2011, 21:14
Worse than a tdi but better than a t5! lol

Seriously though high 20s for mixed and high 30s on a run (for the t4)

I used to get about 25-27mpg and 35-38mpg, respectively, out of my last t4.

They are also pretty reliable too.

i get that mpg out of my 940 136bhp 8v lol if you dont need a big car then t4 is a good all rounder but the sound of a modded t5 is second to none.but my 940 sounds nice too

LiamT4
Sunday 11th September 2011, 21:20
I like the sound of a t4, just not as smooth as the 5cyl.

mitchyboy01
Sunday 11th September 2011, 21:44
Unless you need the space, then i'd have the t4 over a t5 everytime (but not that one because its overpriced).

Handle better, stop better and they are faster, despite what people seem to think.

better on fuel too.

I await everyones reply/abuse:mischievo

I totally agree. I've had both recently and the t4 wins hands down. The 5 pots sound awesome though. T4s are much lighter, handle better and are just as easy/hard to get big power.

mitchyboy01
Sunday 11th September 2011, 21:47
Don't pay a lot for either a t4 or t5. There are some proper bargains to be had. Paid 400 for my phase one t4 and love it.

siamblue
Sunday 11th September 2011, 21:51
Maryhill Glasgow!!)

Haha. that reminds me, back in 93 me sneaking out of my mates house into the back of a cab with my Rangers jacket on, before a game, things i used to get upto.

As for the car, if you want a big car with huge amount of accessories to add on, then the T5 but they are thirsty, my manual would return 24 around town and low thirties on a long run, spares seem to be more expensive as well, the T4 are more modern as they are upto 6 years younger than the oldest V70.
I have just bought a T4, handles brilliantly compared to my V70R, steering turn in is great, today i had to go up north, i stuck £64 in, stuck the cruise too 60 and was returning 48mpg, on the way back set cruise at 70 and got 44mpg, 400 miles driven and still 120 miles to empty, the V70R would've been empty at 350miles and that's with a 70ltr tank.

HTH Gary.

PS Get the sport lux car they look the nuts with the Arcadia's..

Mr pies
Sunday 11th September 2011, 22:52
Don't pay a lot for either a t4 or t5. There are some proper bargains to be had. Paid 400 for my phase one t4 and love it.

£400! :jaw:

Mr pies
Sunday 11th September 2011, 22:53
Haha. that reminds me, back in 93 me sneaking out of my mates house into the back of a cab with my Rangers jacket on, before a game, things i used to get upto.

As for the car, if you want a big car with huge amount of accessories to add on, then the T5 but they are thirsty, my manual would return 24 around town and low thirties on a long run, spares seem to be more expensive as well, the T4 are more modern as they are upto 6 years younger than the oldest V70.
I have just bought a T4, handles brilliantly compared to my V70R, steering turn in is great, today i had to go up north, i stuck £64 in, stuck the cruise too 60 and was returning 48mpg, on the way back set cruise at 70 and got 44mpg, 400 miles driven and still 120 miles to empty, the V70R would've been empty at 350miles and that's with a 70ltr tank.

HTH Gary.

PS Get the sport lux car they look the nuts with the Arcadia's..

'Arcadias'?

Mr pies
Sunday 11th September 2011, 22:56
What about this?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320758173207

My mate has a garage and is very handy with spanners?

t5_monkey
Sunday 11th September 2011, 23:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQqfqFxh-Zo&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eEVAozHLPs&feature=related

OK so T4 has a lot going for it... but it'll never sound THIS dirty!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIY-EhVkrqo&feature=related

siamblue
Monday 12th September 2011, 00:04
'Arcadias'?

Sport lux V40 with Arcadia's..

http://pictures2.autotrader.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=1785788758

Mr pies
Monday 12th September 2011, 00:06
Oooooo they're nice!

M-R-P
Monday 12th September 2011, 00:27
Yeah, sexy motor but nothing clears the fast lane on a motorway like a white V70 being driven by a fat man in a Hi-Viz!

LiamT4
Monday 12th September 2011, 12:09
Sport lux V40 with Arcadia's..

http://pictures2.autotrader.co.uk/imgser-uk/servlet/media?id=1785788758

Is that your new car?

Thats my fave colour for a t4 and with those wheels it looks perfect.

Even with my t4 being an auto, i could get 500miles out of a tank (just).

Porcine_Aviator
Monday 12th September 2011, 12:59
Even with all the noise I still love the 850 T5 and the little button that says Sport on it :)

It's been over a year since I had my stroke so I will have to go and see the doc about getting my licence back again. Boy do I miss driving and after a year I'm getting really bored.

Mrs PA having to do all the driving is wearing a bit thin, so I want to get the 850 T5 back on the road. The V70 T5 just doesn't seem to have the raw grunt of the 850 when you hit Sport :)

Not to mention the V70's turning circle, or lack of it.

The V70 T5 P1 is a great car, Mrs PA wanted me to part ex our V70 P2 T5 for a V70 P1 AWD last week, so that will give you an idea of how she feels about the V70 P2s :(

Porcine_Aviator
Monday 12th September 2011, 13:05
Yeah, sexy motor but nothing clears the fast lane on a motorway like a white V70 being driven by a fat man in a Hi-Viz!

Will you stop haunting the Tolpuddle bye-pass, that's where I got my last speeding ticket, many years ago. 90 with a Beemer glued to my rear, I was trying to pass a line of cars to get in and he was pushing me. Even Mr Plod said he could see what was happening but he could only get one car at a time and it was my day to be said car :(

Our 855 is white and even now a white Volvo coming up on other cars makes them move over.

gmotS40T4
Monday 12th September 2011, 14:02
I think I must have a heavy right foot...my P1 S40 T4 will only give me 275 miles out of a full tank! ;o)

Having said that my brother has a P2 V70 T5 and after driving it I couldn't wait to get back in to the T4, and he didn't want to give it back! We were driving B-roads and the handling on the T4 is so much better, braking was superior and there is definitely a greater sense of speed.

On the flip side the T5 is like driving with a nuclear reactor under the bonnet instead of an engine; the power delivery is sooo smooth and seemingly never ending! Much better for long distances.

The T4 is best described as having a frantic engine note, very harsh and almost BTCC sounding. The T5 sounds like its gargling cream it's so smooth.

Each to their own, but the T4 gets my vote!

t5_monkey
Monday 12th September 2011, 14:21
It's a choice between....

Tai Fighter

http://www.walyou.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Star-Wars-TIE-Fighter-Costume.jpg

or Star Destroyer...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3130/2766670482_7ef492241b.jpg

antz
Monday 12th September 2011, 14:32
I thought long and hard about weather to get a T5 or T4 when I was looking and in the end I went for the T4 as insurance was cheaper and technically it was faster 0-60mph than a T5.

I get on average 31mpg with a combined drive to work but thats not thrashing it nor dawdling.

I do think that the T4's are far more agressive with power delivery than a T5 which is smooth and pulls you to silly speeds in a comfortable way unlike the T4 which seems quite violent and definitely gives you a turbo kick

JUDGENINJA
Monday 12th September 2011, 15:01
I don't think there is much in it, my T5 could carry everything including the kitchen sink and still do silly speeds... My T4 can't fit anything like a Washing machine through the boot hatch, but it still carries quite a bit and as above still flys...

For my style of driving, cos I am a Chav chaser...
Petrol T5 - 20-30MPG.
Petrol T4 - 25-35MPG.

I am not keen on anything from P2 onwards so it would be a V50.
The T4 is probably not as well built as my 850 or the V70, but I am not sure if I could bring myself to buy anything newer from Volvo.

Flatout Phil
Monday 12th September 2011, 15:15
First, I know nothing about T4 and that V70 looks worth a look at the price - yes, it will be a gas guzzler in comparison to a 1.4 Fiesta, but bear in mind the consumption of a comparable sports saloon and it is actually quite good, and you also get loads of practicality.
On V70 T5, if you like a hardcore drive, I would get an 850 rather than a V70 - others will beg to differ, because the V70 is, ostensibly, an updated 850, so should be better: but in my opinion, the 850 (especially a manual R like mine - but even a manual T5 which has a slightly smaller turbo) is just a better drivers car. It also looks better! I would get a T5R a few extra quid: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3127596.htm or if you prefer: an R http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3141077.htm (yes, that one is sold, but there will be others along - and if it has an original M59 gearbox, will have a limited slip differential which is better than not having one...although it isn't the most impressive LSD in the world if I am honest).

http://i791.photobucket.com/albums/yy193/charliepippin/BrandsMay11003.jpg


And so you S/V40 lovers don't feel left out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9ZNJlbsjdw

LiamT4
Monday 12th September 2011, 16:36
I think I must have a heavy right foot...my P1 S40 T4 will only give me 275 miles out of a full tank! ;o)

Having said that my brother has a P2 V70 T5 and after driving it I couldn't wait to get back in to the T4, and he didn't want to give it back! We were driving B-roads and the handling on the T4 is so much better, braking was superior and there is definitely a greater sense of speed.

On the flip side the T5 is like driving with a nuclear reactor under the bonnet instead of an engine; the power delivery is sooo smooth and seemingly never ending! Much better for long distances.

The T4 is best described as having a frantic engine note, very harsh and almost BTCC sounding. The T5 sounds like its gargling cream it's so smooth.

Each to their own, but the T4 gets my vote!

I'd look into it a bit if you are only getting 275miles to a tank, unless you do thrash it everywhere!lol
For me the engine note was more raw than the 5cyls, but not harsh.


I thought long and hard about weather to get a T5 or T4 when I was looking and in the end I went for the T4 as insurance was cheaper and technically it was faster 0-60mph than a T5.

I get on average 31mpg with a combined drive to work but thats not thrashing it nor dawdling.

I do think that the T4's are far more agressive with power delivery than a T5 which is smooth and pulls you to silly speeds in a comfortable way unlike the T4 which seems quite violent and definitely gives you a turbo kick

I was surprised at how aggressive the power delivery was in my t4, lots of torque steer in a straight line (which i like!) and my s70r feels a bit dull in comparison, powerwise.

M-R-P
Monday 12th September 2011, 16:48
With my P2 T-5, you do have to work hard to stop it as quick as a a smaller car, and you do have to hit 6-7k rpm to get awesome performance, but 65mph in second and an easy ton in 3rd and the ability to pull hard in 5th from 80, coupled with that lovely 5 pot roar and ever lasting surge of power makes for a BIG smile all day long. :)

smithy
Monday 12th September 2011, 17:07
I'd look into it a bit if you are only getting 275miles to a tank, unless you do thrash it everywhere!lol
For me the engine note was more raw than the 5cyls, but not harsh.



I was surprised at how aggressive the power delivery was in my t4, lots of torque steer in a straight line (which i like!) and my s70r feels a bit dull in comparison, powerwise.

the t4s are quick even with slight mods they can be rapid like my mates one that is running 18 psi now but still cannot catch my slow 940 though but thats another story.but liam you cannot compare your car to modded t4s because your car is not setup properly yet.stop winging lol

Mr pies
Monday 12th September 2011, 17:17
Hopefully going to have a look at this one this week chaps, what do you think? Bit overpriced?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201136413515637/sort/priceasc/usedcars/price-from/1000/price-to/3000/make/volvo/postcode/b145ht/radius/100/keywords/t4/page/1?logcode=p

smithy
Monday 12th September 2011, 17:25
Hopefully going to have a look at this one this week chaps, what do you think? Bit overpriced?

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201136413515637/sort/priceasc/usedcars/price-from/1000/price-to/3000/make/volvo/postcode/b145ht/radius/100/keywords/t4/page/1?logcode=p

keep an eye on ebay too mate but that is a nice example but abit overpriced as you said

Mr pies
Monday 12th September 2011, 17:26
keep an eye on ebay too mate but that is a nice example but abit overpriced as you said

What would be a good price for that then would you say?

gmain1967
Monday 12th September 2011, 19:02
Yeah but does a T4 sound like an Audi Quattro rally car or 1/2 a Gallardo ?!

T4 is a wicked fast drivers car... but hmmm That T5 sound nom nom....

There's no better feeling than impressing a bunch of wee Neds on a street corner.... or the Blow off from your Turbo making the beat coppers jump and turn around :D (don't worry that's the least of their worries in Maryhill Glasgow!!)

Nope, but it does get mistaken for an Evo with anti-lag now:)

t5_monkey
Monday 12th September 2011, 20:32
Nope, but it does get mistaken for an Evo with anti-lag now:)

Nope haven't been arrested once :D ha ha har...

LiamT4
Monday 12th September 2011, 20:43
the t4s are quick even with slight mods they can be rapid like my mates one that is running 18 psi now but still cannot catch my slow 940 though but thats another story.but liam you cannot compare your car to modded t4s because your car is not setup properly yet.stop winging lol

The only extra mod my t4 had over my s70 was a de-cat. T4 0-100mph was somethin like 14.4s, s70r 0-100mph not less than 16s. (both autos).
I wait for the day when is is set up properly, but it still won't be quicker than the t4 without more serious mods.


Nope, but it does get mistaken for an Evo with anti-lag now:)

When i fitted a mesh grill to my t4 and had the dark wheels a lot of people didn't know what it was. Was going to debadge it and just leave the t4 on, but i wanted people to know that it was a volvo that just wasted them, so left it on.

Mr pies
Monday 12th September 2011, 22:10
Just ran some insurance quotes, and a v70 t5 is £130 cheaper to insure than the t4!

LiamT4
Monday 12th September 2011, 22:14
Just ran some insurance quotes, and a v70 t5 is £130 cheaper to insure than the t4!

Thats insurance companies for you, seem to be different for everyone, for me it was virtually the same for a t4 or t5 and my s70r was £100 more.

siamblue
Monday 12th September 2011, 22:34
No Liam, that isn't it, i just bought a cheapy T4 too run about in, until i can get some money together to get a V40 D sport lux.

This is mine for now 144k, 3 owners, 6month mot 1month tax, bog standard sport model except this is fitted with 2003> Xenons, cost me £600...
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/siamblue/IMAG0131.jpg

Is that your new car?

Thats my fave colour for a t4 and with those wheels it looks perfect.

Even with my t4 being an auto, i could get 500miles out of a tank (just).

Mr pies
Monday 12th September 2011, 22:55
No Liam, that isn't it, i just bought a cheapy T4 too run about in, until i can get some money together to get a V40 D sport lux.

This is mine for now 144k, 3 owners, 6month mot 1month tax, bog standard sport model except this is fitted with 2003> Xenons, cost me £600...
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/siamblue/IMAG0131.jpg

£600!? That's immense, where are these bargains hiding?!

LiamT4
Monday 12th September 2011, 22:57
£600!? That's immense, where are these bargains hiding?!

No idea, i can't seem to bloody find them!! lol

gmotS40T4
Tuesday 13th September 2011, 08:16
I'd look into it a bit if you are only getting 275miles to a tank, unless you do thrash it everywhere!lol
For me the engine note was more raw than the 5cyls, but not harsh.

My car is mechanically perfect so I think it's just my driving style! I like to keep flexibility in the engine so it's rarely below 3000rpm. It's the most economical car I own so I'm not complaining!

siamblue
Wednesday 21st September 2011, 22:49
Starting to mod the T4 already, only thing is the bloody ecu is a bitch to custom map, so it's either off the shelf or leave it alone, anyway, bought some 17" wheels and Evo 3 brakes for her now.
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o222/siamblue/IMAG0150.jpg

WOODY T5
Wednesday 21st September 2011, 22:52
looking nice that mate how does the power compare to your old v70