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The Flying Moose
Tuesday 28th June 2011, 23:31
Honestly you would not believe how good it feels to get a spanner in hand after spending four months hitting Landrover starter motors with 4lb sledge hammers! So much so today I went to collect my newly Purchased Volans... not far from my work residence address only 10 miles but I travelled from Lincoln and it was roughly a 90 mile trip.

I was driving pretty steady and was astounded to find after 30 odd miles into the Journey the odometer was reading a massive 40.9 mpg average. I very much put this down to my driving style and the updated 2011 Rica map proivded by Adam.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/Photo-0070.jpg

Anyhow I got back and decided it was time to fit the 302mm conversion onto the old bus from the T5-R. I never fitted the original conversion onto the T5-R and was astounded to see the size difference when the discs were put together. The 302mm discs had a fair amount of surface corrosion from 6 months in the garage so a rub down with emery paper soon sorted that out.

Here are a few comparrison shots.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/Photo-0073.jpg

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I also got sick of the drone from the custom stainless exhuast I had installed so had a second silencer installed at the rear of the car. Its much quieter in the low revs and when your light footed but bizarely the rev range for the "droning effect" has just gotten higher? Its moved from droning at 1.5-2.5k to 2-3k.

Volans and 302's fitted, now just the head to re-build 19T to fit and greens with custom map and away we go!

She's starting to look like an R replica... picking up a dark R interior tomorrow too :)

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/Photo-0077.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/Photo-0079.jpg

Tomcat
Tuesday 28th June 2011, 23:33
Nice.....always like the grey one's. Have you not thought it could be a loose baffle in the original silencer?, sounds like it could be if the drone is still there.

AndysR
Tuesday 28th June 2011, 23:40
Cars looking great Emlyn, Brakes are quite a bit bigger when compared side by side as you've done. Hopefully see it in the flesh on Sunday.

The Flying Moose
Tuesday 28th June 2011, 23:47
Nice.....always like the grey one's. Have you not thought it could be a loose baffle in the original silencer?, sounds like it could be if the drone is still there.

Cheers TC, definately my favourite colour. Well the car had the exhaust fitted brand new in February just before I went to the Falklands and its done around 2-300 miles since. So Im pretty doubtful the baffle is loose but it may have been faulty from the start. It has been de-catted too and I think the larger 2.5 inch pipe rather than stcok 2.25 makes a difference too.


Cars looking great Emlyn, Brakes are quite a bit bigger when compared side by side as you've done. Hopefully see it in the flesh on Sunday.

Thanks Andy, I really didnt think the brakes were that much bigger until side by side as whats 22mm? The picture where they overlap is one directly ontop of the centre of the other.

Hopefully I will have my finger out and have washed it by then! Volans a little tatty and need a refurb but thats low on the priorities at the moment.

Out of interest can you tell its been lowered? Its on the H&R 30mm drop springs from the 854 T5-R. The back sits perfectly as they are softer saloon springs but the front seems a little high to me.

martybelfastt5
Tuesday 28th June 2011, 23:56
looking good ,,,

deathrider311271
Tuesday 28th June 2011, 23:58
if your coming down on Thursday evening to the meet compare it to mine, mine has been dropped 40mm with Eibach springs

simon

tattoo101
Wednesday 29th June 2011, 00:02
looking nice :)

The Flying Moose
Wednesday 29th June 2011, 00:10
if your coming down on Thursday evening to the meet compare it to mine, mine has been dropped 40mm with Eibach springs

simon

Hi Simon, unfortunately I wont be able to make Thursday after all my blooming promises I am best man at a Wedding on Friday and as its a considerable distance from my house to the Venue I will be heading down the night before and staying in a travel lodge.

You have my word I will be at next months.

WOODY T5
Wednesday 29th June 2011, 00:13
looking good now with them R wheels on mate

The Flying Moose
Wednesday 29th June 2011, 00:17
looking good now with them R wheels on mate

Cheers bud, they suit it now but strangely didnt with the standard T5 bumper. Perhaps its because the last set I had were bright silver too.

Been out for fuel tonight and the ride is far more forgiving than with the VST's on. The tyres were that bad that I could feel it loosing grip doing 40 in the rain earlier.

T5frankie
Wednesday 29th June 2011, 05:32
Nice mate

andyb1375
Wednesday 29th June 2011, 07:34
I think the wheels look good mate

cherry1809
Wednesday 29th June 2011, 08:51
Looking sweet!

siamblue
Wednesday 29th June 2011, 13:45
Looking nice mate, glad you are back here in blighty. the back is probably dropping so much it is pulling the front up slightly,


Gary.

Niles
Wednesday 29th June 2011, 18:37
.....850R interior installed today.

Jim S70R
Wednesday 29th June 2011, 20:45
Looking good ;)

floppy69
Wednesday 29th June 2011, 22:50
tasty....very tasty:eye-poppi

The Flying Moose
Thursday 30th June 2011, 00:52
.....850R interior installed today.

Indeed it was, thanks very much Niles and Justin (t5lover) for helping fit it and more importantly getting the electrics working. Was good to meet the pair of you.

Also picking up a shiny newly refurbed 19T :)

Here are a few shots from the meet. Excuse phone camera quality, the good photo is one of snoop's.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/850rx3-6573.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/Photo-0084.jpg

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p fandango
Thursday 30th June 2011, 02:54
i'd seen the pics on facebook but hadn't twigged the 3rd one was yours, all 3 look very nice. I hope you didn't leave your keys around if you met t5lover, he's like a magpie when it comes to keyfobs & can't leave them alone lol

Jim S70R
Thursday 30th June 2011, 21:15
Great pics, be good if you can make the essex meet.

AndysR
Thursday 30th June 2011, 21:42
Thanks Andy, I really didnt think the brakes were that much bigger until side by side as whats 22mm? The picture where they overlap is one directly ontop of the centre of the other.

Hopefully I will have my finger out and have washed it by then! Volans a little tatty and need a refurb but thats low on the priorities at the moment.

Out of interest can you tell its been lowered? Its on the H&R 30mm drop springs from the 854 T5-R. The back sits perfectly as they are softer saloon springs but the front seems a little high to me.

Yes it was the overlapping shot that I was really referring to..

Washed by then? I'll be lucky if i get mine fueled before Sunday at this rate, no need to make excuses about the condition of the wheels mines certainly no oil painting and is in need of work to the exterior to tidy...

If I'm honest I'd say the front looks a little high but it may settle slighty and level out over time once you driven it a little bit.


Nice shots, cars all looking well.

The Flying Moose
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 21:47
Got a few photo's today of the interior fitted and the Volans a little cleaner than they were, I intended on cleaning it again but ran out of daylight. She'll be getting a wash and polish before being released onto the road tomorrow. Whilst at with Niles and t5lover we also added a rubber guard around the BSR air filter, it looks better and im sure its better too at reducing the heat allowed to reach the filter.

Oh and a lurvely fully refurbished 19T :)

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I also started to apply some Auto Glym bumper restoration treatment. Its going to take a bit of work but its already coming up better than before.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P70201101600x1200.jpg

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LiamT4
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 21:49
Looks good mate, but needs a rip kit, so does mine :wink:

The Flying Moose
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 21:53
Looks good mate, but needs a rip kit, so does mine :wink:

Im in the process of making some more. I have gone for the 2.5" pipework this time rather than 3". This is because no matter what size you use you will always need to reduce or expand joints. Im trying to make one single piece which will go accross the top of the engine so only silicone joints at each end.

I have a plan for making you one to fit now too. I just need to get some cash together then we should have no problems fitting you one, you'll just have to tell me which diameter pipe you want.

LiamT4
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 21:58
Im in the process of making some more. I have gone for the 2.5" pipework this time rather than 3". This is because no matter what size you use you will always need to reduce or expand joints. Im trying to make one single piece which will go accross the top of the engine so only silicone joints at each end.

I have a plan for making you one to fit now too. I just need to get some cash together then we should have no problems fitting you one, you'll just have to tell me which diameter pipe you want.

It would be easiest for me if you tell me how much cash you need to make me one then i'll give you the cash for you get the stuff for me, as you know far more than me.
Same goes with replacing my pipes and hoses with braided stuff, you tell me how much you need to get the stuff and i'll send it so you can buy it, as i'll probably get the wrong stuff.

The Flying Moose
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 22:01
It would be easiest for me if you tell me how much cash you need to make me one then i'll give you the cash for you get the stuff for me, as you know far more than me.
Same goes with replacing my pipes and hoses with braided stuff, you tell me how much you need to get the stuff and i'll send it so you can buy it, as i'll probably get the wrong stuff.

No worries Liam, what sort of style do you want? Were you happy with the one we were trying to fit to your car? If so a 3" system like Duanes made with aluminium and blue silicone joints.

Basically what I need is whether you want 2.5 or 3 inch pipe, the colour of silicone and thats about it really. The VAC pipes are easy, ill buy a load of SAE braided fuel line... its only about a fiver for 2-3 meters so no worries on that front.

Jamest5r
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 22:07
Hi Moose, lokking good :), but move the horn's, lose the phone holder and boot polish works wonders on the bumpers :)

LiamT4
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 22:07
No worries Liam, what sort of style do you want? Were you happy with the one we were trying to fit to your car? If so a 3" system like Duanes made with aluminium and blue silicone joints.

Basically what I need is whether you want 2.5 or 3 inch pipe, the colour of silicone and thats about it really. The VAC pipes are easy, ill buy a load of SAE braided fuel line... its only about a fiver for 2-3 meters so no worries on that front.

The one we were fitting to my car was fine. If i knew which diameter was best i'd want that one! lol
Blue is fine, not sure which diameter is best, so not really bothered, as both will be better than the current setup.

if a actually start modding the damn thing then more chance i have of keeping it.

The Flying Moose
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 22:15
Hi Moose, lokking good :), but move the horn's, lose the phone holder and boot polish works wonders on the bumpers :)

Them damn horns have been bugging me for ages just havnt ever remembered them when I have been working on the car. Phone holder is going I only needed it to hold the camera the other day trying to do a "film".

I have even heard peanut butter is the dogs ££££££££ for bumpers.

The Flying Moose
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 22:17
The one we were fitting to my car was fine. If i knew which diameter was best i'd want that one! lol
Blue is fine, not sure which diameter is best, so not really bothered, as both will be better than the current setup.

if a actually start modding the damn thing then more chance i have of keeping it.

No worries I send off a few emails and get some prices back to you by Monday night mate if that sounds ok, all thats left after that is getting over and fitting it all.

Im even thinking of maybe tying everything in one day and going from yours to sheffield to sort james and his turbo out.

LiamT4
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 22:18
Them damn horns have been bugging me for ages just havnt ever remembered them when I have been working on the car. Phone holder is going I only needed it to hold the camera the other day trying to do a "film".

I have even heard peanut butter is the dogs ££££££££ for bumpers.

Thats why i'm looking for a new grill, with the black mesh one (thats on now) from a distance it looks like theres no grill at all.
Although they look good on the saffy ones, thay just don't suit the silver ones.

AndysR
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 22:32
Looking good, interior looks well at home in there, not sure if I've mentioned this before but the colour is spot on ;)

The Flying Moose
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 22:36
Looking good, interior looks well at home in there, not sure if I've mentioned this before but the colour is spot on ;)

Cheers Andy,

It will be intersting to see your colour against mine as after meeting Niles with his 850R it would seem mine although a dark grey is a lighter shade of grey than his and Im sure yours probably is too. Either way grey is the way forward :worship:

AndysR
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 22:39
Cheers Andy,

It will be intersting to see your colour against mine as after meeting Niles with his 850R it would seem mine although a dark grey is a lighter shade of grey than his and Im sure yours probably is too. Either way grey is the way forward :worship:

Well then you know what to do if you want to see the car alongside mine tomorrow... ;)

I think I'm going to have to bring my camera along, I feel a few obligatory snaps coming along not to mention an update for the sig...

LiamT4
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 22:40
Cheers Andy,

It will be intersting to see your colour against mine as after meeting Niles with his 850R it would seem mine although a dark grey is a lighter shade of grey than his and Im sure yours probably is too. Either way grey is the way forward :worship:

If you get a chance to have a go in, or see how quick andysr car is, let me know, as its an auto, so be good to hear about the possibilties.

The Flying Moose
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 22:45
If you get a chance to have a go in, or see how quick andysr car is, let me know, as its an auto, so be good to hear about the possibilties.

Of course... with the spec list he is currently wielding I dare say it will be impressive. People always underestimate auto's I think. After having driven a standard Auto 850R and a Manual mapped 850 T5 the auto although it wasnt certainly felt quicker by the way the power was delivered.

AndysR
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 22:47
If you get a chance to have a go in, or see how quick andysr car is, let me know, as its an auto, so be good to hear about the possibilties.


Come down and I'll take you for a spin in it...

The Flying Moose
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 22:53
Come down and I'll take you for a spin in it...

Surely thats an offer you cant refuse Liam!

If I were heading from North I would have spun by and picked you and pedro up mate, however unfortunately in this instance Im coming from "darn sarth".

WOODY T5
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 22:53
Them damn horns have been bugging me for ages just havnt ever remembered them when I have been working on the car. Phone holder is going I only needed it to hold the camera the other day trying to do a "film".

I have even heard peanut butter is the dogs ££££££££ for bumpers.looks nice that now mate.now get that peanut butter out and make it shiny

LiamT4
Saturday 2nd July 2011, 23:59
Come down and I'll take you for a spin in it...


Surely thats an offer you cant refuse Liam!

If I were heading from North I would have spun by and picked you and pedro up mate, however unfortunately in this instance Im coming from "darn sarth".

I ought to really, after all, if i'm prepared to pay 1000s on tuning the old girl then i shoild be prepared to pay £80 odd to travel a bit to try a good un.

One thing i would say to you emlyn, is that since i'v moved, although i have a drive, its on a an angle so that if you wanted to get under the car it would be tricky. (its not tarmac either, just stone)

T5frankie
Sunday 3rd July 2011, 00:26
Cheers Andy,

It will be intersting to see your colour against mine as after meeting Niles with his 850R it would seem mine although a dark grey is a lighter shade of grey than his and Im sure yours probably is too. Either way grey is the way forward :worship:

grey is the way forward????? pmsl

The Flying Moose
Sunday 3rd July 2011, 00:29
grey is the way forward????? pmsl

Everyone goes grey at some Frankie just a case of how and when.

The Flying Moose
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 18:16
Well thanks with the help of smithness last night we got cracking and fitted my 19T. It was a bit experimental really as I needed to confirm that the valve stem seals were gone on the car and not the turbo oil seals. So to avoid needing to change the straight flange downpipe to an angled one we used the 15G/16T flange bolted to the 19T. The only difference being the 19T is 3" Angled and the 15G/16T is 2.5" and straight.

Needless to say even with the whites fitted the car is pulling like a train! I have turned the boost right down until the greens are fitted to prevent the car leaning out.

I spent today giving the car a thorough service, its had a fresh 6L of Millers 10w40 XFS, fuel filter, oil filter and a set of NGK Platinums. Once this was finished I set out removing the inlet manifold from my old "donor" engine and began porting it to accept a ported and polished throttle body. There is quite a difference in size so it should spool much better.

Next job is cleaning the inlet out, polishing it up and fitting it all on. I also have a complete PCV breather system to fit too.

Here are a few pics.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P70401311600x1200.jpg

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The Flying Moose
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 18:18
I can confirm now that the valve stem seals are completely shot! The 19T pushing through more air has made it almost unbearable. Its definately not the turbo as its been fully rebuilt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyOaXgHBatw

leet5r
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 18:22
you sure thats the oil seals , the smoke looks white which will be water m8
edit cars coming along nicely now m8 , well done

Jamest5r
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 18:28
you sure thats the oil seals , the smoke looks white which will be water m8
edit cars coming along nicely now m8 , well done

Your going colour blind mate :)

The Flying Moose
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 18:37
Your going colour blind mate :)

Whats even more embarrasing is that I am colourblind and even I can tell thats blue smoke!!!

AndysR
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 19:28
Nice work so far Emlyn. Shame about the smoking, like you say It does seem very characteristically like valve stem oil seals as it clears when you hold the revs but starts on the initial rev and on deceleration. My Orion's original CVH used to do that until the stems seals were done, quite common on the CVH, after they were replaced it didn't smoke or use a drop of oil between changes. Is it a lot of work to change the stem seals on these? The CVH has a special tool which means you can replace the seals without removing the head is that possible on these Volvo engines or is it a head off job?

T5frankie
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 19:34
looks the same as mine mate

AndysR
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 19:36
looks the same as mine mate

I always though you had a gold V70 :cuckoo:

T5frankie
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 19:40
I always though you had a gold V70 :cuckoo:

the smoking issue lol

AndysR
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 19:43
the smoking issue lol

Yeah yeah, It's okay I used stand what you meant is you really want a grey 850... But it came out all wrong.... ;)

Jim S70R
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 19:45
Looks like you've been busy, great job on getting the 19t fitted :)
Do you polish the hole inlet manifold or just were it meets the larger throttle body? What exhaust manifold are you running to?

T5frankie
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 19:46
Yeah yeah, It's okay I used stand what you meant is you really want a grey 850... But it came out all wrong.... ;)

grey? thats the colour of olden days, of misery and black and white films, thats the colour of boredom and the colour you choose so no-one notices you, HAIL the saffron v70R, long live the king of volvos

siamblue
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 20:07
grey? thats the colour of olden days, of misery and black and white films, thats the colour of boredom and the colour you choose so no-one notices you, HAIL the saffron v70R, long live the king of volvos

Grey is for when you are old and confused, lol..

The Flying Moose
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 20:08
Nice work so far Emlyn. Shame about the smoking, like you say It does seem very characteristically like valve stem oil seals as it clears when you hold the revs but starts on the initial rev and on deceleration. My Orion's original CVH used to do that until the stems seals were done, quite common on the CVH, after they were replaced it didn't smoke or use a drop of oil between changes. Is it a lot of work to change the stem seals on these? The CVH has a special tool which means you can replace the seals without removing the head is that possible on these Volvo engines or is it a head off job?

Unfortunately its a head off job Andy, means new head bolts, gasket kit and seals. It will also require the valve's grinding and the head skimming. Whilst your at it mean as well do the cambelt and water pump too. All in should cost about £150.


Looks like you've been busy, great job on getting the 19t fitted :)
Do you polish the hole inlet manifold or just were it meets the larger throttle body? What exhaust manifold are you running to?

I have just ported and polished the throttle body inlet. At the moment I am running the standard T5 exhaust manifold, the ME7 or R should be better but the other option is to grind out the vanes in the T5 to improve it without it costing more than a couple of dremel bits.


grey? thats the colour of olden days, of misery and black and white films, thats the colour of boredom and the colour you choose so no-one notices you, HAIL the saffron v70R, long live the king of volvos

Frankie, Frankie, Frankie... I would say its Jealousy but i'd probably be wrong. Anyhow isnt the whole point of the estate's the "sleeper" effect? I mean a saloon going fast is understandable to a degree but everyone is always amazed when a dull normal looking estate flies! The problem with saffron is that you think it must be something special to be that colour thus it looses the "wow" effect.

AndysR
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 20:11
grey? thats the colour of olden days, of misery and black and white films, thats the colour of boredom and the colour you choose so no-one notices you, HAIL the saffron v70R, long live the king of volvos

Yeah your right all hail the Jaffa...... Oh.... ;)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTN6Du3MCgI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

T5frankie
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 20:13
Unfortunately its a head off job Andy, means new head bolts, gasket kit and seals. It will also require the valve's grinding and the head skimming. Whilst your at it mean as well do the cambelt and water pump too. All in should cost about £150.



I have just ported and polished the throttle body inlet. At the moment I am running the standard T5 exhaust manifold, the ME7 or R should be better but the other option is to grind out the vanes in the T5 to improve it without it costing more than a couple of dremel bits.



Frankie, Frankie, Frankie... I would say its Jealousy but i'd probably be wrong. Anyhow isnt the whole point of the estate's the "sleeper" effect? I mean a saloon going fast is understandable to a degree but everyone is always amazed when a dull normal looking estate flies! The problem with saffron is that you think it must be something special to be that colour thus it looses the "wow" effect.

my car is a massive headturner visually and the sound which is how i like it as i like to show off, it's got to catch the eye to notice it in the first place, and i know you'd love a saffy

The Flying Moose
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 20:14
my car is a massive headturner visually and the sound which is how i like it as i like to show off, it's got to catch the eye to notice it in the first place, and i know you'd love a saffy

You know what I have always had a soft spot for the laser blue ones... similar in your face colour to the saffron I think too.

T5frankie
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 20:15
You know what I have always had a soft spot for the laser blue ones... similar in your face colour to the saffron I think too.

yeah but autos only

T5frankie
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 20:18
Yeah your right all hail the Jaffa...... Oh.... ;)




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTN6Du3MCgI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

i had to go to a gay bar with my missus for her cousins birthday (lezza) funnily enough i ended up smacking this geezer twice cos he tried to bottle me for warning him away from my brothers missus, lol, more straight than poofs in those places lol

AndysR
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 20:53
i had to go to a gay bar with my missus for her cousins birthday (lezza) funnily enough i ended up smacking this geezer twice cos he tried to bottle me for warning him away from my brothers missus, lol, more straight than poofs in those places lol

Wouldn't know mate not a frequent flyer, although thanks for the heads up. Lol glad you enjoyed yourself though... Pmsl...

T5frankie
Tuesday 5th July 2011, 21:00
Wouldn't know mate not a frequent flyer, although thanks for the heads up. Lol glad you enjoyed yourself though... Pmsl...

lmfao, i had to leg it down the road away from the bouncers lol

The Flying Moose
Thursday 7th July 2011, 23:06
Managed to get the head removed today. A little dawning as I had never done anything on this scale before but afterwards you realise as with all things automotive its only nuts and bolts!

Andy is very kindly helping me to rebuild and fit the head. We removed one of the valves from the donor head and there was little or no movement so luckily they are good to go back in after a cleanup. The valve stem seals however were very brittle. Now this engine wasnt smoking so the seals in mine must be practically non existant. There was also some oil on top of the cylinders which would make sense for seals in that condition.

Just needs the new seals putting in, valve's cleaning and the head skimming and away we go for another 100k ;)

You dont know how long these photo's took to upload on this connection seriously I could have driven to and placed them in the server quicker than they uploaded to it.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P70701871600x1200.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P70701881600x1200.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P70701891600x1200.jpg

AndysR
Friday 8th July 2011, 21:23
Good to see it's all going to plan so far and that, fingers crossed, it's going to be an economically efficent repair.

Oh.... I'll get that medal across asap for your patience while uploading the pictures..... ;)

t5 pete
Friday 8th July 2011, 21:29
looking good emlyn when you are fitting the new seals make sure that they are seated propley.

The Flying Moose
Friday 8th July 2011, 21:53
Cheers Pete. Luckily the head on the donor engine is in good condition. Need to spend a few hours with white spirit and a cloth now, just get it all cleaned up and de-greased.

Here is the head :)

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P70701931600x1200.jpg

p fandango
Friday 8th July 2011, 21:55
should of fit some different cams while the head's off mate

The Flying Moose
Friday 8th July 2011, 21:57
should of fit some different cams while the head's off mate

Should of... its not been re-fitted yet mate!

Besides we dont all live in the world of Fandango where everyone has a money tree, three women and a Donkey.

Could I afford new cams... not a chance. I can only just afford the head re-build.

p fandango
Friday 8th July 2011, 21:59
Should of... its not been re-fitted yet mate!

Besides we dont all live in the world of Fandango where everyone has a money tree, three women and a Donkey.

Could I afford new cams... not a chance. I can only just afford the head re-build.
Piper ones are about £250 i believe, or NA's can be picked up dirt cheap (think i sold mine for £40)

PS i sold the Donkey lol

JT
Friday 8th July 2011, 22:30
oh just what I have to look forward to over the winter.....joy
cant wait! lol

The Flying Moose
Saturday 9th July 2011, 12:22
oh just what I have to look forward to over the winter.....joy
cant wait! lol

Once all tha ancilliaries are removed taking the head to pieces is a real dodle. First time I have done one and it took me no more than an hour to get the head off once the manifolds were out the way.

p fandango
Saturday 9th July 2011, 12:36
Once all tha ancilliaries are removed taking the head to pieces is a real dodle. First time I have done one and it took me no more than an hour to get the head off once the manifolds were out the way.
might have some work for you soon then :wink:

The Flying Moose
Saturday 9th July 2011, 12:47
might have some work for you soon then :wink:

Haha... you have my number! ;)

Lets just see how mine works out first eh.

The Flying Moose
Sunday 17th July 2011, 19:08
Well nothing new to report for now at least.

The head is in for skimming and will probably be fitted now after Avon. Waiting on a 16T to arrive in the post too and providing that gets here on time that will be fitted for Avon too.

I did have the opportunity to substitute the Rica ecu out for an MTE Stage two and I have to say the MTE was far more aggressive and seemed to pick up well. I think I will have to go down the MTE route when funds permit.

So on the list to do is the following at present:
- Fit 16T
- Fit Ported Inlet Manifold
- Fit Tim Williams ported Throttle body
- Fit Reverse Intercooler pipework kit. (made just needs me to get my finger out!)
- Fit Refurbed Head
- Fit new PCV system
- Fit Ported Exhaust manifold

I have everything now but it seems daft fitting the manifold, PCV and throttle body until the head is done as it will all need to come off again.

Here are a few pics after todays cross country journey from Hull to Kings Lynn.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P71502271600x1200.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P71702371600x1200.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P71702361600x1200.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P71702311600x1200.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P71702291600x1200.jpg

T5frankie
Sunday 17th July 2011, 19:10
looking good son

si850r
Sunday 17th July 2011, 19:20
lmfao, i had to leg it down the road away from the bouncers lol

is that known as a hit and run ......:uglyhamme

WOODY T5
Sunday 17th July 2011, 19:44
Well nothing new to report for now at least.

The head is in for skimming and will probably be fitted now after Avon. Waiting on a 16T to arrive in the post too and providing that gets here on time that will be fitted for Avon too.

I did have the opportunity to substitute the Rica ecu out for an MTE Stage two and I have to say the MTE was far more aggressive and seemed to pick up well. I think I will have to go down the MTE route when funds permit.

So on the list to do is the following at present:
- Fit 16T
- Fit Ported Inlet Manifold
- Fit Tim Williams ported Throttle body
- Fit Reverse Intercooler pipework kit. (made just needs me to get my finger out!)
- Fit Refurbed Head
- Fit new PCV system
- Fit Ported Exhaust manifold

I have everything now but it seems daft fitting the manifold, PCV and throttle body until the head is done as it will all need to come off again.

Here are a few pics after todays cross country journey from Hull to Kings Lynn.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P71502271600x1200.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P71702371600x1200.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P71702361600x1200.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P71702311600x1200.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P71702291600x1200.jpgsome nice pics MATE. where did u get the MTE ecu from?????

Al115
Sunday 17th July 2011, 20:03
Nice... keep going... :)

The Flying Moose
Sunday 17th July 2011, 21:14
some nice pics MATE. where did u get the MTE ecu from?????

Oh erm let me think about that one... I wonder perhaps a certain 854 T5. Couldnt possibly comment.

AndysR
Monday 18th July 2011, 21:03
Looking smart there, nice shots! Future mod's sound very interesting will be interesting to see the car on the move when it's all done.

antz
Monday 18th July 2011, 21:24
gotta love some humber bridge pics!

The Flying Moose
Tuesday 19th July 2011, 19:36
Looking smart there, nice shots! Future mod's sound very interesting will be interesting to see the car on the move when it's all done.

Cheers Andy, my main focus is to make the car spool up quickly and to have fast and responsive throttle control. I am not after an epically quick machine just one that drives well and has a "healthy" amount of midrange power.


gotta love some humber bridge pics!

I do admit I have a bit of a fascination with Bridges, I love architecture and bridges are to me one of the most amazing things ever built by man.

martybelfastt5
Tuesday 19th July 2011, 23:34
that is a serious bridge dont think anyone could look at that and not be amazed,,

antz
Wednesday 20th July 2011, 22:55
that is a serious bridge dont think anyone could look at that and not be amazed,,

when you see how much it costs to cross it youll soon scream in horror though!

The Flying Moose
Wednesday 20th July 2011, 23:30
when you see how much it costs to cross it youll soon scream in horror though!

I crossed with a car Trailer weekend just passed, £4.90!!! Ouch oh and not forgetting another on the way back :(

deathrider311271
Wednesday 20th July 2011, 23:33
I crossed with a car Trailer weekend just passed, £4.90!!! Ouch oh and not forgetting another on the way back :(

and its going up again next month

The Flying Moose
Wednesday 20th July 2011, 23:40
and its going up again next month

Marvelous, £2.70 to what?

WOODY T5
Wednesday 20th July 2011, 23:45
3.00 pound bud:-(

The Flying Moose
Thursday 21st July 2011, 14:54
3.00 pound bud:-(

Jesus christ! I am going to have to build a raft that will fit a Volvo 850 estate and an outboard motor on...

The Flying Moose
Monday 25th July 2011, 17:42
Project "Beast" has been put on hold again after antics yesterday.

After racing at Avon a few of us went for a refreshing beverage before parting our separate ways.

To cut a long story short I selected reverse, the car went "bang" and oil started streaming everywhere.

143 miles, a four hour wait for recovery and a four hour drive back at 2am I was home.

Here are a few pictures of the damage.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P7250029.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P7250030.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P7250032.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P7250034.jpg

It also appears I have a leak near the oil cooler pipes

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P7250037.jpg

Jim S70R
Monday 25th July 2011, 20:46
Ouch 2AM!!! Hope you Didnt have to work today. Atleast you got some good times in before it died ;)

AndysR
Monday 25th July 2011, 20:51
Jesus! How in the world did that happen? Is it possible you bent something in the box slightly when doing the launches yesterday on the strip?

Shame it happened but at least it didn't happen on the strip where the world could see even if it did result in a 2am return home.

If you need any help etc, not that I'd be much help, I am more than happy to commit a few weekends to a worthy rebuild cause. Apparantly I make a good cuppa if nothing else and after what you did for me with the intercooler I feel like it would be a favour returned...

Wobbly Dave
Monday 25th July 2011, 21:01
I have a complete casing - shot blasted (very shiny) all the internals - bit of a jigsaw - but you are welcome to have it for a small fee.

The Flying Moose
Monday 25th July 2011, 21:11
Ouch 2AM!!! Hope you Didnt have to work today. Atleast you got some good times in before it died ;)

Sort of justifies the whole vendeta doesnt it eh!

The RAC were called at 6pm and arrived at 1030. 143miles in a lorry takes a while. At least its all home and it cost nothing to get it recovered.


Jesus! How in the world did that happen? Is it possible you bent something in the box slightly when doing the launches yesterday on the strip?

Shame it happened but at least it didn't happen on the strip where the world could see even if it did result in a 2am return home.

If you need any help etc, not that I'd be much help, I am more than happy to commit a few weekends to a worthy rebuild cause. Apparantly I make a good cuppa if nothing else and after what you did for me with the intercooler I feel like it would be a favour returned...

Im not sure I could bear the embarrassment if it happened on the strip... after the incident with Jonny too no doubt the Volvo Performance Club would have been banned!!!

Im not sure entirely how it happened. I can only assume something like a selector fork or a part of the diff (which I think is more likely) worked its way loose and the speed of the internal parts launched it against the casing causing it to crack. Its definately internal.

The box on the car was only replaced around 10k ago but it was a 210K box removed from Fridge movers car so was already tired when it was installled. I dare say the strip wont have helped the box but it must have been worn already as four launch starts wouldnt destroy a transmition.

Also I really appreciate your offer Andy thanks, just need to source a box now.


I have a complete casing - shot blasted (very shiny) all the internals - bit of a jigsaw - but you are welcome to have it for a small fee.

Cheers Dave very much appreciated. I have a few other guys (jamest5r, smithy and smithness) keeping an eye out for boxes.

Preferably of course I would like to find one intact however I may well end up taking you up on your offer and learning how to cobble together a new 3d Volvo jigsaw.

Thanks also to Wobbly Dave and Joe (rockheadrumble) for sticking around until everything was sorted. I really appreciate the help it means alot.

Wobbly Dave
Monday 25th July 2011, 21:19
I spoke to Hamish about it - and without prompting he said the diff. The spare open diff I have is good to go, as is the spare casing.

You could always use the opportuning to stick in an LSD?

The Flying Moose
Monday 25th July 2011, 21:36
I spoke to Hamish about it - and without prompting he said the diff. The spare open diff I have is good to go, as is the spare casing.

You could always use the opportuning to stick in an LSD?

Thats what I though too after speaking with Dean.

I only wish I had the money for a Diff Dave. I would love a gripper diff. There is however no way within the next couple of months I could afford one and cant afford to keep the car off the road that long.

There is one major plus to this occuring however... it gives me an excuse to sort the rear main seal and that blasted clutch thrust release bearing!!!

AndysR
Monday 25th July 2011, 21:37
The RAC were called at 6pm and arrived at 1030. 143miles in a lorry takes a while. At least its all home and it cost nothing to get it recovered.

Yeah I guess it does, not to mention loading and unloading the car. Was it still maneuverable under it's own steam?




Im not sure I could bear the embarrassment if it happened on the strip... after the incident with Jonny too no doubt the Volvo Performance Club would have been banned!!!

That's what I was getting at, and perhaps as a plus point at least you could enjoy another couple of beers waiting for the tow truck.




Im not sure entirely how it happened. I can only assume something like a selector fork or a part of the diff (which I think is more likely) worked its way loose and the speed of the internal parts launched it against the casing causing it to crack. Its definately internal.

The box on the car was only replaced around 10k ago but it was a 210K box removed from Fridge movers car so was already tired when it was installled. I dare say the strip wont have helped the box but it must have been worn already as four launch starts wouldnt destroy a transmition.

Ah so it wasn't a spring chicken. Perhaps you could convert it to auto :rolling_e




Also I really appreciate your offer Andy thanks, just need to source a box now.


No problem, as I said I am still in you debt so happy to help, and isn't that what this community is about? Genuine people clubbing together to help another out, well that's certainly what I've learned about VPC so far. Not come across another forum quite the same yet and certainly not seen any other chavy sites which follow a similar behaviour trend, but then I don't go on any chavy sites so I can't really comment I guess! :hidesbehi

Just give me a shout if you want to call the favour in ;)

The Flying Moose
Monday 25th July 2011, 21:50
Yeah I guess it does, not to mention loading and unloading the car. Was it still maneuverable under it's own steam?

Yeah it still moved. I drove it off the recovery truck and into its place of rest. It wouldnt be long however before the box siezed.


Ah so it wasn't a spring chicken. Perhaps you could convert it to auto :rolling_e

You know what... I wouldnt mind an Auto, I very much like them. For me however a petrol perfomance car always has to be manual. A D5 auto however is a very tempting combination.


No problem, as I said I am still in you debt so happy to help, and isn't that what this community is about? Genuine people clubbing together to help another out, well that's certainly what I've learned about VPC so far. Not come across another forum quite the same yet and certainly not seen any other chavy sites which follow a similar behaviour trend, but then I don't go on any chavy sites so I can't really comment I guess! :hidesbehi

Just give me a shout if you want to call the favour in ;)

Like I said at the time Andy you owe nothing for it, everyone needs a favour from time to time. Out of interest is that the intercooler that is currently fitted to your car? If so obviously a key factor in the 14.4 time :hidesbehi

Chavy sites? You want to be careful there my friend some may think you are talking from... "The Dark Side of the Volvo underworld"

LiamT4
Monday 25th July 2011, 21:55
Oh dear, not a good end of the day for some people, knowing you though it'll be sorted pretty soon.

The Flying Moose
Monday 25th July 2011, 21:59
Oh dear, not a good end of the day for some people, knowing you though it'll be sorted pretty soon.

Wasnt a good start either was it! Remember a certain loss of coolant whilst at the start line and a red faced man approaching you asking for a header tank cap?

Give it a couple of weeks mate hopefully it will be sorted. It needs to be by Trax at the latest.

LiamT4
Monday 25th July 2011, 22:08
Wasnt a good start either was it! Remember a certain loss of coolant whilst at the start line and a red faced man approaching you asking for a header tank cap?

Give it a couple of weeks mate hopefully it will be sorted. It needs to be by Trax at the latest.

Forgot about that. lol
After the actuator was sorted, i was going to take it for a test drive, then remembered you had my cap. Wouldn't have been a good idea.

The Flying Moose
Monday 25th July 2011, 22:13
Forgot about that. lol
After the actuator was sorted, i was going to take it for a test drive, then remembered you had my cap. Wouldn't have been a good idea.

No perhaps not!!!

You could say I saved you some money in the process. How did it drive on the way home?

AndysR
Monday 25th July 2011, 22:20
Yeah it still moved. I drove it off the recovery truck and into its place of rest. It wouldnt be long however before the box siezed.



You know what... I wouldnt mind an Auto, I very much like them. For me however a petrol perfomance car always has to be manual. A D5 auto however is a very tempting combination.



Like I said at the time Andy you owe nothing for it, everyone needs a favour from time to time. Out of interest is that the intercooler that is currently fitted to your car? If so obviously a key factor in the 14.4 time :hidesbehi

Chavy sites? You want to be careful there my friend some may think you are talking from... "The Dark Side of the Volvo underworld"

Well with no oil in it that's a certainty...

Yes it is the very same intercooler, I think it was the guy that fitted it that was the crucial determining factor in the 1/4 mile time... ;)

Dark side? Not sure what your saying... The only thing good things about the dark side is it forms part of an epic album title and a bad guy from a particular movie franchise wears an awesome outfit! lol


Wasnt a good start either was it! Remember a certain loss of coolant whilst at the start line and a red faced man approaching you asking for a header tank cap?

Give it a couple of weeks mate hopefully it will be sorted. It needs to be by Trax at the latest.

Fate playing a hand maybe?


Forgot about that. lol
After the actuator was sorted, i was going to take it for a test drive, then remembered you had my cap. Wouldn't have been a good idea.

Ah yeah, how is the car performing now? :)

LiamT4
Monday 25th July 2011, 22:22
No perhaps not!!!

You could say I saved you some money in the process. How did it drive on the way home?

Quite different. Have to give it a lot more to get the car to kickdown and doesn't pull as well at low revs, especially in 3rd and 4th but when the revs do get past about 3.5k it does pull harder.

It's got more lag, but more power higher up. Didn't feel like it was constant boost though, like the boost would rise and fall as the revs rised.

The Flying Moose
Monday 25th July 2011, 22:27
Quite different. Have to give it a lot more to get the car to kickdown and doesn't pull as well at low revs, especially in 3rd and 4th but when the revs do get past about 3.5k it does pull harder.

It's got more lag, but more power higher up. Didn't feel like it was constant boost though, like the boost would rise and fall as the revs rised.

I think from what you are describing you do need a new actuator then. It couldnt have been much tighter when I felt it.

However if you prefer the way the car drives leave it be.

AndysR
Monday 25th July 2011, 22:31
However if you prefer the way the car drives leave it be.

Seriously, just get yourself a new actuator. There not gold dust money so just get it bought you can get them seperately from Volvo I believe.

Out of interest Liam is the car mapped at all?

LiamT4
Monday 25th July 2011, 22:36
I think from what you are describing you do need a new actuator then. It couldnt have been much tighter when I felt it.

However if you prefer the way the car drives leave it be.

I'm missing the low down pull that it had, but it does pull a lot better higher up, think i shocked a noisey celica coming off a roundabout on the way home. lol

Need to get the lag down, should of bought that TB of dean.:doh:

Hopefully i be able to get someone to come out with me this week, get the boost gauge plugged in and see what its really doing now.

Edit. Its got an off the shelf map on it andy.

AndysR
Monday 25th July 2011, 22:38
I'm missing the low down pull that it had, but it does pull a lot better higher up, think i shocked a noisey celica coming off a roundabout on the way home. lol

Need to get the lag down, should of bought that TB of dean.:doh:

Hopefully i be able to get someone to come out with me this week, get the boost gauge plugged in and see what its really doing now.

The car shouldn't be "that" laggy even with a 16T, I know my brothers doesn't really suffer with any....

The Flying Moose
Monday 25th July 2011, 22:44
I'm missing the low down pull that it had, but it does pull a lot better higher up, think i shocked a noisey celica coming off a roundabout on the way home. lol

Need to get the lag down, should of bought that TB of dean.:doh:

Hopefully i be able to get someone to come out with me this week, get the boost gauge plugged in and see what its really doing now.

Edit. Its got an off the shelf map on it andy.

I wish I could nip down Liam that way could kill a few birds with one stone. There will be others but for £20 it was a bargain.


The car shouldn't be "that" laggy even with a 16T, I know my brothers doesn't really suffer with any....

I can vouch for this too the 16T on my car has little lag, there is some but not greatly noticeable.

Jamest5r
Monday 25th July 2011, 22:51
Moose, you think it was anything to do with the short-shift you had on? just throwing the thought out there as it's the only difference you had in the gearbox area, i drove you car a good bit on the sat(where you lost badly at golf to me :)) the gear change was tight i remember our chat about it as it was the 1st time i had tried one.

The Flying Moose
Monday 25th July 2011, 22:56
Moose, you think it was anything to do with the short-shift you had on? just throwing the thought out there as it's the only difference you had in the gearbox area, i drove you car a good bit on the sat(where you lost badly at golf to me :)) the gear change was tight i remember our chat about it as it was the 1st time i had tried one.

I dont think so mate, I know many that have had short shift kits fitted for quite some time and its not had negative effects.

I am just going to put this one down to it being a tired gearbox. It had around 250k on it and I know the previous owner (Fridge Mover) drove it hard.

AndysR
Monday 25th July 2011, 22:57
Edit. Its got an off the shelf map on it andy.

In that case even at stage 1 level your car should be flying with no inconsistancy in boost... Get yourself an actuator sorted and set the boost up then I will ask you again about lag even with a stage one you should be able to run a good level of boost without the need for any sort of MBC, do you know what map it is?

LiamT4
Monday 25th July 2011, 23:09
In that case even at stage 1 level your car should be flying with no inconsistancy in boost... Get yourself an actuator sorted and set the boost up then I will ask you again about lag even with a stage one you should be able to run a good level of boost without the need for any sort of MBC, do you know what map it is?

Its currently on a hlm map, 2nd map the cars had but not sure what the 1st map was as it was done before i got the car.
The current map is better right through the revs than the old one, just need to get the cars little issues sorted.

AndysR
Monday 25th July 2011, 23:13
Its currently on a hlm map, 2nd map the cars had but not sure what the 1st map was as it was done before i got the car.
The current map is better right through the revs than the old one, just need to get the cars little issues sorted.

Yeah I believe the HLM is very similar to the Rica map? I'm sure if you were to sort the little issues you have then you would be quite surprised and gutted at what you've been missing..

LiamT4
Monday 25th July 2011, 23:19
Yeah I believe the HLM is very similar to the Rica map? I'm sure if you were to sort the little issues you have then you would be quite surprised and gutted at what you've been missing..

When i first got it i could tell straight away, even though that would have been with the old actuator on which was totally shagged.
Just need to pull my finger out and start getting the parts i want.

AndysR
Monday 25th July 2011, 23:31
When i first got it i could tell straight away, even though that would have been with the old actuator on which was totally shagged.
Just need to pull my finger out and start getting the parts i want.

Can I quote you on that? lol

siamblue
Tuesday 26th July 2011, 00:02
That was lucky it didn't happen on the strip mate. Lol. You would've been hated Haha.

LiamT4
Tuesday 26th July 2011, 21:07
Can I quote you on that? lol

No! lol

The Flying Moose
Saturday 30th July 2011, 17:34
Well I started the laborious process of removing the old box today. Got a hell of a lot done im pretty much at the point where I need to undo the gearbox bolts and lower the subframe.

Managed to source a M56L with the short ratio diff meaning I will be in 3rd much quicker and as thats where the power sits even changing the gearbox should make the car accelerate quicker.

Here are a few photo's. I have been taking pictures of the whole processs and will post a how to guide once its all complete.

Doesnt look like I have done much but all shafts are removed too.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P7300045.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P7300050.jpg

AndysR
Saturday 30th July 2011, 19:09
Well done, sounds like you've had a very productive day indeed. Be interesting to see the difference with the M56L fitted on the 1/4 mile..

The Flying Moose
Saturday 30th July 2011, 19:43
Indeed it will, should have the car pretty much where I want it by the time I hit the next quarter mile. After which time to concentrate on getting it showroom condition again.

p fandango
Saturday 30th July 2011, 19:52
ratios for the M56L

1st=3.38:1
2nd=1.90:1
3rd=1.19:1
4th=0.87:1
5th=0.70:1

but it looks like they did 3 different final ratios 3.77:1, 4.00:1 or 4.45:1

i want a M56LK, anyone any idea's what its out of LINK (http://www.box.net/shared/5tleisuley)

The Flying Moose
Sunday 31st July 2011, 18:21
ratios for the M56L

1st=3.38:1
2nd=1.90:1
3rd=1.19:1
4th=0.87:1
5th=0.70:1

but it looks like they did 3 different final ratios 3.77:1, 4.00:1 or 4.45:1

i want a M56LK, anyone any idea's what its out of LINK (http://www.box.net/shared/5tleisuley)

This box should be a 4.45 ratio box which is exactly what I was after.

The Flying Moose
Sunday 31st July 2011, 18:24
Well spent another good few hours today prepping the car for the gearbox change. Done enough now for today.

Everything is now undone and the box is loose, ready now to lower the subframe tomorrow, remove the gearbox, remove the clutch, replace the RMS and Flywheel, refit the clutch and new thrust release bearing, fill it with oil and wonder where the hell all these electrical connectors plug back into.

Smithness has very kindly offered to nip down and help me finish the job so it should be done in no time. Unfortunately however I did also notice the drivers CV gaitor is shot :(

LiamT4
Sunday 31st July 2011, 19:52
Thought i'd reply on your thread mate so we wouldn't go off topic on daves for sale thread.

Yeah i'v had a 2nd hand apexi avcr for a while now, just not got round to plugging it in. Pedro was going to do it for me a while back but it was chucking it down that weekend so couldn't get done.

The Flying Moose
Monday 1st August 2011, 22:26
Well got the car finished today :)

It was certainly a productive morning and afternoon, managed to get the engine lowered, old box off, replaced the clutch thrust bearing, replaced the rear main seal and replaced the flywheel... not forgetting of course the new gearbox was fitted too.

The car is now running and fired into life first time with no drama's whatsoever. Drives really well now with a smooth and easy to operate clutch and best of all no shudder on acceleration from the previously unbalanced flywheel.

Many thanks to Smithness for coming down and helping me to lower the subframe and get the box on. Doesnt matter how strong you are and how many times you have done it before, lining up and seating a Volvo gearbox is no easy task!

Only two minor issues to sort now, first is a cracked CV gaitor. I will most likely just replace the entire shaft as its easier and also I need to sort a boost leak out as the car is peaking at 0.78 bar.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P80100671600x1200.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P80100681600x1200.jpg

Who is this I wonder?

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P80100701600x1200.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P80100691600x1200.jpg

Also started re-furbing the alloys today once the car was running again. Im going to re-do them in Rover Gunmetal grey. They were very scabby and well overdue a coat of paint and good sand down.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P80100661600x1200.jpg

p fandango
Monday 1st August 2011, 22:35
excellent one, that was nice & quick. How was the M56L gearbox, did you notice any difference?

The Flying Moose
Monday 1st August 2011, 22:40
excellent one, that was nice & quick. How was the M56L gearbox, did you notice any difference?

Huge difference, its exactly as I wanted a 4.45 final ratio gearbox. 2nd was 55mph and 3rd 85mph.

It actually does more MPG supprisingly, I noticed that it is best when sat at around 3k rpm.

Acceleration is definately different. Although its hard to tell how effective it is until I have sorted the boost leak and got it back on the drag strip.

AndysR
Monday 1st August 2011, 23:33
Very well done! That's an impressive amount of work done in one day, looking forward to seeing your improvements on the strip, the failure of the original box is perhaps at the very least a silver lining to a dark cloud.

Look forward to seeing the wheels finished, make sure you post some pictures when they're done :)

The Flying Moose
Monday 1st August 2011, 23:36
Very well done! That's an impressive amount of work done in one day, looking forward to seeing your improvements on the strip, the failure of the original box is perhaps at the very least a silver lining to a dark cloud.

Look forward to seeing the wheels finished, make sure you post some pictures when they're done :)

I couldnt agree more, it allowed me to solve the niggles that had been bugging me. However believe me when I say this I would rather have not had to resolve them this month, its cost around £200 after the box, collevting the box, gearbox oil, thrust bearing and rear main seal along with a few other parts that needed changing.

Im hoping that being able to get into 3rd and 4th much sooner should equate to a couple of tenths on the strip.

martybelfastt5
Monday 1st August 2011, 23:40
well done mate that couldnt be an easy task on your back!!

added<<<< just noticed this post number,, nice lol

The Flying Moose
Monday 1st August 2011, 23:42
well done mate that couldnt be an easy task on your back!!

No not easy in the slightest... I almost mis-read what you posted there and was going to ask how did you know I have back problems then realised you meant working on your back!

I really need to invest in a crawler board too. (with the optional headrest!)

AndysR
Monday 1st August 2011, 23:42
I couldnt agree more, it allowed me to solve the niggles that had been bugging me. However believe me when I say this I would rather have not had to resolve them this month, its cost around £200 after the box, collevting the box, gearbox oil, thrust bearing and rear main seal along with a few other parts that needed changing.

Im hoping that being able to get into 3rd and 4th much sooner should equate to a couple of tenths on the strip.

I thought you were going to say should equate to a fuel saving to offset the extra cost this month in repairs..... :B_thumb:

But yes I'd have thought so. Strange that more frequent gear changes will equate to a faster acceleration but then as has been proven longer gears aren't necessarly better... just a same I only have 4 of them and long ones at that.... lol

The Flying Moose
Monday 1st August 2011, 23:46
Well for anyone who is interested here is a really boring Video of the first time I started the car after it all went back together again. Yes I do mean very first turn of the key! I thought I would film it incase it exploded as it would have made excellent footage, unfortunately however as mensioned it was slightly more mundane.

To my supprise it fired straight into life with no problems, there was a rattle for a brief point but that soon went away.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS5qh_EGkLg

AndysR
Monday 1st August 2011, 23:49
Did you forget which side of the car the ignition was on at the begining.... :B_steerin

The Flying Moose
Monday 1st August 2011, 23:49
I thought you were going to say should equate to a fuel saving to offset the extra cost this month in repairs..... :B_thumb:

But yes I'd have thought so. Strange that more frequent gear changes will equate to a faster acceleration but then as has been proven longer gears aren't necessarly better... just a same I only have 4 of them and long ones at that.... lol

4 as may be however at 14.4 seconds down the strip I dont think you have anything to prove to anyone. That is an excellent time.

Im hoping you have re-gained the bug and intend on keeping you magnificent motor. It would be heartbreaking to see one in that condition broken for parts. I have actually since seeing your car go down the strip started looking into buying a turbo technics T28 Hybrid.

The Flying Moose
Monday 1st August 2011, 23:50
Did you forget which side of the car the ignition was on at the begining.... :B_steerin

Haha, If I admitted to that I might as well call myself Pedro Fandango!

As a matter of fact I lost the keys, later to find they were infact in the most obvious place of all... my pocket!!!

p fandango
Monday 1st August 2011, 23:54
Haha, If I admitted to that I might as well call myself Pedro Fandango!
i'll be the first to admit i've made many a mistake while trying to fire BT up, bung left in air intake, fuel pump not turned on, trying to start with the key instead of the button lol

cherry1809
Tuesday 2nd August 2011, 00:08
i want a M56LK, anyone any idea's what its out of

S60/V70 T5. :)
There was one on ebay for £130 iirc. He was selling the engine too, As I asked him if I could pinch the intercooler pipe that runs across the engine :D
See if I've still got the link...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VOLVO-V70-S60-T5-2003-BREAKING-MANUAL-GEARBOX-M56LK-/250865973625?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3a68c6f979

AndysR
Tuesday 2nd August 2011, 00:17
4 as may be however at 14.4 seconds down the strip I dont think you have anything to prove to anyone. That is an excellent time.

Im hoping you have re-gained the bug and intend on keeping you magnificent motor. It would be heartbreaking to see one in that condition broken for parts. I have actually since seeing your car go down the strip started looking into buying a turbo technics T28 Hybrid.

Thanks, I am sure I could improve on the time with maybe a better intercooler and a torque brake start as the americans call them. I have been reviewing the times they achieve over the pond and whilst with this method they can crack late 13's with an automatic transmission virtually none of them can crack a 100 plus terminal which I find quite interesting....

Anyway I am not going to start loading the box on mine to improve my 1/4 times by .0001 of a second so that will have to remain a "what happens if" scenario, I only ran the 1/4 a couple of times to see what it was like and I have to confess I was quite pleasantly surprised and I shall leave it there :)

Yeah the turbo's good and in high boost in 3rd gear plus the increased pull the car has is really quite noticeable. I haven't ever driven or experienced a 19t or larger turbo equipped 850, other than Russ's but that's just insane fast, so it's difficult to comment on exactly how good or bad the turbo is. The only thing I can say is Russ tells me the pull of the car is very similar to that of a large turbo'd 850 and the 1/4 mile really doesn't give a true indication of the cars acceleration once it breaks the 100 mph barrier. There's not many cars that make you look at the instruments wondering where the extra umph has come from while your concentrating on the track ahead but that could be due to the mapping as well as the turbo. I have to say fitting the largest turbo possible isn't always the answer to the equation, and I suppose with improved rods giving the ability to run higher boost levels lower down I would imagine the T28 would give very good results. When I had the car rolling roaded the turbo certainly held a nice consistant boost pressure right to red line which is quite unlike the standard 15g. I guess you could argue my set up is somewhat wasted with the autobox and standard rods...

AndysR
Tuesday 2nd August 2011, 00:18
i'll be the first to admit i've made many a mistake while trying to fire BT up, bung left in air intake, fuel pump not turned on, trying to start with the key instead of the button lol

I notice you haven't tried to start it with the grinder so that I guess could be a positive thing......

The Flying Moose
Tuesday 2nd August 2011, 01:29
Thanks, I am sure I could improve on the time with maybe a better intercooler and a torque brake start as the americans call them. I have been reviewing the times they achieve over the pond and whilst with this method they can crack late 13's with an automatic transmission virtually none of them can crack a 100 plus terminal which I find quite interesting....

Anyway I am not going to start loading the box on mine to improve my 1/4 times by .0001 of a second so that will have to remain a "what happens if" scenario, I only ran the 1/4 a couple of times to see what it was like and I have to confess I was quite pleasantly surprised and I shall leave it there :)

Yeah the turbo's good and in high boost in 3rd gear plus the increased pull the car has is really quite noticeable. I haven't ever driven or experienced a 19t or larger turbo equipped 850, other than Russ's but that's just insane fast, so it's difficult to comment on exactly how good or bad the turbo is. The only thing I can say is Russ tells me the pull of the car is very similar to that of a large turbo'd 850 and the 1/4 mile really doesn't give a true indication of the cars acceleration once it breaks the 100 mph barrier. There's not many cars that make you look at the instruments wondering where the extra umph has come from while your concentrating on the track ahead but that could be due to the mapping as well as the turbo. I have to say fitting the largest turbo possible isn't always the answer to the equation, and I suppose with improved rods giving the ability to run higher boost levels lower down I would imagine the T28 would give very good results. When I had the car rolling roaded the turbo certainly held a nice consistant boost pressure right to red line which is quite unlike the standard 15g. I guess you could argue my set up is somewhat wasted with the autobox and standard rods...

A well executed comment Andy.

I too have reached the point where at least for now performance wise I am happy with the car. I have the 3.0L throttle body and reversed intercooler pipework to fit but after that the car will remain as is for at least the rest of the year.

My mission now it to get it as close to showroom condition as possible. I am starting with the wheels and I then need to touch up the body work and dye the leather on the interior.

Back onto your car however. I would certainly not say the T28 is wasted on your car, this is because as with anything its not neccessarily about releasing full potential but more so achieveing a point at which you are content. Next time I wouldnt mind if possible going out for a spin with you in your car to understand the bracketing of the T28. Its certainly something I would consider. For me the whole reason you modify a car is to achieve a level of handling, speed, comfort and acceleration that you are happy with. For me there is nothing more important than a turbo that spools up quickly and provides lighting responce when required. If it cannot achieve this I mean as well be driving a high powered V6 or V8 naturally aspirated engine.

When push comes to shove however I am building and modifying a car for comfortable everyday use not track or strip use, thats just an added bonus formed from the overall outcome.

Jim S70R
Tuesday 2nd August 2011, 10:19
Great job :worship: you certainly turned that around quickly, I bet your happy to have it back on the road again.

AndysR
Tuesday 2nd August 2011, 22:23
Thanks, I must confess I did have to re-read it a few times last night as it had been a long day! lol

It'll be interesting to hear of your experiences with the reversed piping and larger throttle body. I had heard that the throttle body alters the low down response of the car so again will be interesting to hear your feedback.

A passenger ride is always possible. You just have to ask as I always forget to offer, not because I don't like giving them just I don't think people are ever that interested.

LiamT4
Tuesday 2nd August 2011, 22:36
Thanks, I must confess I did have to re-read it a few times last night as it had been a long day! lol

It'll be interesting to hear of your experiences with the reversed piping and larger throttle body. I had heard that the throttle body alters the low down response of the car so again will be interesting to hear your feedback.

A passenger ride is always possible. You just have to ask as I always forget to offer, not because I don't like giving them just I don't think people are ever that interested.

From what i'v been told by many people the rip kit and bigger throttle body both help to reduce lag, which would be a big help in our autos.

p fandango
Tuesday 2nd August 2011, 22:38
From what i'v been told by many people the rip kit and bigger throttle body both help to reduce lag, which would be a big help in our autos.
going from the Volvo RIP kit to the 3" RIP & 960 throttle body removed all the lag from my 19t, was thinking of going back to the 15g but it spools just as quick now

LiamT4
Tuesday 2nd August 2011, 22:41
going from the Volvo RIP kit to the 3" RIP & 960 throttle body removed all the lag from my 19t, was thinking of going back to the 15g but it spools just as quick now

Dean said that the TB made a noticeable difference on his.
Not seen what wobbly thinks of his rip kit yet.

p fandango
Tuesday 2nd August 2011, 22:43
Dean said that the TB made a noticeable difference on his.
Not seen what wobbly thinks of his rip kit yet.
must admit i did the bigger RIP & throttle body at the same time so not sure which makes the most difference. TFFM (the flying fridge mover) didn't like the throttle body, said it made the throttle too much like an on off switch

The Flying Moose
Wednesday 3rd August 2011, 00:41
Well the car is now running exactly as it should. It seemed that the suspected boost leak wasnt a boost leak at all but a dodgy earth. Either way replacing the earthing cable has resolved the issue.

So what can I say about the M56L? Well why didnt they put this in the T5 850's as standard? It is in my opinion a much better all round box. The ratio's allow you to easily sit in 5th at 30 and accelerate from 30 in 5th without labouring the engine. This of course translates to better around town economy.

So motorway driving. Well at 70mph it sits at 3krpm. Providing you maintain this it averaged 35mpg on a cruise. The best part however is yet to come... because you are cruising at 3krpm when you do decide you need to move there is absolutely no need to change down from 5th as the car is already sat in the "power band". Simply plant your right foot and "boom" your gone. Its excellent.

I can certainly tell the difference in accelerating through the gears too. Lets see how it does in October.

The Flying Moose
Friday 12th August 2011, 23:01
Well made a little more progress today after work. I have the spare inlet manifold provided by jamest5r (thanks mate) ported ready for fitting the 3ltr throttle body.

Question however is whats the best method for removing the metal dust from inside the manifold?

Also had the remaining silicone joints arrive today to fit the next new reverse intercooler pipework. Gone for 2.5" this time to match the original Volvo pipework size.

Im going to do a before and after throttle body video too on the same stretch of road and driving conditions to attempt to see if/what difference is notable from an observers view... I have found with many mods you almost convince yourself it makes a huge difference!

WOODY T5
Friday 12th August 2011, 23:04
did my one with white spirit mate

The Flying Moose
Friday 12th August 2011, 23:10
did my one with white spirit mate

Really, I have tried washing it out with the hose but the metal fillings dont seem to come out???

Jamest5r
Friday 12th August 2011, 23:38
Well made a little more progress today after work. I have the spare inlet manifold provided by jamest5r (thanks mate) ported ready for fitting the 3ltr throttle body.

Question however is whats the best method for removing the metal dust from inside the manifold?
Also had the remaining silicone joints arrive today to fit the next new reverse intercooler pipework. Gone for 2.5" this time to match the original Volvo pipework size.

Im going to do a before and after throttle body video too on the same stretch of road and driving conditions to attempt to see if/what difference is notable from an observers view... I have found with many mods you almost convince yourself it makes a huge difference!


Put mine in the dishwasher deep clean cycle came up a treat :)

You sure i gave you that inlet mani as i have another spare as well?? got to have a clear out lol.

The Flying Moose
Saturday 13th August 2011, 00:01
Put mine in the dishwasher deep clean cycle came up a treat :)

You sure i gave you that inlet mani as i have another spare as well?? got to have a clear out lol.

Yep you sure did! ;)

Shame the dishwasher is out of action at the moment. I really want to get it cleaned up and get it all fitted prior to Sundays meet at the Cocked Hat, Cov.

Dangerous Dave
Saturday 13th August 2011, 10:36
Only two minor issues to sort now, first is a cracked CV gaitor. I will most likely just replace the entire shaft as its easier
You mad? A CV gaitor change only takes me 30 mins and that includes the time it takes to jack the car up!

p fandango
Saturday 13th August 2011, 10:40
Question however is whats the best method for removing the metal dust from inside the manifold?
i done BT's manifold while it was still on the engine, i wiped it out after with rag & paint brush

Dangerous Dave
Saturday 13th August 2011, 10:53
I really want to get it cleaned up and get it all fitted prior to Sundays meet at the Cocked Hat, Cov.
Meet?

cherry1809
Saturday 13th August 2011, 11:37
Wouldn't an air line blow it all out?
Last time my mate did a CV boot on mine it only took about 20 mins. He used an expandable boot and the air tool and stretched it over the joint.
Always uses them and they've always been fine.

LiamT4
Saturday 13th August 2011, 18:12
Yep you sure did! ;)

Shame the dishwasher is out of action at the moment. I really want to get it cleaned up and get it all fitted prior to Sundays meet at the Cocked Hat, Cov.

Do we know what time yet.

The Flying Moose
Saturday 13th August 2011, 19:38
No Liam, not even sure its happening... to be honest I have quite alot on my plate so probably wont be attending anyhow.

JT
Saturday 13th August 2011, 19:56
No Liam, not even sure its happening... to be honest I have quite alot on my plate so probably wont be attending anyhow.

well i'm 100% coming up tomorrow
got to go via Alans (at 10 am), then James's and back to pedros
then the pub!

if that helps??? lol

LiamT4
Saturday 13th August 2011, 20:13
well i'm 100% coming up tomorrow
got to go via Alans (at 10 am), then James's and back to pedros
then the pub!

if that helps??? lol

Well, i'm still up for it. Just need an idea of times.

JT
Saturday 13th August 2011, 20:15
12???? lol

LiamT4
Saturday 13th August 2011, 20:26
Is that when your getting to pf?

JT
Saturday 13th August 2011, 20:33
to be honest.........i dont know how long it will take me to get from alans via james to pf's

i'm guessing it will be 12ish at pf/pub

lol

The Flying Moose
Monday 15th August 2011, 18:31
Been busy doing a few other little jobs today.

Firstly I did what I should have done a long time ago and replaced the rear light clusters. What a difference it makes to the appearance.

Before:

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P81501141600x1200.jpg

After:

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P81501151600x1200.jpg

I also took some advice and nicked an idea from Cherry regarding the Blitz. So that has now moved.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P81501201600x1200.jpg

Lastly however I had a set of V70 clocks kicking about... got me thinking why not fit them see what they look like. Got them all rigged up and working now. Personally I quite like them.

Before:

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P81501171600x1200.jpg

After:

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P81501261600x1200.jpg

Thoughts and comments welcomed ;)

WOODY T5
Monday 15th August 2011, 18:36
yea back looks a lot better now liking the blitz to mate sweet p.s clocks to:-)

T5frankie
Monday 15th August 2011, 18:38
no boost gauge now then?

The Flying Moose
Monday 15th August 2011, 20:56
no boost gauge now then?

No need for it mate, the blitz has a digital boost guage. Far more accurate and reads the peak boost levels in each gear for you.

t5 pete
Monday 15th August 2011, 21:01
looking much better emlyn the v70 rear light do wounders

cherry1809
Monday 15th August 2011, 21:32
Looking good mate! :)

T5frankie
Monday 15th August 2011, 21:33
No need for it mate, the blitz has a digital boost guage. Far more accurate and reads the peak boost levels in each gear for you.

cool mate looking good

AndysR
Tuesday 16th August 2011, 20:36
Looking like work well done there, rear of the car is looking much more up to date which is strange when you think all that's changed is the colour of the indicators.. Boost controller looks nice and subtle, obviously will be easy to use and monitor whilst on the move. Not sure I'm sold on the clocks I've always liked the older looking 850 instruments and useless boost gauge..

I'd probably loose the towbar next..

Jim S70R
Tuesday 16th August 2011, 20:43
Looking good Emlyn, the v70 lights give the rear of the car a cleaner look :)

martybelfastt5
Tuesday 16th August 2011, 22:13
nice job got to agree with andy on the useless boost gauge its nice because it moves lol,,,,,,,,,,,clock look good tho

The Flying Moose
Wednesday 17th August 2011, 10:01
Looking like work well done there, rear of the car is looking much more up to date which is strange when you think all that's changed is the colour of the indicators.. Boost controller looks nice and subtle, obviously will be easy to use and monitor whilst on the move. Not sure I'm sold on the clocks I've always liked the older looking 850 instruments and useless boost gauge..

I'd probably loose the towbar next..

Yeah I agree they almost freshen the car up at the rear. I really would like to colour code the bumpers like yours but as the rear bumper is already a little tatty I would want to source a new one first.

I have since to replaced the rear boot badges with brand new ones from Volvo too. They look much better.

As for the clocks, I wasnt sure in the first place just thought I would give it a go. Think I might resort back to 850 ones.


Looking good Emlyn, the v70 lights give the rear of the car a cleaner look :)

Cheers Jim :)


nice job got to agree with andy on the useless boost gauge its nice because it moves lol,,,,,,,,,,,clock look good tho

Thats it, decision made clocks going back!!!

M-R-P
Wednesday 17th August 2011, 10:48
TFM, I only just started reading this thread, otherwise I would have mentioned it when you first asked. The M56LK gearbox is from the V70 T-5, It's in mine. (2003 plod spec)
Sorry I didn't see it earlier.
:)

M-R-P
Wednesday 17th August 2011, 11:25
Is it any good? I changed the oil in it a while ago but didn't flush it and now it's back to being lumpy.

I think Pedro was after one of these - not having mine cos I'm still using it! lol but now you know where to look for one! :)

The Flying Moose
Thursday 18th August 2011, 03:15
Well got a few more jobs done today. Very happy indeed with the outcome.

Firstly I fitted the new Volvo oil cooler o-rings and retaining bracket to resolve a bad oil leak from the cooler.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P81701271600x1200.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P81701281600x1200.jpg

Next I decided it was time to get finger out and replace the PCV system with the new one and fit the ported manifold to take the 3ltr throttle body.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P81701421600x1200.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P81701451600x1200.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P81701431600x1200.jpg

Finally once everything was back together the new PCV in place, ported mani fitted and 3 litre throttle body comfotably housed the last job was to fit the reversed intercooler pipework I had made.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P81701461600x1200.jpg

Just got back from a trip up to Hull and my god what a difference the throttle body coupled with the reverse pipework makes! Running the car at 1.3 bar and she just pulls and pulls and best of all the throttle responce is instant. Its like the turbo is permanently spooled up and ready to go, infact its like driving a N/A car.

Im pretty happy now with where the car is performance wise and I have done a fair bit to it now. Time now to get the car looking mint again before probably spending more money on bigger turbo's come christmas time!!!

For those interested here is the engine spec as it stands:

Custom Rica Map, Blitz Dual SBC Controller set at 1.3 bar, White 350cc injectors, TD04HL-16T, Custom Reverse Intercooler pipework, BSR Induction Kit, De-cat, custom 2.5" Exhaust, HKS Dump Valve, Ported Inlet with 3.0 throttle body and ported exhaust manifold.

T5frankie
Thursday 18th August 2011, 05:15
Put the 19t on mate

Jim S70R
Thursday 18th August 2011, 12:33
Nice update you have been busy, gotta be worth a passenger ride at some point ;)

The Flying Moose
Thursday 18th August 2011, 12:34
Nice update you have been busy, gotta be worth a passenger ride at some point ;)

Of course, you can even have the keys if you like ;)

nottsgreent5
Thursday 18th August 2011, 21:44
what kind of mpg are you getting mate with that set up mate only reason i ask is ive got most of the same parts in a box waiting to be fitted only diff being im using blues instead of whites cars looking very nice mate

LiamT4
Thursday 18th August 2011, 21:50
Lots getting done now.

I'll be needing a rip kit for mine, think that and the larger TB would make a big difference.

AndysR
Thursday 18th August 2011, 22:55
Another step forward TFM, will be the one to watch at York in October.. :)

A passenger ride would also be good.... and yes I know I still owe you one! lol

t5 pete
Thursday 18th August 2011, 23:20
well ive been in it tonight and all i can say is its very rapid it certainly puts myne to shame deffinatly a very nice motor.

The Flying Moose
Friday 19th August 2011, 11:31
what kind of mpg are you getting mate with that set up mate only reason i ask is ive got most of the same parts in a box waiting to be fitted only diff being im using blues instead of whites cars looking very nice mate

To be honest the MPG has dropped a little however this is due to my current "playful" driving style. What I have noticed is it seems to increase the more it is modified providing you dont boot it everywhere.

I had most fitted prior to changing the M56H to the M56L gearbox and it was averaging on a run 36 and being heavy footed everysoften around 29-30.

It has dropped with the M56L at it sits at 3krpm in 5th at 70 so averages around 31-32 on a run. However it is alot more economical around town as it will happily sit in 5th at 30.


Lots getting done now.

I'll be needing a rip kit for mine, think that and the larger TB would make a big difference.

As soon as you tell me when you want it sorting we can do a reverse kit no problem. Certainly makes a difference. Very little lag when coupled with a throttle body.


Another step forward TFM, will be the one to watch at York in October.. :)

A passenger ride would also be good.... and yes I know I still owe you one! lol

Not sure I will be the one to watch mate!!! Jamest5r will have my attention along with smithness. Really looking forward to seeing how james car does given the obvious changes and unique turbo.

Of course ride available, and yes you still owe one! Im very interested by your car as it clearly has the go on the strip but how does it perform on the road?


well ive been in it tonight and all i can say is its very rapid it certainly puts myne to shame deffinatly a very nice motor.

Not too bad is it Pete? Best way I think it can be described is what smithness said "Running healthy that son".

We'll sort your motor mate, let project propell pete begin lol

WOODY T5
Friday 19th August 2011, 11:51
yea Running healthy is right mate just need to stop the one wheel spinning now so it will be a m59 or a gripper next?

The Flying Moose
Friday 19th August 2011, 11:55
yea Running healthy is right mate just need to stop the one wheel spinning now so it will be a m59 or a gripper next?

Get back to work!!! :hidesbehi

Yeah would like to do it proper and get a gripper, by time you have bought a M59 you might as well pay the little extra for a propper diff.

WOODY T5
Friday 19th August 2011, 12:21
Get back to work!!! :hidesbehi

Yeah would like to do it proper and get a gripper, by time you have bought a M59 you might as well pay the little extra for a propper diff.now now work Wots that? Any way keep bolting them bits on and maybe one day u will catch me on the drag strip or let's hope so lol

Ed.
Friday 19th August 2011, 13:43
Just got back from a trip up to Hull and my god what a difference the throttle body coupled with the reverse pipework makes! Running the car at 1.3 bar and she just pulls and pulls and best of all the throttle responce is instant. Its like the turbo is permanently spooled up and ready to go, infact its like driving a N/A car.

Im pretty happy now with where the car is performance wise and I have done a fair bit to it now. Time now to get the car looking mint again before probably spending more money on bigger turbo's come christmas time!!!

For those interested here is the engine spec as it stands:

Custom Rica Map, Blitz Dual SBC Controller set at 1.3 bar, White 350cc injectors, TD04HL-16T, Custom Reverse Intercooler pipework, BSR Induction Kit, De-cat, custom 2.5" Exhaust, HKS Dump Valve, Ported Inlet with 3.0 throttle body and ported exhaust manifold.

I had my throttle body fitted and inlet manifold ported last weekend and the difference is certainly noticeable. The car feels more responsive, even when driving normally.

The current spec of your car is quite similar to mine and it showed at Avon park last time as you were running similar times to what i got in April. I'm interested to see how your new gearbox will perform on the strip :)

Ed

The Flying Moose
Friday 19th August 2011, 16:11
I had my throttle body fitted and inlet manifold ported last weekend and the difference is certainly noticeable. The car feels more responsive, even when driving normally.

The current spec of your car is quite similar to mine and it showed at Avon park last time as you were running similar times to what i got in April. I'm interested to see how your new gearbox will perform on the strip :)

Ed

Im too very keen to see how the box performs. I will be in 4th by 80mph and as it pulls the most boost in 4th and 5th I can certainly see pulling higher terminals if nothing else.

T5frankie
Friday 19th August 2011, 16:15
Im too very keen to see how the box performs. I will be in 4th by 80mph and as it pulls the most boost in 4th and 5th I can certainly see pulling higher terminals if nothing else.

but more gear changes mean slower times, our cars have shedloads of torque so can have longer gearing, mine is in 4th at 102 mph now

p fandango
Friday 19th August 2011, 16:20
but more gear changes mean slower times, our cars have shedloads of torque so can have longer gearing, mine is in 4th at 102 mph now
thats my theory & the way i'm going, i'm going longer for more speed out of each gear

The Flying Moose
Friday 19th August 2011, 16:22
Well did a little more work today...

Whats this I wonder???

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P81901471600x1200.jpg

I had a small list of jobs, replace turbo, fit blue injectors and replace a bodged (but working!) turbo coolant pipe with a volvo genuine part.

Below you can see the difference in the two coolant pipes!

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P81901511600x1200.jpg

So here is the new turbo sat next to a 15G unit, doesnt look alot of difference if any in size however the turbo impellor is clearly different.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P81901481600x1200.jpg

For those interested here is a photo of three of the TD-04 series turbo's sat next to each other. From left to right is a 15G, 16T and 18T.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P81901521600x1200.jpg

I have just replaced all the coolant and ran the car up, she runs well with no smoke or obvious leaks at idle. Going to nip out shortly to test the car and see how it runs.

Scrap the old spec list here is how its looking now:

Custom Rica Map, Blitz Dual SBC Controller set at 1.3 bar, Blue ME7 395cc injectors, TD04HL-18T, Custom Reverse Intercooler pipework, BSR Induction Kit, De-cat, custom 2.5" Exhaust, HKS Dump Valve, Ported Inlet with 3.0 throttle body and ported exhaust manifold.

The Flying Moose
Friday 19th August 2011, 16:23
but more gear changes mean slower times, our cars have shedloads of torque so can have longer gearing, mine is in 4th at 102 mph now

4th is 125 in this box so no problems there. Lets just see what happens. What I will say is im not the only person running this box and it certainly seems to work for them.

T5frankie
Friday 19th August 2011, 16:27
where has your 19t gone mate?

T5frankie
Friday 19th August 2011, 16:28
4th is 125 in this box so no problems there. Lets just see what happens. What I will say is im not the only person running this box and it certainly seems to work for them.

in other words dean? lol

The Flying Moose
Friday 19th August 2011, 16:31
where has your 19t gone mate?

I had to sell it mate, was strapped for cash.


in other words dean? lol

Yeah, works for him doesnt it. I would quite like to break low 14's now.

p fandango
Friday 19th August 2011, 16:50
Yeah, works for him doesnt it. I would quite like to break low 14's now.
he's also running a LSD. Be interesting to see how yours does as it will give some indication how much is down to the box, & how much is down to the diff

T5frankie
Friday 19th August 2011, 16:53
I had to sell it mate, was strapped for cash.



Yeah, works for him doesnt it. I would quite like to break low 14's now.

you and me both mate

WOODY T5
Friday 19th August 2011, 17:01
in other words dean? lollooks like u will still be in the high14s at this rate a mate best get some more mods done lol

T5frankie
Friday 19th August 2011, 17:29
looks like u will still be in the high14s at this rate a mate best get some more mods done lol

what you mean high 14's i got a 14.6 racing you which is at least mid 14's lol, i've got a 3" throttle body going on myself, a better engine is going in and i'm getting a custom map so who knows?

Jim S70R
Friday 19th August 2011, 19:20
:) :) :) :) very nice!! Looking forward to this run in your car at some point, looks like it's gonna be flying at this rate. I need to start doing some more bits to my car I'm getting left behind by you lot.....

Jamest5r
Friday 19th August 2011, 19:48
Bloody hell need to get me self a job in the RAF, the moose has far to much free time :)

Looking good mate :)

I had a similar set up but with a M59 and the best i got was 14.3 but wasnt happy with the set-up so i reckon if you get it right just under the 14 :)

The Flying Moose
Friday 19th August 2011, 22:07
Well what a blooming day.

Just got back after test driving the car... well long story short no boost.

Took the whole thing apart again and the impellor wheel wouldnt spin in the exhaust housing. So I separated the turbo at the housing once again to take a look and all looked ok. however it wouldnt fit and spin in any 15G or 16T exhaust housings.

As you can imagine a little annoyed I had to remove everything crack the downpipe off and fit the 18T exhaust housing onto the exhaust manifold. Its all finished now though and its driving really well indeed. Notable difference between it and the 16T. Next job is get it on the dyno before Octobers drag meet.

Longest ever turbo change = Moose @ 8 hours.... it did come off four times though!

The Flying Moose
Friday 19th August 2011, 22:07
you and me both mate

Well had the 14.5 and now aiming lower, a decent start should see low 14's I think.


looks like u will still be in the high14s at this rate a mate best get some more mods done lol

Such a wind up merchant!!!


:) :) :) :) very nice!! Looking forward to this run in your car at some point, looks like it's gonna be flying at this rate. I need to start doing some more bits to my car I'm getting left behind by you lot.....

Meh ill just hand you the keys sit in the pub with a pint and wait to see the white faced man walk through the door.


Bloody hell need to get me self a job in the RAF, the moose has far to much free time :)

Looking good mate :)

I had a similar set up but with a M59 and the best i got was 14.3 but wasnt happy with the set-up so i reckon if you get it right just under the 14 :)

Its the way forward James. I only work 142 days a year or four and three quarter months.

Just a shame Im working this weekend otherwise it would have been a Brummy trip to make sure that motor of yours got finished ;)

Jamest5r
Friday 19th August 2011, 23:29
Well what a blooming day.

Just got back after test driving the car... well long story short no boost.

Took the whole thing apart again and the impellor wheel wouldnt spin in the exhaust housing. So I separated the turbo at the housing once again to take a look and all looked ok. however it wouldnt fit and spin in any 15G or 16T exhaust housings.

As you can imagine a little annoyed I had to remove everything crack the downpipe off and fit the 18T exhaust housing onto the exhaust manifold. Its all finished now though and its driving really well indeed. Notable difference between it and the 16T. Next job is get it on the dyno before Octobers drag meet.

Longest ever turbo change = Moose @ 8 hours.... it did come off four times though!


Serve's you right for trying to take short cut's pmsl :) leave the turbo's as one and swop them that way, bloody RAF always messing. :)

t5 pete
Friday 19th August 2011, 23:41
Lol James glad u got there in the end emlyn

The Flying Moose
Friday 19th August 2011, 23:45
Serve's you right for trying to take short cut's pmsl :) leave the turbo's as one and swop them that way, bloody RAF always messing. :)

Cheecky git!!!

Such a messy and long job cracking the downpipe bolts. In today's case I litterally snapped them all in the end.

I genuinely thought the 18T had the same exhaust housing as the other TD04 series units, obviously no the case. I just assumed after the 19T went on without hitch an 18T would too, clearly not.

Secretly I was trying to fit Tornado afterburners ;)

The Flying Moose
Friday 19th August 2011, 23:46
Lol James glad u got there in the end emlyn

Just need a trip back up to yours now pete to compare the two and get your blitz set up.

t5 pete
Friday 19th August 2011, 23:51
Definatly I'm looking forward to fitting the blitz unit

The Flying Moose
Friday 19th August 2011, 23:53
Definatly I'm looking forward to fitting the blitz unit

Well I am about anytime Wednesday to Saturday evening. Back in work Sunday.

Ill get temporary insurance and set it up in car for you, be much easier that way and can set it exactly as you want it. Got this map for you to try too aswell.

The Flying Moose
Saturday 20th August 2011, 23:18
What a blooming nightmare!!!

I managed to wangle an early finish today and late start tomorrow so I could get down to jamest5r's and help him get his car back together... well here comes the story.

I was approximately 20 miles into my journey when I hit standstill traffic on the A47. The car began to smoke a little, I didnt think anything of it however as I assumed it was the WD40 burning off the manifold and downpipe. Anyhow got moving again and reached the A1M/A605 junction Peterborough services and smoke began to billow from the car, next the dreaded oil pressure light came on! I managed to trundle into the services car park and stop the car in a safe and convenient place.

Now popped the bonnet and more and more smoke, looked like the bloody thing was on fire!!!

I nipped in to the services to grab a coffee and let it all cool down to then look and see what had happened. Well the main coolant line from the turbo to the block (the long once accross the back) had split at the rubber joint and as a result all the coolant had been transferred out of the engine at some point. Next I checked the oil after the pressure light came on and found it was still full. Ok no problem I had all my tools and spares in the boot luckily as I was going to james's so was able to fashion a temporary replacement coolant pipe. So fix the pipe top it all up again and away we go I thought.

Well I tried this and when I went to turn it over all the water dumped itself out again from the back of the block it then began to fail to crank like all compression was lost, had a look and appears the heat and lack of coolant have ruined the cylinder head gasket and I dare say the head is warped.

A long drag home later on an AA van and im home.

Tomorrow ill have a proper look see what its going to be looking like. If its repairable with the replacement head I already had lined up then that is what shall happen.

t5 pete
Saturday 20th August 2011, 23:23
That's bad news emlyn if there owt I can do just let me know.
Cheers pete

The Flying Moose
Saturday 20th August 2011, 23:26
That's bad news emlyn if there owt I can do just let me know.
Cheers pete

Cheers Pete, it just would have to come now when I am skint and next months pay is accounted for already.

Providing the block itself isnt damaged and the refurbed head goes on ok everything should be ok and wont cost the earth just new head set and cambelt.

I am worried about the oil pressure light though as it came on with the engine still full, cant figure out why.

Dangerous Dave
Saturday 20th August 2011, 23:50
I am worried about the oil pressure light though as it came on with the engine still full, cant figure out why.
Perhaps some of the oil pressure was lost through the head gasket (or possibly warped head) into the waterways or cylinders?

Tomcat
Saturday 20th August 2011, 23:53
Bloody hell Emlyn, your not having much luck are you?, hope it's a quick fix for you.

LiamT4
Sunday 21st August 2011, 10:07
Sorry to hear about that mate, not having much luck lately.

It'll get there eventually.

silverswedemachine
Sunday 21st August 2011, 19:27
Im sure i read in the volvo book (the one that comes with the car- not the haynes) that the oil light will come on if the oil gets too hot, not sure if it will only comes on at idle...

The Flying Moose
Sunday 21st August 2011, 20:01
By tomorrow I will know whats going to happen with the car, I have two options all depends on the outcome after inspection.

martybelfastt5
Sunday 21st August 2011, 21:23
aahhh ffs mate,,hope all goes well

Wobbly Dave
Sunday 21st August 2011, 21:40
& I thought my issues were bad. - first the g/b & now the block. Oh dear - I hope this will work out well in the end.

The Flying Moose
Sunday 21st August 2011, 22:32
Yep... big issues Dave.

Im thankful however that none are as a result of any modifications or enhancements I have personally fitted and neither is it due to neglect. Bloody car gets more attention than anything else.

t5 pete
Sunday 21st August 2011, 22:48
I know its a pain in the ass when something goes wrong but at least nearly every thing will have been replaced emlyn by the time your done with it.

Ed.
Sunday 21st August 2011, 23:24
It never rains but it pours? I guess some of these things are to be expected from a 16 yr old car. Nevermind, i'm sure you'll be back on the road and quicker than ever.

Ed

Jim S70R
Monday 22nd August 2011, 12:47
Sorry to hear about your car, but the way you work I'm sure you'll have it up and running again in no time at all.

antz
Monday 22nd August 2011, 16:04
Oh dear! Sorry to hear about all that dude! Are you going to fix it or will it be curtains depending on the damage? :(

The Flying Moose
Monday 22nd August 2011, 17:25
Well I have decided what to do. I am sick of this car as I am sure it is somehow jinxzed.

The car will be broken up for parts and everything will be available.

I fancy myself another saloon again so after I have raised the funds through breaking this one I am going to sit on the money and wait for the right saloon to come along.

A shame but little option really and I cannot afford to continually keep ploughing money at the car.

T5frankie
Monday 22nd August 2011, 17:28
i understand why you want to mate but not a saloon you will miss the loadspace especailly when you need to carry an engine/gear box etc

Tomcat
Monday 22nd August 2011, 17:31
Gutted for you Emlyn, there does come a time though when you wonder if the car actualy wants to be on the road?.

The Flying Moose
Monday 22nd August 2011, 17:31
I see what your saying Frankie, its just this car has really lost its "spark" if you know what I mean and after being recovered 3 times in just two months I cannot put any faith into it.

Perhaps a V70R who knows...

The Flying Moose
Monday 22nd August 2011, 17:32
Gutted for you Emlyn, there does come a time though when you wonder if the car actualy wants to be on the road?.

Yes! I know exactly what you mean. The car is slowly breaking me let alone itself :(

T5frankie
Monday 22nd August 2011, 17:34
I see what your saying Frankie, its just this car has really lost its "spark" if you know what I mean and after being recovered 3 times in just two months I cannot put any faith into it.

Perhaps a V70R who knows...

well jim's is for sale and cheap, i'd like another not to replace but as well as, i want a manual olive green t5-r or a manual red 850r saloons or estate, yeah join the saffy club dare ya lol

Tomcat
Monday 22nd August 2011, 19:28
Yes! I know exactly what you mean. The car is slowly breaking me let alone itself :(

I had the same problem with the 960, no matter what I did to it it always found something else to break, hence the reason for breaking it in the end.

claymore
Monday 22nd August 2011, 19:44
for god sake, do you have no luck? :( , my car's a piece of sh*t, but just keeps going no matter what I throw at it. just doesn't seem fair to me.

p fandango
Monday 22nd August 2011, 20:15
for god sake, do you have no luck? :( , my car's a piece of sh*t, but just keeps going no matter what I throw at it. just doesn't seem fair to me.
i think we've got the monday morning cars, neither of mine get treated as well as they should but still keep going

good luck stripping the car & on a replacement

Jamest5r
Monday 22nd August 2011, 20:18
Mate sorry to hear that, im guessing you fried the block with the water loss?, is the turbo ok?, personaly i think you've built a decent car there and just about got it looking and running right, all you need to fix it is an engine which you know you can pick-up cheap enough.

Cheers

LiamT4
Monday 22nd August 2011, 20:26
James is right there, surely it would be far easier that way. After the engine is done, there wouldn't be much left to go wrong?

If you get another one, it could start all over again.

Jim S70R
Monday 22nd August 2011, 21:15
I agree with James and Liam, can't you put another engine in it, you've spent all that time building a decent car to throw it all away!! You must have a spare engine in your garage somewhere.....

silverswedemachine
Monday 22nd August 2011, 21:21
Put another engine in it!! End of...

AndysR
Monday 22nd August 2011, 22:16
Ah that's just plain crap! Can't believe your luck Emlyn I really do feel for you and understand how you feel about it I can't imagine a stronger bout of bad luck for a car than this.

Right that's the sympathy part over with, sort it out lad for god sake! Are you seriously going to let this beat you? I mean after all and I mean ALL you've put into the car, not to mention buying it twice, are you really going to give up at the last hurdle. I know it's dishearting, I had to put 3 engines in the Orion before it was eventually right and they were all as a result of a failed oil pump on the original build, but ££££ happens it really does. Your so close to achieving what you want from the car and getting a replacement engine for the car is definately not the end of the world. I am sure if this was anyone elses thread and you were on the otherside of the fence you would be right at the front of the que saying get an engine in it and stop faffing about, in fact you'd probably drive to France to help fit the bloody thing irrespective of what your personal plans are! Get yourself an engine and fit it when you can. There's no rush and remember if you buy another car the grass isn't always greener on the otherside......

We're (VPC) all here to call on if you need assistance god know's you've handed enough out to others, myself included, get an engine and we can have a mini meet at yours and fit it. I'll even bring dougnuts....

So consider this a virtual slap, I have your mobile number don't make it a verbal one as well ;)

martybelfastt5
Monday 22nd August 2011, 22:47
cant belive your luck mate,,,,

The Flying Moose
Monday 22nd August 2011, 22:52
Mate sorry to hear that, im guessing you fried the block with the water loss?, is the turbo ok?, personaly i think you've built a decent car there and just about got it looking and running right, all you need to fix it is an engine which you know you can pick-up cheap enough.

Cheers

Yeah turbo is absolutely fine.

The engine heated so much the head has warped and melted the bottom end slightly!!!

Its completely shot mate.

Thanks for all the comments guys, I hate to admit defeat but due to finance problems I have no alternative. I borrowed money which I need to pay asap to repair it last time and after another hefty £150 recovery bill im treading of extremely thin ice at the moment.

Its a hit I dont want to take but I can build up again and enjoy it and do it properly without shortcuts or expense spared next time.

The Flying Moose
Friday 26th August 2011, 22:26
Well today marked the end of an Era... Rest in peace you unreliable peace of poo! It was good while it lasted but you were too high maintainance for me (normally the case with leggy blondes!), time to move on plenty more fish in the sea.

Time to start looking for the next project!

Thanks to t5pete for heading down too to help get the thing ripped to pieces, fat easier with four hands and the car was stripped within 7 hours.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P8260164.jpg

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k549/EMLYNT5/P8260165.jpg

LiamT4
Friday 26th August 2011, 22:30
That red 200sx is still there from when you stripped the t5r. lol

The Flying Moose
Friday 26th August 2011, 22:36
That red 200sx is still there from when you stripped the t5r. lol

Yep, thinking of Stripping that myself, wheels must be worth a few bob?

p fandango
Friday 26th August 2011, 22:40
how much do you want for a driveshaft?

LiamT4
Friday 26th August 2011, 22:40
Yep, thinking of Stripping that myself, wheels must be worth a few bob?

The standard turbo would be a t28.

Not many left standard, so it could have some aftermarket parts on it.
Do you know who's it is?