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Mongo
Monday 4th April 2011, 08:18
Hello all.
I know this is a asked question by all newish members but i would like to find out for myself, basicly i have around a £2000 budget at the moment i have an 850t5 19t turbo the rica ecu and map to match, full tmesweedish exhaust with decat, 1.2 bar boost, white injectors induction kit and i think thats it i brought the car asit was advertised as 340bhp lol it was picked up from newcastle by my dad as as a present to go halfs on whilst i was working away for my 21st but i no its not 340bhp ami right saying 260bhp-280bhp.
Any way ive spoke to a man called sten parner (from sweeden) and his priced me up some rods. If i get a half decent ecu maybe emerald or somthing of that sortmaybe bigger turbo fuel pump (walbro?) what sort of figures could i be looking at?
If u could give me some detailed infomation that would be brill thanks for looking
Joe

p fandango
Monday 4th April 2011, 08:43
Hi Joe, firstly i'd get the car looked over, 260-280bhp is low for a mapped 19t car, it should be about 300ish. Rods & fuel pump are defo a good idea, i'd also recommend bigger injectors (Courtney Sport sell VXR injectors cheap LINK (http://www.courtenaysport.co.uk/buy-online/shop-by-category/tuning-components/vxr-injectors-set-of-4/prod_401.html)) it'll defo need remapping to suit. I'd also look at an ME7 crank & lighter flywheel while your doing the rods

Tomcat
Monday 4th April 2011, 08:48
With the mods it's currently got you'll be pushing around 300 ish, to go bigger you'll need a bigger turbo, rods, injectors, walbro pump and then your choice of management. There are members who know a he'll of a lot more than me and I'm sure they'll be along shortly to give you a more comprehensive list.

Mongo
Monday 4th April 2011, 08:57
Thanks for the reply ive beaten a my mates 310 bhp escort cossie plus a 323bhp scooby also my mates both dynod so maybe is 300bhp just didnt want to 100% quote it. Vxr injectors my mate got standard ones in his garage r they ok? Is the the standard crank not strong enough to get more power, also can the rica ecu be maped i think its a 304 not 100% tho? What sort of power do you think i could get on my budget?
Thanks for the reply!

Mongo
Monday 4th April 2011, 09:13
Thanks tomcat i no im waiting lol. I just want an idea of what i need with roughprices so i can sit down and weigh up the pros and cons
Thanks lads

t5 pete
Monday 4th April 2011, 09:34
with a 2k budget your over half way to getting a much larger turbo than the 19t if you could stretch around 3k you could have
Rods
Garrett or simliar turbo
Down pipe
Injectors
Mapping
But also remember the more power you push out the better the brakes and suspension need to be.
It all depends on what your wanting the 19t with the correct mods will shove you over 300whp then theres the kkk24 turbo which will give abit more.
Personally i wouldnt bother with a different crank or flywheel as they can easily take it.

JelT5
Monday 4th April 2011, 09:38
Thanks for the reply ive beaten a my mates 310 bhp escort cossie plus a 323bhp scooby also my mates both dynod so maybe is 300bhp just didnt want to 100% quote it. Vxr injectors my mate got standard ones in his garage r they ok? Is the the standard crank not strong enough to get more power, also can the rica ecu be maped i think its a 304 not 100% tho? What sort of power do you think i could get on my budget?
Thanks for the reply!

You've got a quick car there mate :) nice spec...
The crank is strong enough, it's the rods that are likely to bend with increased low end torque; rods would be first on my list along with injectors and a map to suit. Perhaps even a turbo tuner ecu that can be adjusted when you do further mods?

Rods: http://www.thsperformance.co.uk/product/Volvo_T5_THSROD-VT5139

Turbo tuner: http://www.turbo-tuner.co.uk/ttusb.htm

There will be far more knowledgeable folk with better answers than mine I'm sure!

p fandango
Monday 4th April 2011, 11:08
Thanks for the reply ive beaten a my mates 310 bhp escort cossie plus a 323bhp scooby also my mates both dynod so maybe is 300bhp just didnt want to 100% quote it. Vxr injectors my mate got standard ones in his garage r they ok? Is the the standard crank not strong enough to get more power, also can the rica ecu be maped i think its a 304 not 100% tho? What sort of power do you think i could get on my budget?
Thanks for the reply!
i believe the Courtney injectors are just standard & intended as an upgrade for lower spec Vauxhalls so his should be fine. The standard crank is more than ok for the job, but ME7 is lighter & i believe in doing as much as you can with one job. The map you should have won't be a 304 as thats for 15g turbo, yes they will be able to modify your current map for the new mods

i also forgot about a 3" RIP (reverse intercooler pipework) & Volvo 960 throttle body

Mongo
Monday 4th April 2011, 12:34
Thanks every one as for brakes and suspension iv got kw coilovers all round plus 48 vane ap brake kit ive got the 3 inch return to intercooler, also a 3inch downpipe im hoping all i need is a bigger turbo forged rods, injectors fuel pump and the map do u think it would be possible to reach nearly 400bhp or ami way off?
Thanks

Mongo
Monday 4th April 2011, 12:44
Thanks for all your help and links to things if anyone else can giv some advice i will take it all on board
Thanks

wegal
Monday 4th April 2011, 15:19
Wow thats an impressive list of mods already, Im not sure about the 400bhp figure even with a bigger turbo, but I think if you put a KKK24 on with a map to suit, it will be as fast as you could ever want it to go.

There will come a point where available power will overwhelm available grip and then all your doing is chewing up tyres. Im running a tad over 300 WHP on an S60 and it will spin the wheels in 3rd gear on a dry road..... and mines an auto ! Driving in the wet is like driving on ice.

I really do think that 300 ish WHP is about the limit of usable power on these cars ( usable as in everday use) anymore than that and it makes driving the car quite hard..... or maybe im just simply getting old :-(

Id get the car on a dyno and see what you BHP and Torque figures are, the volvos are not big BHP producers but they do give very good torque numbers. I would expect you to be well over the 400nm mark with that set up and with a good usable range under the curve.

Most of us get to the 300 ish whp figure and realise that for road use thats pretty much enough as the torque figures hit 420 - 430 nm, the track and drag boys will say you can never have enough lol.

Good luck with it, but as said if you want more power you will need to do the rods or you'll bend them, maybe forged pistons as well. As is normal with these cars you can get to the 280ish mark with not to much expense, to get up to the 300 gets expensive and to get any more starts to become really big money for not that much gain.

Mongo
Monday 4th April 2011, 16:18
Ok wegal thanks for your advice iv just seen a few of the sweedish cars on youtube and iv been talking to some (who speak english) and there runing massive power. Sw autos advised forged pistons hrods stand alone management fuel pump injectors and a f***off turbo lol and that should get me around the 400bhp mark but not sure what to do. Im half way through a renault5 turbo powerd mini in the front for my weekend toy so mite spend some money on that instead 200bhp is achivable not easy but doable.
Thanks agen

wegal
Monday 4th April 2011, 17:01
R5Turbo.... sits back in chair and remembers the good ole days.... god i loved those cars, true pocket rocket, owned 2 over the years, would have another tomorrow if i could a) find a unmolested standard one and b) make enough room on the drive and c) persuade the G/F that what I really need is yet another weekend car :-)

Mongo
Monday 4th April 2011, 17:55
Haha yea they are brilliant for what they are. Just one more qustion wegal iv justed pulled this info together from stuart at sw autos he said get my forged h-rods, t3 flange+ 400bhp rated turbo, walbro 245/255 fuel pump and the technical bit, a injection controller system so i can drill onto my intake pipe and put two injectors in the pipe so this will give me a good air/fuel ratio and he could map my rica ecu to get it set up and achive the 400bhp. ive looked on the net and many people are using it sounds effective and quite a money saver too?? Good or bad idea?
Thanks

leet5r
Monday 4th April 2011, 21:06
type in volflo in to google, he is running a 19t , so ad keep that as there a good turbo m if i had 2k and a 19t already , ad get rods for a defo as that the weakest link injectors vxr or bigger , s60r manifold , ported tb and ported head , and if ya had anything left over after the map ad look into a intercooler , hope that helps

Alan M
Monday 4th April 2011, 21:40
Haha yea they are brilliant for what they are. Just one more qustion wegal iv justed pulled this info together from stuart at sw autos he said get my forged h-rods, t3 flange+ 400bhp rated turbo, walbro 245/255 fuel pump and the technical bit, a injection controller system so i can drill onto my intake pipe and put two injectors in the pipe so this will give me a good air/fuel ratio and he could map my rica ecu to get it set up and achive the 400bhp. ive looked on the net and many people are using it sounds effective and quite a money saver too?? Good or bad idea?
Thanks

If you have the money to spend and a list of quite good parts already (FB's old car by chance and Bonelorry's) you can get a new K24 from Rufe FRF Volvo for around £800 and a Turbo tuner ECUat around £600 then use the rest for mapping by a professional and new injectors to boot.

Mongo
Tuesday 5th April 2011, 08:14
Thanks everyone for your help im going to have a good look at many parts and way to do it and try and price up what i need and go from there.
Thanks again for the advice

Tim Williams
Wednesday 6th April 2011, 01:53
Drilling an intake pipe to fit extra fuel injectors is a very poor way of increasing the fueling and not required. 400BHP isn't hard to get but I would advise using the best components you can get and avoid half assed shortcuts if you want it to be reliable. With rod, headwork and other suitable breathing mods the 19T will perform very well and far better than it is now.

Mongo
Wednesday 6th April 2011, 12:31
Cheers tim what parts should i look at if u have names, codes and prices would be brilliant thanks.

t5_monkey
Wednesday 6th April 2011, 12:39
Get it to 300whp and spend the rest on the handling and brakes :)

As quicker as mine is now than standard, It's the handling that puts a smile on your face when you can close people down or get away easily and safety down windy B-roads.

streaky744
Wednesday 6th April 2011, 20:19
cheapest mod on the market you have over looked. weight reduction. you can remove excess weight and still have a comfy car.

just another thought for you

Tim Williams
Wednesday 6th April 2011, 23:25
Cheers tim what parts should i look at if u have names, codes and prices would be brilliant thanks.

It depends on exactly what you want from it and what use it will get, I would go out in some cars of approx the power levels you are interested in to find what you like.

Mongo
Monday 2nd May 2011, 23:01
Drilling an intake pipe to fit extra fuel injectors is a very poor way of increasing the fueling and not required. 400BHP isn't hard to get but I would advise using the best components you can get and avoid half assed shortcuts if you want it to be reliable. With rod, headwork and other suitable breathing mods the 19T will perform very well and far better than it is now.

Hey tim iv been out in a few differnt 380+ bhp cars and i really like them. Im just not sure what parts ill need im booking it in for a rolling road this week then ill probley get forged rods asap ive found some for £425 what ecu and injectors, breathing mods do you think? Thanks

jardon
Tuesday 3rd May 2011, 17:39
Drilling an intake pipe to fit extra fuel injectors is a very poor way of increasing the fueling and not required. 400BHP isn't hard to get but I would advise using the best components you can get and avoid half assed shortcuts if you want it to be reliable. With rod, headwork and other suitable breathing mods the 19T will perform very well and far better than it is now.

+1

I have a re-worked 19t and enough torque to overwhelm both tyres even with my Gripper LSD on a dry road in 3rd. It revs happily to 7500 rpm in low gears and 60-100 takes 5.6 secs on a GPS datalogger (and weighs at least 100kg more than yours). Never had it on a dyno but it is very quick with "bolt on" mods.

Don't start drilling holes in your intake pipe! Consider rods, mapping, injectors, intercooler, DP+exhaust, water injection, wider intake piping no matter to optimise whatever turbo you have fitted. Headwork will always release more power - even with small turbos like ours (a must if your aiming at 400BHP).

My biggest gains in straight line performance over others running similar hardware appear to be in mapping and cooling (MTE and Aquamist). It's not rocket science and follows a well trodden path.

Your flywheel and crank should be fine if they are in good condition.