850 T5 Kompressor Project

[claymore]

Great news Colin, you must be pleased.
Always an apprehensive time


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtYQqHmsEGs&feature=youtu.be

[T5frankie]

nice mate, so whats the spec now engine wise?

[claymore]

nice mate, so whats the spec now engine wise?

The engine has an v70/s60 t5 2005 model head with the vvt cams and the vvt deleted with blanks made. So they are now fixed much like the 850 items with 15 degrees of adjustment. The head has the smaller valve stems and is ported and polished. It also has solid lifters s60r head gasket.

The block is a 2000 model 2.4 v70r 83mm piston type with Mahle pistons, new rings and has sten parner h section rods with arp studs.

gt3076 hybrid, 3" exhaust with no cat.

[T5frankie]

The engine has an v70/s60 t5 2005 model head with the vvt cams and the vvt deleted with blanks made. So they are now fixed much like the 850 items with 15 degrees of adjustment. The head has the smaller valve stems and is ported and polished. It also has solid lifters s60r head gasket.

The block is a 2000 model 2.4 v70r 83mm piston type with Mahle pistons, new rings and has sten parner h section rods with arp studs.

gt3076 hybrid, 3" exhaust with no cat.

nice so a 14.69 is dfefinetely on the cards mate

[claymore]

nice so a 14.69 is dfefinetely on the cards mate
14.68 I hope with the R gearbox

[Jamest5r]

Great news mate :)

[hybriduno]

love this car :)

[S70T5Chris]

Looking good mate

[T5frankie]

14.68 I hope with the R gearbox

lol you will break that in 5 minutes they are made of cheese

[claymore]

lol you will break that in 5 minutes they are made of cheese
I'm not as hard on the mechanics as some ;)

[Nealevo]

High twelves..... Aim high :-)

[LiamT4]

The engine has an v70/s60 t5 2005 model head with the vvt cams and the vvt deleted with blanks made. So they are now fixed much like the 850 items with 15 degrees of adjustment. The head has the smaller valve stems and is ported and polished. It also has solid lifters s60r head gasket.

The block is a 2000 model 2.4 v70r 83mm piston type with Mahle pistons, new rings and has sten parner h section rods with arp studs.

gt3076 hybrid, 3" exhaust with no cat.

No supercharger now?

[claymore]

No supercharger now?, yes still with the charger.

[martybelfastt5]

that mixed volvo sandwhich under the bonnet sounds great!!!!

[iancho]

Lovely Colin... Just lovely! :smile:

[claymore]

I seem to have a bit of a smoke issue :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWrDBDDcuFc&feature=youtu.be

[smithy]

Seems likes its missing too.

[t5 pete]

glad you got it all back together any ideas on the smoking issues is it a case of mixture or as it looks to me its when the engine is on over run after pressure

[claymore]

Seems likes its missing too.

it's just running on a completely standard map at the moment, i haven't even calibrated the injectors yet


glad you got it all back together any ideas on the smoking issues is it a case of mixture or as it looks to me its when the engine is on over run after pressure

It's getting better the more we run the engine, I wonder if the valve guide seals have gone hard as the engine has been standing a couple of years.

[smithy]

Tune the injectors mate and in the engine for abit proberly just needs to bed in again.

[t5 pete]

it's just running on a completely standard map at the moment, i haven't even calibrated the injectors yet



It's getting better the more we run the engine, I wonder if the valve guide seals have gone hard as the engine has been standing a couple of years.

Could very well have done they are a common problem on our cars when i burnt a valve on my original head i swaped it off another engine i had sat around for a couple of years and that smoked but never did when i first got the engine so likley with all the oil drained to the bottom the rubber goes hard or can even perish

[claymore]

Tune the injectors mate and in the engine for abit proberly just needs to bed in again.
I havne't put the greens in yet, my policy is always to leave as much the same as it was, so if there is a problem starting the car after an engine change, your not chasing your own tail. now that I know it runs I'll put the adjustable fuel pressure regulator on and put the greens in. there's loads to do on Monday.

[smithy]

I havne't put the greens in yet, my policy is always to leave as much the same as it was, so if there is a problem starting the car after an engine change, your not chasing your own tail. now that I know it runs I'll put the adjustable fuel pressure regulator on and put the greens in. there's loads to do on Monday.

Look forward to the new vids mate .

[claymore]

Greens are now on, along with the adjustable fuel pressure regulator, the car is no longer smoking (well, not strictly true, it's over-fueling at the moment until I adjust it tomorrow) so I hope to actually drive it tomorrow afternoon.

[hybriduno]

Yay :) good news :)

[theflyingbrick]

what pressure you running on the fuel reg??

[claymore]

what pressure you running on the fuel reg??

3.8bar (55psi)

[Jamest5r]

Come on then Colin you driven it today????

[claymore]

Come on then Colin you driven it today????
Afraid not mate, got the fuel pressure sorted, but it's all the little things that seem to zap the time. tomorrow I need to drop the evans pre treatment and put the proper coolant in and re-fit the bonnet, then a test drive, I hope it's better than before, or all this will have been a waste of time.

[Jamest5r]

It will be fine mate what could possibly go wrong :)

[V70 Graham]

It will be fine mate what could possibly go wrong :)

Did you really just say that !

Hope all goes well tomorrow Colin.

[claymore]

It will be fine mate what could possibly go wrong :)
I'm going to Uxbridge on Saturday, so a bit apprehensive.

[Jamest5r]

I'm going to Uxbridge on Saturday, so a bit apprehensive.


what map you going to be running?? some kind person sent me a MTE last week which ive been working on and its the best so far :)

[claymore]

what map you going to be running?? some kind person sent me a MTE last week which ive been working on and its the best so far :)
I've got to start from scratch, it won't run with any of my other maps, won't even start on the map I was using before, all my fueling figures on TT are really low compared to before.

[Jamest5r]

I've got to start from scratch, it won't run with any of my other maps, won't even start on the map I was using before, all my fueling figures on TT are really low compared to before.

What you mean by low? just interested cos :)

[claymore]

well, before I was running blues @ 3 bar, so I would have to put a much higher duty cycle* in. now with bigger injectors @ 3.8 bar, they don't need to squirt for as long.



*correct term?

[hybriduno]

injector latency :)

[Jamest5r]

For starting alone you can consentrate on the 1st 4x4 boxes in the top left hand corner, ive done alot of work in this area lol

[claymore]

For starting alone you can consentrate on the 1st 4x4 boxes in the top left hand corner, ive done alot of work in this area lol

Yep, it's all good now :)

[claymore]

Well first drive went without drama, apart from once I go past 6psi the car splutters, but it's just a case of live mapping it on the weekend :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxii3zfuuNU&feature=youtu.be

[T5frankie]

did it pull well at 6psi?

[claymore]

did it pull well at 6psi?
Very well, I think the 3" exhaust is making a big difference.

[T5frankie]

Very well, I think the 3" exhaust is making a big difference.


i got to find a downpipe

[Nealevo]

Glad it's up and running hope he mapping goes well ! Sounded rather rude.

[claymore]

i got to find a downpipe
How am I going to get this engine to you?

[V70 Graham]

Glad she's running Colin, hopefully all sorted after the weekend.

[T5frankie]

How am I going to get this engine to you?

we'll sort it out another time, probably avon mate

[smithy]

Weldone mate cannot wait for Avon now should be good and you never know you might get a 14.5 this time

[MoleT-5R]

Nice vid colin, good to see it back on the road and it was only minutes from us on sunday.

[T5frankie]

Weldone mate cannot wait for Avon now should be good and you never know you might get a 14.5 this time

at least he will be taking part

[Volvostorm]

Nice video Col, I didn't realise our 2 cars were built so close together!

[claymore]

Weldone mate cannot wait for Avon now should be good and you never know you might get a 14.5 this time
I'll be happy with a 14.6 :), but would prefer a 13.6 ;)

[LiamT4]

Good to see it up and running colin.

[WOODY T5]

Well done mate carnt wait to see it on the 1/4mile;-)

[Jamest5r]

I'll be happy with a 14.6 :), but would prefer a 13.6 ;)

Yeah me too.

[T5frankie]

Yeah me too.

me too lol

[claymore]

It's got to be better than last years washout.

[T5frankie]

It's got to be better than last years washout.

its cos you lot concentrate on only a few specific days at avon or york where its 50/50 chance of rain, you should be more spontaneous and come over to santa pod more often, rwyb all the time

[claymore]

its cos you lot concentrate on only a few specific days at avon or york where its 50/50 chance of rain, you should be more spontaneous and come over to santa pod more often, rwyb all the time

Agreed, but I have something on every month this year, sometimes 2 events a month.

[t5 pete]

Well done grandad its always nice when things come together good luck with the tuning i wouldnt have a clue what to do after nuts and bolts im lost lol

[iancho]

The Monster lives on... good to hear that sweet sound again on the roads :smile:

[claymore]

I've had a play with the fueling, and although it needs a little tweaking, I'm quite pleased, I do need to address the camera mount though ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ByTNxr4YVY&feature=youtu.be

[hybriduno]

Awesome :)

[Jamest5r]

Post your table then mate would be interested to see.

[claymore]

Post your table then mate would be interested to see.
Might be worth starting a new thread for TT tables, so that all TT users can compare notes.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/2013-02-15152446.jpg

[smithy]

Nice vid what boost you running mate because it picks up well.i cannot wait to do a vid of mine like your to see the comparison .my turbo comes in abit more aggressive than yours though.

[claymore]

Nice vid what boost you running mate because it picks up well.i cannot wait to do a vid of mine like your to see the comparison .my turbo comes in abit more aggressive than yours though.

I'm just running 18 to 20psi at the moment

[T5frankie]

question is, is it quicker?

[smithy]

I'm going out in James car later we will try and do a vid too

[V70 Graham]

Looking very good Colin, shame it still needs a little tweaking.....would have been great just to have seen the car tomorrow.....if you change your mind you know where we'll be :smile:

[k9plums]

from the passenger seat it felt quicker, and it definitely felt like it was putting the power down better, I couldn't hold the camera steady at all especially when the boost really kicked in.

[claymore]

question is, is it quicker?

It's very difficult to tell, because it doesn't spin it's wheels so easy now. But I think it must be.

[iancho]

Well done for getting it this far, always a nervous few days to begin with.

[WOODY T5]

looks a lot better mate well done sounds mint

[T5frankie]

get it on the rollers tomorrow colin lol

[claymore]

get it on the rollers tomorrow colin lol

too far a journey to risk at the moment, I will be going on my local dyno on sunday, just for a comparison run

[claymore]

Looks like it's the end of my association with volvo. New engine is §§§§ed, blown it's head gasket in only about 20 miles of driving it. I'm not throwing any more time at it. I'll go back to tuning fiats, at least they don't throw their dummies out as soon as you give them some boost.

[T5frankie]

oh crap mate sorry to hear that, just leave it alone for a weak you may feel different, my s70r needs its 4th engine

[Nealevo]

Looks like it's the end of my association with volvo. New engine is §§§§ed, blown it's head gasket in only about 20 miles of driving it. I'm not throwing any more time at it. I'll go back to tuning fiats, at least they don't throw their dummies out as soon as you give them some boost.

Noooo way, really sorry to hear that, don't give up, my fiat coupe turbo was very problematic to the point it set itself on fire!!
To much time has been spent to give up.

[claymore]

Noooo way, really sorry to hear that, don't give up, my fiat coupe turbo was very problematic to the point it set itself on fire!!
To much time has been spent to give up.
Na, its the end of the road for me.

[Jamest5r]

Looks like it's the end of my association with volvo. New engine is §§§§ed, blown it's head gasket in only about 20 miles of driving it. I'm not throwing any more time at it. I'll go back to tuning fiats, at least they don't throw their dummies out as soon as you give them some boost.


Very sorry to here that mate, give it a couple of days till you do anything drastic.

[claymore]

Looks like the new fuel pump went, I can only get 20psi fuel pressure now, so I think it's melted a piston.

[danny-R]

Nightmare mate

[LiamT4]

Not good news at all. Why don't you try again but without the supercharger?

[claymore]

Not good news at all. Why don't you try again but without the supercharger?
It was nothing to do with the supercharger, it was the new fuel pump let go

[V70 Graham]

So sorry to hear your news Colin, I know it's no help but as others have said maybe give it a day or two.

[martybelfastt5]

ahh no mate! dont like hearing this at all:sick:

[smithy]

Don't give up mate things happen .if I was you I would take the head off and see if the is any damage and also check you fuel system too.

[t5 pete]

Really £££££ news colin but keep the faith youve come this far it would be a total shame to stop now.
Has the head gasket and pump gone or is it just the pump also what pump did you use and what boost were you making

[Wobbly Dave]

Looks like it's the end of my association with volvo. New engine is §§§§ed, blown it's head gasket in only about 20 miles of driving it. I'm not throwing any more time at it. I'll go back to tuning fiats, at least they don't throw their dummies out as soon as you give them some boost.

Really disappointed for you - after you've been going so well down this road. I have spare standard pistons & rods you can have for nothing. Don't give up now?!?

[JT]

As Already said............dont give up now!!!
you've done soooo much work, most of which is totally unique to a volvo!
I'm having a break myself, but I wont give up:)

chin up mate

JT

[claymore]

To answer the questions, I was using the walbro 255, I tried the standard pump back in and still only 20 psi, so it looks like the adjustable fpr has failed, regardless, the engine is pressurizing the water and I have steam out of the exhaust, although the engine itself sounds ok. It was boosting quite happily to 25psi, and ohh my god was it quick.

[EddyP]

Real shame to see, as others have said already, give it some time and give it another thought.

If you do decide to get rid though, I might be interested in your crank and turbo ;)

[claymore]

Real shame to see, as others have said already, give it some time and give it another thought.

If you do decide to get rid though, I might be interested in your crank and turbo ;)



Lol, the vultures are circling :D

[t5 pete]

Real shame to see, as others have said already, give it some time and give it another thought.

If you do decide to get rid though, I might be interested in your crank and turbo ;)

Pmsl i woundered how long it would take

[t5 pete]

Oh forgot colin i need the tt lol but for god sake dont break it have a cool off period and get it back up and running

[JT]

Real shame to see, as others have said already, give it some time and give it another thought.

If you do decide to get rid though, I might be interested in your crank and turbo ;)

NOT GONNA HAPPEN!!!!!

[claymore]

I think what makes it worse is having had a taste of what it was like, I know for a fact the gearbox hasn't got a hope in hell of keeping up.

[JT]

:):):):)
even more reason to keep at it!!

I'm looking forward to a passenger ride at trax!! :)

[t5 pete]

I think what makes it worse is having had a taste of what it was like, I know for a fact the gearbox hasn't got a hope in hell of keeping up.

quaife time then

[EddyP]

Which gearbox are you using? plenty of people are putting 400+bhp through M56s aren't they?

Didn't mean to be a vulture, but thought i'd mention it as i'm desperate for some parts at the moment ;)

[Nealevo]

Well as its proven many times in the past, if you need help with anything then there are loads of willing helpers about just ask, don't do anything too hasty, 2 steps forward, 1 step back it's never straight forward in life..

[claymore]

Which gearbox are you using? plenty of people are putting 400+bhp through M56s aren't they?

Didn't mean to be a vulture, but thought i'd mention it as i'm desperate for some parts at the moment ;)
I'm using the M59. M56 would be great but I can't stretch to a gripper.

[WOODY T5]

Don't do it col wont be the shame without u and your car round here chin up mate start again;-)

[the young mechanic]

Dont do it not now not eva

[claymore]

I can allways put the old engine back in for now (sorry Frankie)

[t5 pete]

I can allways put the old engine back in for now (sorry Frankie)

There you go for a case of 2 days work colin get it back up and running

[the young mechanic]

Yea but dont run 25psi

[T5frankie]

I can allways put the old engine back in for now (sorry Frankie)
thats ok mate, rather see you stay on the forum with your old beast

[smithy]

I can allways put the old engine back in for now (sorry Frankie)

Take the head off first and put standard fpr back on .what fpr was you using mate

[claymore]

Standard fpr isn't the right pressure, I was using an fse adjustable one.

[smithy]

Standard fpr isn't the right pressure, I was using an fse adjustable one.

Is it a black top one or a Fse boost valve

[claymore]

Is it a black top one or a Fse boost valve

It's not a black top, so probably a boost valve? It was fine on the old engine.

[smithy]

It's not a black top, so probably a boost valve? It was fine on the old engine.

The black top is a reference fpr and 1to1 ratio the Fse boost valve isn't mate.i had a black top fpr on my 940 and had no probs at all .i would get one of those mate or a 3.8 fpr

[smithy]

It's not a black top, so probably a boost valve? It was fine on the old engine.

I have a nuke fpr that will run 1to1 ratio for over a thousand bhp if you want to try that one

[MoleT-5R]

So sorry for you Colin, was really looking forward to see what you could do with the car this year, I hope in a couple of days that you feel differently about this and can pick yourself up and push on with the project, we all know that your that close to success mate

[t5steve]

don't give up colin..............you are an inspiration to all of us...............

[ExternalError]

Don't quit man

[claymore]

This mornings update, Fuel pump replaced and now have fuel pressure again. Looks like I may have dodge the bullet and just a knackered head gasket.

[Nealevo]

See that's the spirit lol.... Pull your finger out then.

[t5 pete]

This mornings update, Fuel pump replaced and now have fuel pressure again. Looks like I may have dodge the bullet and just a knackered head gasket.

Good news then colin so it was the walbro pump thne?

[hybriduno]

Really had my fingers crossed and it looks like it worked for you!
This is a good day!

[claymore]

Good news then colin so it was the walbro pump thne?

Well, i have fuel pressure now, so i assume so.

[t5 pete]

Not too good then for a new pump

[claymore]

Not too good then for a new pump

Well, although it was 'new', I'd had it lying around for over a year, and can't even remember where I got it from.

[M-R-P]

So, she dodges the scrappy once again... looking forward to seeing it again at Sparkford in May.

[smithy]

This mornings update, Fuel pump replaced and now have fuel pressure again. Looks like I may have dodge the bullet and just a knackered head gasket.

What pump are you using now mate

[martybelfastt5]

yes fingers crossed

[V70 Graham]

Good news mate, I think we ALL had our fingers crossed for you.

[claymore]

Thought I might try and cheer myself up,

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130217_122050.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130217_123802.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130217_123814.jpg



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vg1ZIUspNvk&feature=youtu.be

[stribo]

Sounds great, glad it's not been consigned to the scrappy.

[T5frankie]

what was the outcome on the rollers?

[claymore]

what was the outcome on the rollers?
I knew you would be the first to ask, the run was aborted at 5000rpm because the water temp went straight off the gauge. but i don't want to upset you.

[smithy]

Sounds good on the rollers mate

[V70 Graham]

I knew you would be the first to ask, the run was aborted at 5000rpm because the water temp went straight off the gauge. but i don't want to upset you.

Upset him Colin.....

[stribo]

Upset him Colin.....

Someone wants payback :lol:

[claymore]

Upset him Colin.....

;)

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/results-1.jpg

[Harvey]

Nice numbers there.

[smithy]

What are numbers mate on the rollers in whp and crank

[claymore]

What are numbers mate on the rollers in whp and crank
FFS Smithy, you and your whp, lol, it was crank hp

[Nealevo]

FFS Smithy, you and your whp, lol, it was crank hp

You should have said wheels and scared everyone!!!

[Jamest5r]

What were the afr's on that run mate

[claymore]

Too lean at around 12s, but I need to ditch the adjustable fpr and put an me7 one on, that should sort it.

[smithy]

FFS Smithy, you and your whp, lol, it was crank hp

Ok what was the power at crank and torque please

[claymore]

Ok what was the power at crank and torque please

can't you see the picture, bhp =331.7 @ 5000rpm, torque = 361.3 lbft @4400rpm

[smithy]

can't you see the picture, bhp =331.7 @ 5000rpm, torque = 361.3 lbft @4400rpm

Nice figuires mate what boost was that.

[claymore]

Nice figuires mate what boost was that.
Not sure, about 14psi

[smithy]

Sounds good but will you beat me on the strip though with my 140 bhp

[claymore]

Sounds good but will you beat me on the strip though with my 140 bhp
Not a chance

[T5frankie]

really pleased for you mate, get it sorted and give dean something to worry about

[claymore]

really pleased for you mate, get it sorted and give dean something to worry about
there is at least another 100bhp in it with the boost up to what it was running before it went pop. and with another 3000 revs to go.

[T5frankie]

there is at least another 100bhp in it with the boost up to what it was running before it went pop. and with another 3000 revs to go.

cool, so i take it you have calmed down a bit now and not gonna crush the old girl?

[MoleT-5R]

Good to hear its no longer doom and gloom, great to see the figures are showing reward for your effort and that your moving in the right direction and your not far off now. Sounded great on the rollers, will have to have a ride out in it soon

[claymore]

cool, so i take it you have calmed down a bit now and not gonna crush the old girl?
Now that I know what caused the problem and got away with just a head gasket :)

[t5 pete]

cool, so i take it you have calmed down a bit now and not gonna crush the old girl?

I hope not with the power it's making at them revs it would be a real monster when all set up and running properly so get your finger out grandad and get the old girl back to her best

[smithy]

I'm really worked now that I have no chance against anybody when I get the old girl on the strip .

[t5 pete]

I'm really worked now that I have no chance against anybody when I get the old girl on the strip .

Don't worried dude you will beat me not because ill have the smallest turbo but because I'm §§§§ at 1/4 mile lol it's the taking part that counts well I keep telling my self that

[smithy]

Don't worried dude you will beat me not because ill have the smallest turbo but because I'm §§§§ at 1/4 mile lol it's the taking part that counts well I keep telling my self that

We will see after may when I've run her in properly and then tune her up abit .but with all these tuned up beasts around I am worried what the old girl will be like against all of you.

[EddyP]

Was it a GT3071R you fitted? 0.86AR?

Which adjustable reg were you using? i've heard some awful stories about the Chinese ones, apparently one of the only ones worth trusting are the Aeromotive ones, but they're pretty expensive.

[claymore]

Was it a GT3071R you fitted? 0.86AR?

Which adjustable reg were you using? i've heard some awful stories about the Chinese ones, apparently one of the only ones worth trusting are the Aeromotive ones, but they're pretty expensive.
Yes it's a chinese carrot, but I only run it at about 12psi, so there isn't much strain on it, and the way I look at it, I can replace it 7 times before it will cost the same as a Garrett gt3076.

[t5steve]

good to see its not terminal colin....................

[MoleT-5R]

Just thought I'll pop a post up and dare to ask how things are going with the T5-K mate and have you still got your sanity, well what little you had before started....lol

[claymore]

Just thought I'll pop a post up and dare to ask how things are going with the T5-K mate and have you still got your sanity, well what little you had before started....lol
Nothing happening at the moment, work is getting in the way.

[MoleT-5R]

Nothing happening at the moment, work is getting in the way.

work has to be done, just thought you were a little quiet on the project and was hoping to here that you'd almost got it all sorted so I'll have a great time watching you blast down the strip next month.

[iancho]

We all live the dream through you Colin.... I hope you continue to put some life back into her as there will always be setbacks with a project this big. Thanks for sharing the ups and downs with us we are all behind you. :smile:

[claymore]

Time for an update: head gasket is fine, but what a §§§§ing surprise, I am now a member of the split liner club :(, what I want now is advice/ opinions on the quickest most cost effective solution. can i fit the rods out of the 2.4 into my 2.3 engine, can I use the cylinder head off the 2.4 on my 2.3, can i use the crank off the 2.4? is it possible to drop the crank without taking the cylinder head off, and lastly would it be better to get a second hand 2.4 block. sorry about all the questions.
Also, on stripping down the engine, I'm very unimpressed by the quality of the build and strongly suspect that the liner was already split when I bought the engine.

[M-R-P]

Gutted for you mate - what a $h1tter!

I would imagine sourcing a 2nd 2.4 block would be a better way to go, since you're after moving the rods etc over any way but I suppose it would depend on availability.

Doesn't your new S60 have a 2.4 block...?

[claymore]

Gutted for you mate - what a $h1tter!

I would imagine sourcing a 2nd 2.4 block would be a better way to go, since you're after moving the rods etc over any way but I suppose it would depend on availability.

Doesn't your new S60 have a 2.4 block...?

Why yes, yes it does :)

[M-R-P]

Shank's pony for the missus then lol

[M-R-P]

at least this didn't happen...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBF6iZfguF0

[oblark]

From what I can remember is the 2.4 is 83 mm dia bore but has the same stroke as the 2.3

Can only remove the crank with the head still on, to remove pistons and rods you have remove the head.

[Wobbly Dave]

Sorry to hear of your woes. Hope you're back up & running soon

[claymore]

Sorry to hear of your woes. Hope you're back up & running soon
Looks like I'll be doing a Smithy and forgetting about any racing this season.

[t5 pete]

Im sure if your wanting to use the longer rods in the 2.3 you will also have to use the shorter pistons but the bore will be different from the 2.3 to the 2.4 weather you can have the 2.3 bored out to accomadate and not have any liner problems i havent got a clue

[claymore]

Tim Williams seemed to imply that the pistons, rods and crank would fit into my block, I'll have a chat with him tomorrow.

[T5frankie]

Looks like I'll be doing a Smithy and forgetting about any racing this season.

so thats you, me, and dave that wont be ready fro avon lol

[EddyP]

Have a read of these:

http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/index.php/topic/127915-what-cylinder-head-to-use-for-best-performance-with-23l-block/

http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/topic/135486-revised-n-whiteblock/

[stribo]

so thats you, me, and dave that wont be ready fro avon lol

I might have a chance of getting the C70 into the top 5 then. ;)

[Jamest5r]

Time for an update: head gasket is fine, but what a §§§§ing surprise, I am now a member of the split liner club :(, what I want now is advice/ opinions on the quickest most cost effective solution. can i fit the rods out of the 2.4 into my 2.3 engine, can I use the cylinder head off the 2.4 on my 2.3, can i use the crank off the 2.4? is it possible to drop the crank without taking the cylinder head off, and lastly would it be better to get a second hand 2.4 block. sorry about all the questions.
Also, on stripping down the engine, I'm very unimpressed by the quality of the build and strongly suspect that the liner was already split when I bought the engine.

FFS mate that's crap, cheapest way i can see is scrap what you have apart from the rods and pistons and throw them into another 2.4 block maybe??

If you need help with anything give us a shout :)

[claymore]

FFS mate that's crap, cheapest way i can see is scrap what you have apart from the rods and pistons and throw them into another 2.4 block maybe??

If you need help with anything give us a shout :)
I think I'm going to put the crank and rods with short pistons into my old 2.3

[Jamest5r]

I think I'm going to put the crank and rods with short pistons into my old 2.3

What bore are the pistons?

[claymore]

I've got some 81mm short pistons just been offered to me.

[Jamest5r]

I've got some 81mm short pistons just been offered to me.

Happy Day's then :)

[claymore]

At least I'll know I've got a good engine.

[Jamest5r]

At least I'll know I've got a good engine.

Yep i went through a few dogs till i realised i had to do it myself to know what i had, i heard a story about that block from when it was in its original car if its the same one im thinking of.

[claymore]

Do you want to pm me?

[claymore]

Update: Looks like I've just bought a block that's already shimmed, honed and ready to take all my bits.

[Jamest5r]

Do you want to pm me?

Sent


Update: Looks like I've just bought a block that's already shimmed, honed and ready to take all my bits.

Happy day's mate, yeah its cost you a bit of dough but in the long run you've probably saved :)

[WOODY T5]

so thats you, me, and dave that wont be ready fro avon lolyeah and me to ?

[T5frankie]

yeah and me to ?

really why?

[smithy]

I'm glad you got it sorted mate.i fitted s60r rods and pistons into an lpt block and that worked great .it also drops the pistons slightly down the bore so it drops the compression too.just an idea for you and that engine was run at 1.8 bar and never a problem with a t35 hybrid witch James has now .

[claymore]

Thanks to Shem of t5d5 for coming to the rescue, I now have a replacement v70r block already shimmed and ready to accept all my parts.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130308_161207.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130308_161222.jpg

[T5frankie]

nice mate, nice to get back on track with it

[t5 pete]

S60r block arnt them 2.5 and not 2.4 what u need

[The Flying Moose]

Ah, so a 2.5 you'll have now then?

Correct me if Im wrong but are these blocks not known for being weaker than the 2.4 you just had issues with? Split liners being the key issue?

In any case happy for you mate and hopefully all sorted soon.

[iancho]

Good to see your starting to get things moving again :)

[T5frankie]

Ah, so a 2.5 you'll have now then?

Correct me if Im wrong but are these blocks not known for being weaker than the 2.4 you just had issues with? Split liners being the key issue?

In any case happy for you mate and hopefully all sorted soon.

its been shimmed already

[claymore]

S60r block arnt them 2.5 and not 2.4 what u need


Ah, so a 2.5 you'll have now then?

Correct me if Im wrong but are these blocks not known for being weaker than the 2.4 you just had issues with? Split liners being the key issue?



In any case happy for you mate and hopefully all sorted soon.
Opps, I ment v70r, 2.4, I've edited it now, I was just talking about an s60r and put the wrong thing in...lol

[V70 Graham]

Opps, I ment v70r, 2.4, I've edited it now, I was just talking about an s60r and put the wrong thing in...lol

What's that 'lol' at the end of the post, does it mean your smiling again ? :wink:
Glad your back on the way to sorting your problem mate.

[stribo]

Glad to see you're on your way to sorting it. :B_thumb:

[smithy]

Opps, I ment v70r, 2.4, I've edited it now, I was just talking about an s60r and put the wrong thing in...lol

Is that a 2435 block mate

[T5frankie]

Is that a 2435 block mate

no its a 123456 block

[smithy]

no its a 123456 block

Lol

[Brett855tdi]

Good to hear your back in business again Colin... we all knew you wouldnt be down long ;)

I hope this new one brings you better fortune! Keen to see it on the dyno again after last time.

[claymore]

New Update: The new block has two cracked liners, but has been shimmed and repaired by Tim Williams, and after a chat with him, he says it will be fine, so my block has one liner cracked and Tim sees no reason why I can't simply repair my block, so that will save a huge amount of work. Also, if it works I will have a 2.4 shimmed block for sale.

[V70 Graham]

Good news Colin, saving on the man hours and having a block to sell, win win

[oblark]

New Update: The new block has two cracked liners, but has been shimmed and repaired by Tim Williams, and after a chat with him, he says it will be fine, so my block has one liner cracked and Tim sees no reason why I can't simply repair my block, so that will save a huge amount of work. Also, if it works I will have a 2.4 shimmed block for sale.

So 2.4 blocks split aswell........

I think the 2.3 block is a lot stronger....... when was the last time someone said they 2.3 block had a split liner ??????

[claymore]

2.3's don't split, but I was running stupid boost when mine went, so I'll rain that back in a bit when it's all back together.

[p fandango]

I think the 2.3 block is a lot stronger....... when was the last time someone said they 2.3 block had a split liner ??????
RT's did & running uprated sleeves now, but he is running 591bhp lol

[stribo]

So, even if a liner splits, as long as the engine's shimmed it's fine?

[claymore]

I know of quite a few on t5d5 with repaired split liners, the only down side is you may have a little coolant loss, I can live with that as long as it doesn't pressurize the coolant.

[smithy]

When I did my lpt I never had a split liner ever

[claymore]

When I did my lpt I never had a split liner ever

But what bhp were you running.

[smithy]

But what bhp were you running.

305whp but that was only at 1.34 bar but the car was run at 1.8 bar with no probs but could not fuel with me7 blues so I put vxr470 in ready for tuning but the car got smashed just after .

[claymore]

305whp but that was only at 1.34 bar but the car was run at 1.8 bar with no probs but could not fuel with me7 blues so I put vxr470 in ready for tuning but the car got smashed just after .
Liners tend to split with high boost and north of 400bhp

[smithy]

Liners tend to split with high boost and north of 400bhp

Mine would of pushed over 400 bhp if the car did not get smashed up

[claymore]

then you would have split your liners

[oblark]

Liners tend to split with high boost and north of 400bhp

For every litre you get 100bhp on a n/a engine and just under 200bhp when turbo'd

So a 2.3 turbo'd engine will only make a max of 460bhp any more than that and you asking for trouble.

[claymore]

For every litre you get 100bhp on a n/a engine and just under 200bhp when turbo'd

So a 2.3 turbo'd engine will only make a max of 460bhp any more than that and you asking for trouble.

I don't understand where you got them figures from, but they don't seem to make much sense.

[oblark]

I don't understand where you got them figures from, but they don't seem to make much sense.

When I was at college years ago we where told that in an ideal world a 1.0 litre N/A engine would produce 100 bhp, when you turbo a 1.0 litre engine in an ideal world it would produce 200 bhp, but as the internal combustion is so poor in turning air/fuel into power it would only produce about 60 bhp N/A or 120 bhp turbo`d.

So on those lines a 2.3 turbo`d engine in an ideal world produce 460 bhp.

Anything above this figure you are asking for engine failure eg, split liners.

[claymore]

I think that's much to much of a generalization, the reason the volvos split the liners is because of the stupid design of having a 10mm deep expansion slot at the top.

[EddyP]

When I was at college years ago we where told that in an ideal world a 1.0 litre N/A engine would produce 100 bhp, when you turbo a 1.0 litre engine in an ideal world it would produce 200 bhp, but as the internal combustion is so poor in turning air/fuel into power it would only produce about 60 bhp N/A or 120 bhp turbo`d.

So on those lines a 2.3 turbo`d engine in an ideal world produce 460 bhp.

Anything above this figure you are asking for engine failure eg, split liners.

Sorry but thats absolute rubbish.

There are plenty of engines out there, some even production engines that do more than that power per litre without regularly going pop.

Eg. Mitsibushi Evo VIII - 405 bhp from 2.0L or Suzuki Hayabusa GSX1300R - 197bhp from 1.3L etc...

[oblark]

Sorry but thats absolute rubbish.

There are plenty of engines out there, some even production engines that do more than that power per litre without regularly going pop.

Eg. Mitsibushi Evo VIII - 405 bhp from 2.0L or Suzuki Hayabusa GSX1300R - 197bhp from 1.3L etc...

motorbike engines rev a LOT higher than car engines

[claymore]

motorbike engines rev a LOT higher than car engines

And?

[EddyP]

motorbike engines rev a LOT higher than car engines


You didn't say it's only 100bhp/litre if they rev to 8k.

[Harvey]

I think that's much to much of a generalization, the reason the volvos split the liners is because of the stupid design of having a 10mm deep expansion slot at the top.

Or is the slot to help with cooling around the head gasket area,remove any traped air aswell the expansion.

[Harvey]

I have seen a lot of talk that the same clyinder liner seams to split is there a reason why that clyinder most of the time.

[claymore]

I'm not sure about that, i think it's pot luck. the liner thats split on mine No2 is different to the ones on my replacement block No3 and 4.

[smithy]

Also if you use the 2435 block and crank with s60r pistons and rods you drop the piston down the bore abit that drops the compression less heat on full boost.alot of peeps run the blocks with high boosting small turbos that produce alot of heat .

[claymore]

I've decided to repair my block rather than go through the hassle of swapping everything into the other block.

The first pic shows a normal expansion slot:
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130311_112742-1.jpg

Next pic shows the closed up slot and you can just about make out the crack
http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130311_112751-1.jpg

Next three pics show the shims and JB Weld in place.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130312_130353.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130312_130533.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130312_130541.jpg

[Wobbly Dave]

what's a JB weld?

[M-R-P]

There's always something on this thread that makes me go "wow". Keep it coming mate. :)

[claymore]

what's a JB weld?

Liquide metal Dave, withstands heat, pressure petrol, etc.

[t5 pete]

How are you repairing the liner colin?

[claymore]

From what I understand, and looking at my other block, it's just the jb weld and shims should stop the crack from opening under pressure.

[claymore]

Started on this today:

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130317_121517.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130317_121540.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130317_123959.jpg

[Harvey]

Looks like its off to the alu welder.

[claymore]

Looks like its off to the alu welder.

Not yet, there's a lot more to do yet. But here's a few more bits:

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130317_135546.jpg

I need an injector loom, if anyone's got one spare.

[Harvey]

Will the ecu handle the extra load of the extra injectors ,what is the wattage of a injector at WOT .

[claymore]

Will the ecu handle the extra load of the extra injectors ,what is the wattage of a injector at WOT .

It's been done before, so I assume so, but I can always have a chat with Adam if it doesn't work.

[martybelfastt5]

ohh like where this is going

[Jamest5r]

Neal had an old auto loom should still be knocking around

[claymore]

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130324_122348.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130324_122403.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130324_122413.jpg

[theflyingbrick]

yeah whatever im fitting an adjustable fuel reg to mine so ner ner :hidesbehi on a serious note though...............that looks epic :D

[smithy]

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130324_122348.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130324_122403.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u258/claymore2k/20130324_122413.jpg

Looks nice mate very similar to what I have done just make sure you have measured the pipes so the manifold fits.

[claymore]

Looks nice mate very similar to what I have done just make sure you have measured the pipes so the manifold fits.
Lol, Why would I want it to fit.

[smithy]

Lol, Why would I want it to fit.

Just saying that's all how's the engine going

[iancho]

I have no idea what I'm looking at or what your doing but it looks nice and shiny so i like it! :B_thumb:



Well done for sticking with this project Colin, it means alot to us who follow you :smile:

[claymore]

I have no idea what I'm looking at or what your doing but it looks nice and shiny so i like it! :B_thumb:



Well done for sticking with this project Colin, it means alot to us who follow you :smile:

I don't do shiny, so I'll probably paint it with crinkle finish paint.

[iancho]

I don't do shiny, so I'll probably paint it with crinkle finish paint.

Fair point but it still looks good :smile: