Kick Back .....

[st1t5]

Not meaning to get all boy racer'ish, but was having a wee blast on the motorway towards Edinburgh with a BMW 335i coupe, i have to say i was very impressed with how my C70 T5 held its own and basically kept on the tail of the 335 ...

Few questions though ....... whilst going from 3rd gear, to 4rth then to 5th .. hitting the upper rev range before changing, whilst lifting the clutch pedal up after every change the car would give a quick kickback ... apart from that the car was fine ....... any idea's ???
Also, is getting 17mpg normal if nipping on ? ...

[p fandango]

not sure what you mean by the kick back, but i've had the average mpg down to 14.7

[st1t5]

not sure what you mean by the kick back, but i've had the average mpg down to 14.7

Mmmm ... like a sudden jolt .... shock ....

It only done this when really pushed ... as i say it was perfect any other time ....

[mightywolf]

Mmmm ... like a sudden jolt .... shock ....

It only done this when really pushed ... as i say it was perfect any other time ....

sounds like it could be overboosting?? have you altered anything like the actuator arm. my first T5 did it cos someone had altered the actuator arm which goes to the wastegate, so all the power in the turbo was low down and by the time it hit the high revs the turbo had nothing left.
it felt like you had hit something for a second ie. a sharp jolt, and then as soon as you changed gear and the turbo spooled down again for a bit it was ok. not 100% certain but it does sound uncannily similar.

[st1t5]

sounds like it could be overboosting?? have you altered anything like the actuator arm. my first T5 did it cos someone had altered the actuator arm which goes to the wastegate, so all the power in the turbo was low down and by the time it hit the high revs the turbo had nothing left.
it felt like you had hit something for a second ie. a sharp jolt, and then as soon as you changed gear and the turbo spooled down again for a bit it was ok. not 100% certain but it does sound uncannily similar.

The car is totally standard mucker ... just the way i like it ...

Dont think it was overboost as it was'nt happening before changing gear but was happening as the clutch was being released, as it was hitting the biting point !! ..
The power delivery all the way through the rev range was great .. even at 3 figure speeds the car was still boosting perfect ....

[T5frankie]

Not meaning to get all boy racer'ish, but was having a wee blast on the motorway towards Edinburgh with a BMW 335i coupe, i have to say i was very impressed with how my C70 T5 held its own and basically kept on the tail of the 335 ...

Few questions though ....... whilst going from 3rd gear, to 4rth then to 5th .. hitting the upper rev range before changing, whilst lifting the clutch pedal up after every change the car would give a quick kickback ... apart from that the car was fine ....... any idea's ???
Also, is getting 17mpg normal if nipping on ? ...
you wanna race a 335d they are awesome one totally blew me away coming off a duel carriageway roundabout in my s70 t5

[jt racing]

Depends if they are remapped or not. The standard one is quick alright but a t5 will hold it.
Chipped tho they are a different kettle of fish...

[v70rade]

If you mean a 'shudder' through the transmision as the clutch re-engages after a 'racing' gear change? then it sounds like a problem I had with an Audi a few years back. That was eventually reduced (although never completely cured) by changing the Dual Mass Flywheel (and clutch, as the clutch was knackered). I assume yours has a DMF, in which case it is probably not worth worrying about until the clutch needs changing.

[yellowt5r]

can someone tell me the spec (performance) of the 3, 3.5i?

[T5frankie]

Depends if they are remapped or not. The standard one is quick alright but a t5 will hold it.
Chipped tho they are a different kettle of fish...

trust me a 335d will leave a t5 for dead 428ib ft of torque, 0-62 in 6.1 secs i just read an ad stating it was the fastest production diesel in the world

[T5frankie]

http://www.verdictoncars.com/jsp/vocmain.jsp?lnk=211&featureid=357&description=BMW%20335d%20Coupe

[T5frankie]

can someone tell me the spec (performance) of the 3, 3.5i?

3.5 is 302 bhp 0-60 in 5.6 secs its still a 3 litre just with 2 turbos and the 3 litre has 268 bhp 0-60 in 6 secs these are for the new models

[t5_monkey]

I'd suspect a 335D would be quicker in the real world than the 335i.

the 335 has 295lb-ft of torque flat from 1500 to 5200rpm - now it's a heavy car (1650kg) so would probably be slower than a chipped T5 (1450kg or so) through most of the rev range till it hit about 5000rpm and then would pull away a bit.

A 335d is auto only, and would pull away from a T5 from about 3000rpm upwards.

Both Beemers chip well - so if either was remapped - they would annihilate a T5 chipped or otherwise, so maybe that 335d you met was chipped ? :)

[yellowt5r]

lmao st1t5, you must be having a laugh. found a snip from this link http://www.verdictoncars.com/jsp/vocmain.jsp?lnk=211&featureid=300&pageid=665

Which means the 335i has got plenty to prove. It's actually twin-turbocharged, with two small compressors supplying air to three cylinders each in an attempt to eliminate turbo lag. Working in conjunction with direct petrol injection, the end result is certainly impressive: in addition to 300 bhp the 335i musters an equally potent 300 lb/ft of torque. BMW claims that producing a 4.0 litre V8 engine tuned to deliver the same power would be 140 kg heavier. And the 335i's performance figures are certainly impressive: 0-62 mph in just 5.5 seconds and - as you'd expect - a top speed artificially constrained by a 155 mph limiter.

And, once on the road, you are certainly hard pressed to detect any evidence of turbocharging. The 335i pulls cleanly from low revs with no evidence of turbo lag - nor is there are there any of the whooshing noises that tend to come from forced induction: instead there's just a slightly muted version of a 330i soundtrack.


please tell me how on earth you kept on the tail of this????

was he towing you ? lol

[t5_monkey]

lmao st1t5, you must be having a laugh. found a snip from this link http://www.verdictoncars.com/jsp/vocmain.jsp?lnk=211&featureid=300&pageid=665

Which means the 335i has got plenty to prove. It's actually twin-turbocharged, with two small compressors supplying air to three cylinders each in an attempt to eliminate turbo lag. Working in conjunction with direct petrol injection, the end result is certainly impressive: in addition to 300 bhp the 335i musters an equally potent 300 lb/ft of torque. BMW claims that producing a 4.0 litre V8 engine tuned to deliver the same power would be 140 kg heavier. And the 335i's performance figures are certainly impressive: 0-62 mph in just 5.5 seconds and - as you'd expect - a top speed artificially constrained by a 155 mph limiter.

And, once on the road, you are certainly hard pressed to detect any evidence of turbocharging. The 335i pulls cleanly from low revs with no evidence of turbo lag - nor is there are there any of the whooshing noises that tend to come from forced induction: instead there's just a slightly muted version of a 330i soundtrack.


please tell me how on earth you kept on the tail of this????

was he towing you ? lol

LOL you really don't read the strings do you? the post above yours I wrote is talking about exactly that :smileypul or do you prefer Trolling ? ;)

[yellowt5r]

i put the link in so it s1t5 can read it for himself.

[t5_monkey]

lmao st1t5, you must be having a laugh. found a snip from this link http://www.verdictoncars.com/jsp/vocmain.jsp?lnk=211&featureid=300&pageid=665

Which means the 335i has got plenty to prove. It's actually twin-turbocharged, with two small compressors supplying air to three cylinders each in an attempt to eliminate turbo lag. Working in conjunction with direct petrol injection, the end result is certainly impressive: in addition to 300 bhp the 335i musters an equally potent 300 lb/ft of torque. BMW claims that producing a 4.0 litre V8 engine tuned to deliver the same power would be 140 kg heavier. And the 335i's performance figures are certainly impressive: 0-62 mph in just 5.5 seconds and - as you'd expect - a top speed artificially constrained by a 155 mph limiter.

And, once on the road, you are certainly hard pressed to detect any evidence of turbocharging. The 335i pulls cleanly from low revs with no evidence of turbo lag - nor is there are there any of the whooshing noises that tend to come from forced induction: instead there's just a slightly muted version of a 330i soundtrack.


please tell me how on earth you kept on the tail of this????

was he towing you ? lol

See post #13 - 335 vs remapped T5 deathmatch

BMW kerb - 1600kg - torque stock 300lb-ft - lb-ft/kg = 0.187
S60 T5 kerb(2002) - 1430kg - torque mapped 280+lb-ft - lb-ft/kg = 0.195
> 4% more torque per kg in the Volvo

BMW kerb - 1600kg - power stock 295bhp - bhp/kg = 0.184
S60 T5 kerb(2002) - 1430kg - power mapped 280bhp - bhp/kg = 0.195
> 5.9% more power per kg in the Volvo

Conclusion - S60 T5 will be quicker than a 335 until it's torque tails off @ 4500rpm.... and then quicker after that, until a very high speed (where the extra power of the beemer will matter as ultimate aerodynamic drag will be the issue).

Final Conclusion - under 130mph Volvo will be quicker :)

So... the story of how the Volvo stuck with the 335, best of all... he wasn't being towed ;)

[st1t5]

lmao st1t5, you must be having a laugh.

Damn .. you sussed me out ....

[st1t5]

If you mean a 'shudder' through the transmision as the clutch re-engages after a 'racing' gear change?

Yeah, i was using the ''racing'' gear change method .... its maybe just my T5 but i have always thought that the racing gear change method in my car just confuses the ETM system ... maybe thats where the ''jolt'' was comin from ....

[t5_monkey]

Yeah, i was using the ''racing'' gear change method .... its maybe just my T5 but i have always thought that the racing gear change method in my car just confuses the ETM system ... maybe thats where the ''jolt'' was comin from ....

I think that gearbox just doesn't like to be rushed... mine does it too.

[st1t5]

I think that gearbox just doesn't like to be rushed... mine does it too.

Id be inclined to agree with you ...

[yellowt5r]

[QUOTE=t5_monkey;320221][/SIZE]

See post #13 - 335 vs remapped T5 deathmatch

BMW kerb - 1600kg - torque stock 300lb-ft - lb-ft/kg = 0.187
S60 T5 kerb(2002) - 1430kg - torque mapped 280+lb-ft - lb-ft/kg = 0.195
> 4% more torque per kg in the Volvo

BMW kerb - 1600kg - power stock 295bhp - bhp/kg = 0.184
S60 T5 kerb(2002) - 1430kg - power mapped 280bhp - bhp/kg = 0.195
> 5.9% more power per kg in the Volvo

Conclusion - S60 T5 will be quicker than a 335 until it's torque tails off @ 4500rpm.... and then quicker after that, until a very high speed (where the extra power of the beemer will matter as ultimate aerodynamic drag will be the issue).

Final Conclusion - under 130mph Volvo will be quicker :)

So... the story of how the Volvo stuck with the 335, best of all... he wasn't being towed ;)[/QUOTE

is the bmw rwd? and volvo have a fwd, need good tyres to make the torque count!... still dont belive it unless i was to see it.

[S70T5Chris]

eeerm, isn't the T5 in the original post a standard C70 T5, not a remapped S60?

FWIW, a standard C70 ain't gonna touch a 335!

[t5_monkey]

[QUOTE=t5_monkey;320221][/SIZE]

See post #13 - 335 vs remapped T5 deathmatch

BMW kerb - 1600kg - torque stock 300lb-ft - lb-ft/kg = 0.187
S60 T5 kerb(2002) - 1430kg - torque mapped 280+lb-ft - lb-ft/kg = 0.195
> 4% more torque per kg in the Volvo

BMW kerb - 1600kg - power stock 295bhp - bhp/kg = 0.184
S60 T5 kerb(2002) - 1430kg - power mapped 280bhp - bhp/kg = 0.195
> 5.9% more power per kg in the Volvo

Conclusion - S60 T5 will be quicker than a 335 until it's torque tails off @ 4500rpm.... and then quicker after that, until a very high speed (where the extra power of the beemer will matter as ultimate aerodynamic drag will be the issue).

Final Conclusion - under 130mph Volvo will be quicker :)

So... the story of how the Volvo stuck with the 335, best of all... he wasn't being towed ;)[/QUOTE

is the bmw rwd? and volvo have a fwd, need good tyres to make the torque count!... still dont belive it unless i was to see it.

The C70 T5 is 240bhp standard, and a fair bit more mapped - and in most important respects similar enough to an S60 T5 to not make any difference.

http://www.performance-car-guide.co.uk/volvo-c70-t5.html

RWD makes a difference where traction is an issue, which it wouldn't be from a roll above 30 in the dry.

For the record - if you did take a standard C70 and repeated the calculations:

BMW kerb - 1600kg - torque stock 300lb-ft - lb-ft/kg = 0.187
C70 T5 kerb(2002) - 1430kg - torque stock 242lb-ft - lb-ft/kg = 0.169

A stock C70 is within 10% on the torque to weight - so with 90% of the torque to weight, a keen stock Volvo C70 could basically hang with a 335 when driven on the public road with a modicum of common sense (which was what was said originally) and a hell of a lot of T5 aren't stock anyway.

on a 1/4 the Beemer will be quicker due to traction, but we're talking road here not track.

Point being - you don't need to be towed :)

[S70T5Chris]

Mathmatics like that rarely gives a true picture. There are many other factors to take into account.

If you look the link you posted up on the 60-100 thread, it lists the 335, and it lists several T5's, the nearest to the C70 T5 I can find is the 850 T5R. The T5R is lists to have a 60-100 of 11.5 seconds. It lists the 335 as 7.4 seconds (which I think is pretty accurate if you check out some youtube videos). So even when rolling, the 335 would would kill a standard T5 and in all honesty I think it would take on a remapped T5 no problem. Just my opinion!

I'm as big a volvo fan (and bimmer hater!) as much as anyone else, but realistically, there is no way that a standard C70, or T5 of any variety is going to keep pace with a 335i.

[volvokid]

I think that gearbox just doesn't like to be rushed... mine does it too.

I get that all the time in the C70 from 1st to 2nd, there not the easiest cars to change smoothly in.

[JelT5]

I'm as big a volvo fan (and bimmer hater!) as much as anyone else, but realistically, there is no way that a standard C70, or T5 of any variety is going to keep pace with a 335i.

Agree completely with that one mate. The 335i is a very, very quick car in standard form let alone modded!

[yellowt5r]

just give up, some people just wont accept they are wrong

[S70T5Chris]

just give up, some people just wont accept they are wrong

Where's the fun in that?! :biggrin:

[st1t5]

just give up, some people just wont accept they are wrong

Who's wrong ? ...

[st1t5]

I get that all the time in the C70 from 1st to 2nd, there not the easiest cars to change smoothly in.

Yip, i blame the ETM .. lol ..

[t5_monkey]

Mathmatics like that rarely gives a true picture. There are many other factors to take into account.

If you look the link you posted up on the 60-100 thread, it lists the 335, and it lists several T5's, the nearest to the C70 T5 I can find is the 850 T5R. The T5R is lists to have a 60-100 of 11.5 seconds. It lists the 335 as 7.4 seconds (which I think is pretty accurate if you check out some youtube videos). So even when rolling, the 335 would would kill a standard T5 and in all honesty I think it would take on a remapped T5 no problem. Just my opinion!

I'm as big a volvo fan (and bimmer hater!) as much as anyone else, but realistically, there is no way that a standard C70, or T5 of any variety is going to keep pace with a 335i.

There's quite a few people on here with Volvos in the 7 second range 60-100 - myself included (and some like Turkish in the sixes.)

Simple matter of maths - power and torque per kg of weight is the key factor in public road rolling performance.

The 335 is about 14% heavier than most T5 variants, so a T5 with 14% less power and torque will be comparable on the open road once rolling - that means anyone on here with 260bhp+ and 260lb-ft can 'hang' with a 335 (and certainly not be made to look slow) - lots of people on this forum can legitimately claim to have that.



just give up, some people just wont accept they are wrong

you give yourself sage counsel ;)

[JelT5]

A stock 335i runs the 1/4 in 13.5 @ 103mph; surely that points to it being rather rapid from 60-100mph or am I just in denial regarding a standard T5's abilities?

:confused:

[S70T5Chris]

There's quite a few people on here with Volvos in the 7 second range 60-100 - myself included (and some like Turkish in the sixes.)

Simple matter of maths - power and torque per kg of weight is the key factor in public road rolling performance.

The 335 is about 14% heavier than most T5 variants, so a T5 with 14% less power and torque will be comparable on the open road once rolling - that means anyone on here with 260bhp+ and 260lb-ft can 'hang' with a 335 (and certainly not be made to look slow) - lots of people on this forum can legitimately claim to have that.




you give yourself sage counsel ;)


You've gone from a standard T5 can keep up; then to a remapped T5 can keep up; and now to T5's that have been tuned beyond standard remaps. The OP has a standard T5!

I never said that no T5 could keep up with a 335. I'd like to think that my S70 would happily piss the owner of said 335i off. But my car is far from standard and way beyond an off the shelf remap.

[t5_monkey]

You've gone from a standard T5 can keep up; then to a remapped T5 can keep up; and now to T5's that have been tuned beyond standard remaps. The OP has a standard T5!

I never said that no T5 could keep up with a 335. I'd like to think that my S70 would happily piss the owner of said 335i off. But my car is far from standard and way beyond an off the shelf remap.

most T5 variants make well over 260bhp with only a remap - and therefore would fit into the category of 'being able to hang - i.e. not being particularly faster or slower' than a 335 under normal driving conditions - specifically accelerating from a rolling start as discussed in the original post - with a £200 remap.

As for the original stock T5 C70 - compared to a 335 over the 30-70 increment, he'd lose approximately 8 meters (or 24 feet) which is about 2 car lengths, that's hardly being blown away, if he got on the loud pedal 1.5 seconds earlier - that would negate most of the benefit from being in the quicker 335.

The 335 would need to open up and go considerably faster than is legal or safe on a public road to show a stock T5 'a clean pair of heels' under straight line acceleration from a roll.

I therefore maintain the original statement of 'basically kept on the tail of the 335' is valid and reasonable.

Track and 1/4 mile a different story - but then if you'd read the first post, you'd know that's not what we're talking about :)

If the BMW does 103 on the 1/4, what's your S70's terminal speed on the 1/4? that should give you an idea how quick yours is compared.

[S70T5Chris]

How about we agree to disagree! I don't think either of us is gonna budge on this!

I've never done a 1/4. As soon as I get chance I will tho, just to see what it can do.

[t5_monkey]

How about we agree to disagree! I don't think either of us is gonna budge on this!

I've never done a 1/4. As soon as I get chance I will tho, just to see what it can do.

LOL OK! we need to find a 30-70 video of a T5 and a 335 and we can post them up and do a poll :D

Democracy in action!

[st1t5]

Never thought my comment was going to cause such a stir !! .. lol ..



As for the original stock T5 C70 - compared to a 335 over the 30-70 increment, he'd lose approximately 8 meters (or 24 feet) which is about 2 car lengths, that's hardly being blown away, if he got on the loud pedal 1.5 seconds earlier - that would negate most of the benefit from being in the quicker 335.

The 335 would need to open up and go considerably faster than is legal or safe on a public road to show a stock T5 'a clean pair of heels' under straight line acceleration from a roll.

I therefore maintain the original statement of 'basically kept on the tail of the 335' is valid and reasonable.



By practising the Roadcraft method of ''Position, Speed, Gear, Acceleration and Information'' .. i knew what the 335 driver was going to do before he did ... instead of watching him infront of me and by keeping a safe distance back (Position, Information) and not planted on his rear end as he was to the cars in front of him, i was able to see the cars 3 or 4 in front of him (Information) which therefor allowed me to be in the right gear way before he was (Gear, Information) .. so when the car in front of him was starting to pull in to the slower lane i was already accelerating (Acceleration, Information) .. and as T5_Monkey has said, this allowed me to gain an extra bit of time on the 335 ..
Only once did we drop below the 40mph slightly, but again by adopting the Roadcraft method he never lost me when picking up speed again .. he may have gained a few metres but i hardly think thats classed as ''wipin my ass'' ...
The 335 was 2 up, and i was just myself, but then i did have my luggage in the boot as i was just returning back home as i had been away working so it most likely evens itself out ..

Where the 335 did get the better of me was in the suspension dept .. at xxxmph whilst on a long sweeping right hander i could tell my C70 just was'nt comfortable and felt abit twithy so i eased off abit ... but then my C70 is still on its original suspension where as the 335 was only 2 year old ..

Dont all get caught up to much with max bhp & torque figures etc etc blah blah blah ! .. by being trained and using the Roadcraft method you already have a head start on the car in front ! ..
Dont get me wrong, im not saying that i could have done the same in a 1300cc Micra .. that would just be silly .. but when both cars are in the same ball park area then your in with a shout ...
Also, its one thing watching it get maxxed out on a Top Gear track, but in the real world and on real roads where there are other cars on the road making you slow down every 1/4 mile then the likes of the 335 tribes are never going to get that much over you ...

The long and short of it is, im not claiming i ''wiped'' a 335 ... maybe when i was 20yrs old i might have, but im abit longer in the tooth now and hopefully abit wiser, all im saying is that give or take a few metres the 335 did absolutly not leave me standing ... i know, cause i was there !! .. and if you dont beleive me then i'll try not to loose to much sleep over it, i did'nt mention it cause i was looking for approval ... lol ..

Hey !! .. maybe the 335 driver was'nt even trying, maybe he did'nt even know that there was a Volvo behind .. but something tells me he was and he did !!



P.S ...
I hate these type of topics as it makes me out to sound like a road menace .. which im not (mostly) ... and yes doing these types of silly things is not right, and if i thought anybody else around us was at danger because of me then i would have stopped in an instance. Practising the Roadcraft method when ever you drive certainly makes you more alert and aware of whats going on behind, around and infront of you .. but thats not excuse, i was still a naughty boy.

[t5_monkey]

Never thought my comment was going to cause such a stir !! .. lol ..



By practising the Roadcraft method of ''Position, Speed, Gear, Acceleration and Information'' .. i knew what the 335 driver was going to do before he did ... instead of watching him infront of me and by keeping a safe distance back (Position, Information) and not planted on his rear end as he was to the cars in front of him, i was able to see the cars 3 or 4 in front of him (Information) which therefor allowed me to be in the right gear way before he was (Gear, Information) .. so when the car in front of him was starting to pull in to the slower lane i was already accelerating (Acceleration, Information) .. and as T5_Monkey has said, this allowed me to gain an extra bit of time on the 335 ..
Only once did we drop below the 40mph slightly, but again by adopting the Roadcraft method he never lost me when picking up speed again .. he may have gained a few metres but i hardly think thats classed as ''wipin my ass'' ...
The 335 was 2 up, and i was just myself, but then i did have my luggage in the boot as i was just returning back home as i had been away working so it most likely evens itself out ..

Where the 335 did get the better of me was in the suspension dept .. at xxxmph whilst on a long sweeping right hander i could tell my C70 just was'nt comfortable and felt abit twithy so i eased off abit ... but then my C70 is still on its original suspension where as the 335 was only 2 year old ..

Dont all get caught up to much with max bhp & torque figures etc etc blah blah blah ! .. by being trained and using the Roadcraft method you already have a head start on the car in front ! ..
Dont get me wrong, im not saying that i could have done the same in a 1300cc Micra .. that would just be silly .. but when both cars are in the same ball park area then your in with a shout ...
Also, its one thing watching it get maxxed out on a Top Gear track, but in the real world and on real roads where there are other cars on the road making you slow down every 1/4 mile then the likes of the 335 tribes are never going to get that much over you ...

The long and short of it is, im not claiming i ''wiped'' a 335 ... maybe when i was 20yrs old i might have, but im abit longer in the tooth now and hopefully abit wiser, all im saying is that give or take a few metres the 335 did absolutly not leave me standing ... i know, cause i was there !! .. and if you dont beleive me then i'll try not to loose to much sleep over it, i did'nt mention it cause i was looking for approval ... lol ..

Hey !! .. maybe the 335 driver was'nt even trying, maybe he did'nt even know that there was a Volvo behind .. but something tells me he was and he did !!



P.S ...
I hate these type of topics as it makes me out to sound like a road menace .. which im not (mostly) ... and yes doing these types of silly things is not right, and if i thought anybody else around us was at danger because of me then i would have stopped in an instance. Practising the Roadcraft method when ever you drive certainly makes you more alert and aware of whats going on behind, around and infront of you .. but thats not excuse, i was still a naughty boy.

Sounds like you were just a bit better at driving than the 335 owner - and therefore easily able to keep up :)

At the end of the day the most important component of the car is the driver - I bet lewis hamilton could punt a standard T5 (or probably a 2 litre TDCI ford focus) way quicker down a B road than an average joe in a 335.

I think YellowT5R secretly keeps a laminated photo of a 335 under his pillow & 335 BMW bedsheets :D

[yellowt5r]

and why would i want to keep a pic of 335? just because its pretty obvious (to most) that a standard(not remapped not modded just as it come out of the factory) t5 will NOT keep up with a bmw335. end of. we dont even know if the bmw driver was even giving full beans and if he had 50kg plus in the boot!


better driver then the bmw?
what skill do you really need to put your foot to the floor on a straight road while driving??? not much imo.

only way to prove is to see it.

[brett craig]

i have to say from reading this thread that i'm not interested in the argument, but i find the last comment very iresponsible, i'm a professional driver and hold every licence except pilots, i have gone through police driving courses aswell as advanced driving so i am more than qualified to comment before that gets thrown back at me !
Be it a corner or a straight hundreds of peaple die everyday due to the " its only a straight road " attitude, it takes great skill to drive fast but safe in any circumstances, take into consideration the following.
side streets, petrol stations,shops, pubs, schools, crossings, pedestrians, children, cyclists, motorbikes, this is BEFORE you even think about road conditions, other traffic, light conditions, camber, the list goes on.
if you wish to fight over what is quickest then carry on, but please do not make statements regarding driver skill when you consider a " straight " to be any less dangerous or requiring any less attention than a motorway or a corner !
i could go on but it would become a rant.

[t5_monkey]

i have to say from reading this thread that i'm not interested in the argument, but i find the last comment very iresponsible, i'm a professional driver and hold every licence except pilots, i have gone through police driving courses aswell as advanced driving so i am more than qualified to comment before that gets thrown back at me !
Be it a corner or a straight hundreds of peaple die everyday due to the " its only a straight road " attitude, it takes great skill to drive fast but safe in any circumstances, take into consideration the following.
side streets, petrol stations,shops, pubs, schools, crossings, pedestrians, children, cyclists, motorbikes, this is BEFORE you even think about road conditions, other traffic, light conditions, camber, the list goes on.
if you wish to fight over what is quickest then carry on, but please do not make statements regarding driver skill when you consider a " straight " to be any less dangerous or requiring any less attention than a motorway or a corner !
i could go on but it would become a rant.

most cars have the ability to get the over enthusiastic driver into a lot of trouble I guess (including the 1.2 corsas)

He does have a point with the 335 vs Volvo - maybe seeing is believing, maybe you-tube has some clips on.

Driving fast is the easy bit - NOT crashing and causing carnage is the tricky bit.

Please do continue btw :) Forums were made for rants.

[brett craig]

thanks for the invitation but i try not to rant lol, ive seen the carnage first hand that drivers with no skill or " do not require skill " cause so i tend to get wound up quickly !

As for the bmw vs T5 battle goes all parties have some valid points and figures but i dont like to comment on things i have no knowledge or evidence to promote.

so for now or until another daft comment comes up i shall return to my dark corner where i belong lol.

[t5_monkey]

thanks for the invitation but i try not to rant lol, ive seen the carnage first hand that drivers with no skill or " do not require skill " cause so i tend to get wound up quickly !

As for the bmw vs T5 battle goes all parties have some valid points and figures but i dont like to comment on things i have no knowledge or evidence to promote.

so for now or until another daft comment comes up i shall return to my dark corner where i belong lol.

I think you'll find I'll have already slithered or scuttled into the dark corners :)