What could the problem be now?

[Libra]

Yesterday morning whilst driving to work, when I went to accelerate/ pull away, my S60R decided to momenterally cut power. I thought it was the DSTC cutting in as I pulled away quite sharp-ish on a wet muddy road. I did not think anymore about it until I left work and come home in the evening when it got worse.

When you accelerate to approx 2.5k the car will pause and the BOV/wastegate will let off, rev a bit more, then pause, rev a bit more then pause... This happens even under light/medium throttle. I hope it is something small, like a sensor...? Any ideas?

As I am at work, my dad is so kindly going to phone up the Volvo garage to see what they say and if they can have a look at it. The car is already booked into the same garage on thursday for light knocking noise, which I think is coming from the front ARB bushes.

So what coult it be. My Volvo is starting to annoy me now with the amount of things that have gone wrong with the car since my ownership and the amount of money that has been spent on it.

Cheers Darren

[cornclose]

It's still under warranty isn't it ?

[T5ER]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhh welcome to the world of volvo`s lol and owning a S60R, have you had the angle gear replaced yet on it

[thebadger]

Is it an auto? Could be the clutch?

Other than that, Angle gear sounds a very likley one.

When did the box last get an oil change?

[Libra]

Yes the car is still under the Volvo used car warranty.
I have had the Angle gear and collar replaced,
n/s/r bearing
Radiator
Power steering pump and tank

My car is a manual. Just had a service - 96k Camblet - done early a\t 93,800miles.

The car is very hesitant when accelerating.


It's still under warranty isn't it ?


ahhhhhhhhhhhhh welcome to the world of volvo`s lol and owning a S60R, have you had the angle gear replaced yet on it


Is it an auto? Could be the clutch?

Other than that, Angle gear sounds a very likley one.

When did the box last get an oil change?

[thebadger]

Etm/maf?

[Libra]

Etm/maf?

I was thinking that as the car does no seem to be missfireing. My last car, Impreza missfired and needed new coil pack and new HT lead. Now I am guessing that the volvo lumps aren't linked with a coil pack (sorry about my no technical language).

[cornclose]

Each plug has it's own coilpack. Could be ETM or MAF. Could also be something daft like a pipe split or fell off even.

[thebadger]

Yeah, I had the main "Y" pipe off the manifold split, it holds the brake cylinder hose...

Not fun.

[cornclose]

Could also be a dodgy boost control solenoid. I replaced mine recently as it occassionally wouldn't boost above about 6 PSI.

[thebadger]

If it's feathering at 2.5k revs, I'd guess it's an induction issue & the engine is choking for air.

May I suggest looking at a new maf first? £20 will get you a cheap one on fleabay.

Worst case is the ETM, but if you have the warranty.... The Maf will eliminate the obvious & leave a clearer picture of what's wrong.

[thebadger]

Do you have a diagnostics box?

My one can indicate the MAF reading while moving. May be an idea to ask to borrow the site reader?

[cornclose]

As it's under warranty, I'd leave it to Volvo...

[Libra]

Thanks for all the replies. I too think it is the MAF sensor. Anyway, my dad was going to phone them up on my behave to see if the garage can look at the car sooner than Thursday when I had orignallly booked it in.

When i get home this evening I will inform you all.

[Libra]

Morning chaps. Sorry for the late reply to update you all, but I am a Christmas temp at John Lewis and I finish work at 9:10 and I don't really get a chance to come on the internet when I get home. The previous entries where done on the slow computers for the partners to use.

Anyway, back ono topic. The problem is apparently the Turbo control valve, what ever that is which is going to cost me £71 + vat and the knocking at the front which I thought was a arb bush, turns out to be a knocking front strut which I am not having done just yet, would cost me £430 + vat.

Oh yes, and we also have to pay for the £85 diagnostic fee...WTF!

[Jimmie]

Why do you have to pay or is volvo warranty as much use as sand in the desert.
Have you done a lot of mileage since you bought it if not complain,you maybe wont get far as you live in the uk.

[Libra]

Those parts are not covered by the warranty.

When I brought the car its had done 89,600 miles. it has now done 94,000 since end of july.

[thebadger]

You can get an IPD uprated TCV form PFV for less than £100.

May be worth the investment... I did mine, it made the pick up much quicker.

Just remember that the car will need to re-learn the TCV & this can take about 20 mins driving & then 20mins of the car switched off for it to save the data.

[Libra]

Thanks for the heads up badger, but I think I will stick with the OEM item and sell the car in the new year.

[Jimmie]

If you sell it now someone will get a bargain.

[thebadger]

TBH the OEM part is a flimsy & very small part (about the size of a quids worth of 10p's stacked) the IPD vesion is more than double this size & can last much longer.

The price difference is minimal as it is an uprated part.

I'd keep the car! At least until the warranty is up.

[Libra]

Well its having the TCV fitted as I type this and I should be able to pick the car up later on as I need the car tomorrow. And besides there is no volvo specialist that I know of who could fit this uprated part.

[cornclose]

Could also be a dodgy boost control solenoid. I replaced mine recently as it occassionally wouldn't boost above about 6 PSI.


The problem is apparently the Turbo control valve

Cool, I was right. But is it really a Volvo ? :P

[Libra]

Bighead :D

[thebadger]

The "part" has 3 hoses attached to it & one electrical plug.

It's as hard as fitting new wiper blades.

[cornclose]

Yeah, took me about 5 mins... And I only paid £41 for it...

[thebadger]

Yeah, took me about 5 mins... And I only paid £41 for it...

Jammy mujjhf, druhhng, mzzr fruzz!

[Libra]

Well I got my car back and all is fine *touches wood* and I got my 10% VOC discount also :)

My friend and I spoke last night on the phone and I was telling hum about the problems I was having with my car and we started talking about replacement cars for me and he said that a Volvo is 'my' type of car. I was not sure what to make of that when he said it.

Is it common to have so many problems with the R's like I have. Where's Justin - forum owner - perhaps he can answer that one?

[PaulZX]

Libra... if you do decide to sell, drop me a PM..... I know a man who's prepared to sell his legs for an S60R, I'm sure he'll be very intrested.....

[Libra]

Cool beans. Will let you all know. 'If' I was to sell, finding a suitable replacement is going to be hard.

Darren

[roy chu]

I too have had this problem on my S60R, when I got the car in march 08, I booked it in for all the fluids to be changed and the bushes and TCV was also replaced, after that it ran fine, and now its runs great.

About 3 months ago I was pulling out of a junction I put my foot down, not hard just enough to pull quickly, but it cut power for a second and I thought oh dear, what is that. So now I have bougt a IPD HD TCV so will give it a go in the new year and see how it goes, alternatively, thwey have issues with feul pressure sensors as well, so I think with these cars its always goind to be a suck it and see, which is unfortunate.

As for shocks, I better save up!

Now that you have replave the Turbo Contro Valve, post up if it still plays up. As I think this is a bad problem for them to have.

I hope it has sorted out the problem.

[Al115]

Is it common to have so many problems with an S60R / V70R? YES. That's why I haven't bought one!!!

I know of a couple of people with them and they are always in, out, in, out, in, out of garages having very expensive fixes done.

I'm steering clear for now... just a shame that they have dropped the "R" line so there won't be any good ones in the future either!

[Libra]

I don't know whether it is the cold weather or the the TCV, but my car is like a rocket now. It seems to holds its boost higher up for longer. I am sort of a happy Volvo driver.

[Vikingxl]

Im with Al on this one the new R's don't seem to be all that special and i wont be spending any of my cash on one

Glad you seem to have it sorted now though

[thebadger]

It never lasts long tho...

I had a new strut top mount fitted, only to find out the strut top mount bearing was goosed. £80 for the part on that too. (added to the £45 for the mount)

PITA!

But I still love the car, to spite all it's little issues that it throws out.

[cornclose]

I don't know whether it is the cold weather or the the TCV, but my car is like a rocket now. It seems to holds its boost higher up for longer. I am sort of a happy Volvo driver.

It'll be the TCV/BCS, although the cold will have a smaller effect. Mine was the same after I fitted the new TCV/BCS. The car was just a whole lot more punchy and responsive.

[richiemat]

Sorry to hear you are having problems with your car Darren, lets hope you have a better run of good luck with it in the new year. Its a fantastic car that should just be driven and not in and out of the workshops.

Rich

[Libra]

Sorry to hear you are having problems with your car Darren, lets hope you have a better run of good luck with it in the new year. Its a fantastic car that should just be driven and not in and out of the workshops.

Rich

I agree with your centiments exactly. *fingers crossed*

Darren

[Porcine_Aviator]

You could ask Rufe for a quote on a MAF it's a costly item and from past experience after market non Volvo ones are not reliable.

[princepugh]

Has anybody inspected any of these failed turbo control valves? Do they run dirty from the intake manifold? Will we have a white Christmas?

[Libra]

Has anybody inspected any of these failed turbo control valves? Do they run dirty from the intake manifold? Will we have a white Christmas?

Thats a very good question. My late grandad was in the war, as a civil engineer he and his mate had to maintain the aircraft and the Yanks where going through and running out of magnetos fast. Theyboth had a look at this heap of so called worn out 'mags' and all they needed was a good clean and service as there was nothing wrong with them.
Maybe it is the same wih these TCV's?

We might very well have a white christmas.

[princepugh]

Reason I ask is I've just had to replace mine again after the last one failed having been replaced back in August last year. I understand the IPD unit is servicable in terms of cleaning so it could be a future investment for the quoted £100?

[cornclose]

I still have my old TCV/BCS but I haven't really looked to see if it can be serviced. Might be a job for the Christmas hols...

[thebadger]

IIRC, they're plastic sealed units, I'd guess breaking it open would damage the seal on the vacum.

[princepugh]

Just as a follow-on, I found an article on V70R.com where somebody has hacked a TCV open - seems they are prone to gunking up. I'll be fitting an IPD unit in the near future so will let you know how that goes.

V70R.com TCV hacksaw article (http://www.v70r.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=13862&st=30)

[Axeboy]

Are the IPD units the same for phase 2 cars?

partsforvolvo have then in stock for £85.. ok for a S60r?

http://www.partsforvolvosonline.com/product_info.php?products_id=6135

[princepugh]

Are the IPD units the same for phase 2 cars?

partsforvolvo have then in stock for £85.. ok for a S60r?

http://www.partsforvolvosonline.com/product_info.php?products_id=6135

Mine's coming from ipdusa.com - the one in the link you supply looks very similar and is in-fact most likely the same as I believe it's essentially ME2 compatible, i.e. 1998 onwards?

[Axeboy]

Well, i just ordered it... not really needing it, but thought id get it anway