V70 2.3T but not a T5 -Is it possible?

[sebasteeno]

On the V70 (MY97) did they make 2.3 turbos that werent t5s? I ask as one has appeared on the bay of E and ive hit the buy it now button on the basis that it is what it claims to be i.e. a t5 in everything but badge?

Anyone shed any light on the subject?

[Enigma666]

Nope, the only 2.3 Turbo was a T5, other than that there was the 2.5T :D

[Filterlab]

There was also a 2.4 turbo and a 2.0 turbo.

[sebasteeno]

Ive bought this (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230357007955&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT&salenotsupported) and im picking it up tomorrow. The guy assures me its a 2.3T. On the askmid insurance checking site the car quotes as a 20V but my own insurance lists it as a V70R which has left me confused.

[Wombatbomb]

The answers here are going to be exactly the same as those you got on the VOC forums, the only 2.3 engined V70's are the T5.

The car you have bought is either a T5 which has had the 2.5T alloys fitted, or it's an LPT and the registration document is incorrect (whether that is because the engine has been changed at some point or it was always recorded incorrectly who knows?). I would expect it to be the latter as the DVLA are notoriously inaccurate in their data on vehicle engine types etc. And guess where all the insurance companies tend to get their data from?

What you need to do is get the cars VIN number, then have a look at this link....

http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/vin_70.shtml

[AlanG]

If this is a factory T5,it seems very low specced. Not even headlamp wash/wipe and cloth seats.......:confused:

[Filterlab]

It's not a T5, there's no T5 spec like headlight wipers and 16" alloys (for example). It looks to me like a 2.5LPT or a 2.5 20V.

[sebasteeno]

Would it be possible that its a 2.3lpt as the guy seems to think it might be?

On another site it shows that its 2319cc and its a turbo.

He reckoned that Volvo put the T5 engine in other cars like the 855 but never badged it up as that. Excuse my ignorance as the whole Volvo marque is new to me.

[Wombatbomb]

Just ask him for the VIN number, it'll make this much simpler.

[sebasteeno]

It's not a T5, there's no T5 spec like headlight wipers and 16" alloys (for example). It looks to me like a 2.5LPT or a 2.5 20V.
The engine bay pic looks like a t5 or a 2.5lpt, not a 20V n/a

[Filterlab]

...and cloth seats....

Quite a few T5s had cloth seats, in fact only the CD came with leather as standard, the SE has cloth as standard.

[sebasteeno]

If it was say, ex poilce, could it be poverty spec but with the big engine as a one off?

[Filterlab]

If it was say, ex poilce, could it be poverty spec but with the big engine as a one off?

Possibly, but if it was a police car it would have the 302 brakes which would require suitable 16" alloys.

[AlanG]

No expert but to my limited knowledge a 2.3 HPT is a T5. The underbonnet view suggests this but I wonder how original this car is.......

[jdavis]

DVLA list it as 2319cc so unless thats incorrect i'd take a guess it's a T5.

[cookie]

Base Model T5, was cloth seats, No headlight wipers, standard Air Con, Leccy windows all round, and Remote Locking, and double din 802 radio cassette, and that was it - similar to plod spec in regards toys

[cookie]

I would ask what the sticker says on side of timing belt cover

B2354T or B2554T IIRC or something like that - if it has a 3 in it, its a T5 engine if it aint got a 3 then its an LPT

[sebasteeno]

Decided against the car in the end and bought a 2.5T instead. Too many unknowns on this car it seems. The seller never got back to me with the engine number to confirm what it was and having to travel for seven hours by bus and train then a five hour drive home was a risk too far.

Then the reg doc never matched the insurance and the car and i decided against.

Thanks for all your help though guys.:B_thumb:

[AlanG]

Personally wouldn't have bought it. To many uncertainties. Huge choice of genuine T5's out there.

[flyingbrick]

You should have got the other one mate. The 2319 t5 more power than the 2.5t better compresion ratio...:nono:

[sebasteeno]

You should have got the other one mate. The 2319 t5 more power than the 2.5t better compresion ratio...:nono:
Your maybe right but after going from a 110bhp Peugeot 806 to a 193bhp car the difference is massive and im happy with it..........for now:biggrin:

[AlanG]

Your maybe right but after going from a 110bhp Peugeot 806 to a 193bhp car the difference is massive and im happy with it..........for now:biggrin:

193bhp makes it a 2.5lpt mate,so not a T5.

[MIKESC70T5]

193bhp makes it a 2.5lpt mate,so not a T5.

He's talking about the other car he brought, which he knows isn't a T5.

[AlanG]

He's talking about the other car he brought, which he knows isn't a T5.

B****y hell.......is he collecting them??

[Filterlab]

B****y hell.......is he collecting them??

Good cars to collect. :)

[nobananas]

I asked the seller the same thing, he basically told me I didn't know what I'm talking about !

http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23353

Were you the 'timewaster' who didn't turn up ?

[nobananas]

He he, just noticed that the seller has printed my question at the bottom of the listing !

[sebasteeno]

He was a bit of a cocky Tw@ when i was speaking to him tbh. Hence his reply

[volvoturboman]

Mate think you made the right decision not buying. The long and the short for future reference is that the 2.3 Turbo is a T5 no other option and although the T5 later turned to be a 2.5 there was never a replacement 2.3. The T5 engine was like any other engine n the range. It was fitted to any trim level car, hence could have cloth etc. The big one that would have sorted it for me id the fact that the seller didn't know. Believe me you'd know if you had a T5.

[p fandango]

He reckoned that Volvo put the T5 engine in other cars like the 855 but never badged it up as that. Excuse my ignorance as the whole Volvo marque is new to me.
the very very first T-5's were labeled as "850 Turbo" not T-5, even my early 94 850 was labeled as T-5 so it was only a few very which weren't labeled up

[volvoturboman]

the very very first T-5's were labeled as "850 Turbo" not T-5, even my early 94 850 was labeled as T-5 so it was only a few very which weren't labeled up

I'm almost sure the man is spot on. Even the pre T5 which PF speaks of the Turbo had a big Turbo badge on the back so you'd still know and they only ran for about a year. I had one.

[AlanG]

I'm almost sure the man is spot on. Even the pre T5 which PF speaks of the Turbo had a big Turbo badge on the back so you'd still know and they only ran for about a year. I had one.

Spot on my friend. The difference lay in the engine itself as they were of a much softer construction and not capable of the power increases mentioned on here.

[p fandango]

The difference lay in the engine itself as they were of a much softer construction and not capable of the power increases mentioned on here.
where did you hear that one mate? As i said mine is an early 94 & identicle to the pre-T-5's, including having the reverse intercooler set-up & never had an issues of it being weak

[AlanG]

where did you hear that one mate? As i said mine is an early 94 & identicle to the pre-T-5's, including having the reverse intercooler set-up & never had an issues of it being weak

Not sure buddy as it something I remember from years ago. Need to read back. If your BT is badged as a T5 then it's the revised engine and hence you can (obvously) tune it to the nines. As I remember the original 850 Turbo was of the same capacity but not built to withstand much more than the 225bhp factory spec.

[p fandango]

Not sure buddy as it something I remember from years ago. Need to read back. If your BT is badged as a T5 then it's the revised engine and hence you can (obvously) tune it to the nines. As I remember the original 850 Turbo was of the same capacity but not built to withstand much more than the 225bhp factory spec.
i can't find my USB stick with all my press releases on to see if i can find anymore info about it. But tbh its the first i've about a weaker engine (except the untrue rumour of weaker conrods on early T-5's) & surprised Volvo went to the hassle of making a special engine for the pre-T5 & then do half a job, then to remake the engine & make it stronger after less than a year

[AlanG]

i can't find my USB stick with all my press releases on to see if i can find anymore info about it. But tbh its the first i've about a weaker engine (except the untrue rumour of weaker conrods on early T-5's) & surprised Volvo went to the hassle of making a special engine for the pre-T5 & then do half a job, then to remake the engine & make it stronger after less than a year

I'm not the oracle buddy,but let us know if you can prove/disprove this. Definitely heard it somewhere though,rightly or wrongly.

[p fandango]

I'm not the oracle buddy,but let us know if you can prove/disprove this. Definitely heard it somewhere though,rightly or wrongly.
no offence intended mate, at the end of the day we learn most of what we know from what we're told so can only go by that info. I'll see what i can find & let you know, might be time to fire up Vadis & check some comparisons between 1993 cars & a later year

[AlanG]

None taken buddy,interesting to hear if there's truth in it..:shifty:

[Babybadger]

Would it be possible that its a 2.3lpt as the guy seems to think it might be?

On another site it shows that its 2319cc and its a turbo.

He reckoned that Volvo put the T5 engine in other cars like the 855 but never badged it up as that. Excuse my ignorance as the whole Volvo marque is new to me.

My 855 is an import, and had 'turbo' on the back , not 'T5'. It now has just 'Volvo' and '850' on the back! ;-)

[nobananas]

I think everyone should e-mail this bloke and ask the same question, it might then sink in ! Regarding the stronger engine thing, I did hear that the 850R block and later 70 series T5 blocks were made with more strengthening ribs built in to prevent the block distorting and slightly different rods, could this be where the confusion lies ?

[Jamest5r]

where did you hear that one mate? As i said mine is an early 94 & identicle to the pre-T-5's, including having the reverse intercooler set-up & never had an issues of it being weak

My mrs is an early '94 with original reverse i/c and came with only T5 on the back, is this original way? not had a respray and no marks from previous badges, owned for 6yrs was mine before always thought this was the way they first came. As for weaker engines this car has been rica 304 for over five years only got a k&n panel filter had no problems and she pulled 14.87 at york a couple of weeks ago.

[volvoturboman]

My mrs is an early '94 with original reverse i/c and came with only T5 on the back, is this original way? not had a respray and no marks from previous badges, owned for 6yrs was mine before always thought this was the way they first came. As for weaker engines this car has been rica 304 for over five years only got a k&n panel filter had no problems and she pulled 14.87 at york a couple of weeks ago.

I spoke to my mechanic (mate) who served his time with Volvo and he heard nothing about the weaker T5 unit. He fully believes they are all alike, he did say there could possibly be strengthening to the T5R but that would only be a guess.

[p fandango]

My mrs is an early '94 with original reverse i/c and came with only T5 on the back, is this original way? not had a respray and no marks from previous badges, owned for 6yrs was mine before always thought this was the way they first came. As for weaker engines this car has been rica 304 for over five years only got a k&n panel filter had no problems and she pulled 14.87 at york a couple of weeks ago.
it would of had "Volvo" on the left of the number plate & "850" just above the T-5 badge (thats how my 854 was badged, which is also an early 94). The very first T-5's were only badged as "Turbo"

i've had a quick look at some engine numbers

93 the 850 is only listed as having B5204FS, B5252FS & B5254FS LH3.2, no T-5 engines at all
94 they list B5234FT,
95 they list B5234FT, B5234T2 & B5234T5
96 they list B5234FT, B5234T2, B5234T4 & the B5234T5
97 is the same as 96



B5234FT is the normal T-5 engine
B5234T2 isn't on my list, & was also used in the ?70
B5234T4 is the 850R (16g) engine
B5234T5 is the T-5R & 850R auto (15g) engine


anyone any idea about the B5234T2 engine?

[volvoturboman]

No idea mate, as for the 93 not listed this could be because although you can get a 93 T5 (I had one) it was a 94 model. Mines for example was built November 93.

[p fandango]

No idea mate, as for the 93 not listed this could be because although you can get a 93 T5 (I had one) it was a 94 model. Mines for example was built November 93.
yeh i think your right, but as they used the B5234FT till the end indicates to me they didn't change the T-5 engine

[AlanG]

Nice one Ped,settles that one then...........Maybe time for me to give up on the class A's.......:slap:

[p fandango]

Nice one Ped,settles that one then...........Maybe time for me to give up on the class A's.......:slap:
as i said yest mate we can only go by what we're told, i've been told (& believed) many a thing over the years.

2 more questions tho


what is the B5234T2 engine?
& what difference are there between the T-5 & T-5R engine, both use the 15g (would they give it a complete different engine number just because it has a different ECU?)

[volvoturboman]

Thanks for that, always helpful info in an arguement lol. As for your 2 questions I don't have a clue I wouldn't have thought a remap would mean a different engine number but then again you wouldn't know its quite possible as the two cars perform differently.

[AlanG]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!! Always thought the only difference was the map giving a 30second over boost. Volvo are fickle though as we know. As for t'other no clue at all.:confused:

[p fandango]

Thanks for that, always helpful info in an arguement lol. As for your 2 questions I don't have a clue I wouldn't have thought a remap would mean a different engine number but then again you wouldn't know its quite possible as the two cars perform differently.
Volvo do work in mysterous ways lol

link to engine code info (http://www.ziddu.com/download/5697014/enginecodes.xls.html), i'm not fully convinced the B525 info is right

[Tim Williams]

as i said yest mate we can only go by what we're told, i've been told (& believed) many a thing over the years.

2 more questions tho


& what difference are there between the T-5 & T-5R engine, both use the 15g (would they give it a complete different engine number just because it has a different ECU?)


It's just the different ECU. If you look at some later R cars auto/ man you will find a different engine code because of a different turbo. Early 850s had different piston rings to the later one if that is of any interest to you.

[p fandango]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm!! Always thought the only difference was the map giving a 30second over boost. Volvo are fickle though as we know. As for t'other no clue at all.:confused:
if i get chance tomorrow i'll go a bit more indepth & see if i can spot any changes

this is interesting about the 850R tho, different intercooler!!

The greatest feature of the new 850R is not its paintwork, but its improved performance. The 2.3-litre 5-cylinder engine has been equipped with a
larger turbocharger, new intercooler and a more sophisticated fuel pressure
sensor (to obtain an even more precise air/fuel mixture), to increase power
by 10 bhp, to 250 bhp at 5400 rpm.

[lance]

Didnt Volvo do a 2.0 T5 around 210 BHP for the italian market in the 850s

[Alan M]

The intercooler in the 850r is the same type as a 70 series t5 item.

[jdavis]

p fandango - thanks for that engine code list, quite extensive.

[p fandango]

p fandango - thanks for that engine code list, quite extensive.
no problem mate, as i say i think some of the bore & stroke info is incorrect

[LeeT5]

Base Model T5, was cloth seats, No headlight wipers, standard Air Con, Leccy windows all round, and Remote Locking, and double din 802 radio cassette, and that was it - similar to plod spec in regards toys

Correct! However if it was a T5 it should be sitting on 16" alloys not 15s!!

Bet you any money you like it's an LPT 2.5.

[LeeT5]

Didnt Volvo do a 2.0 T5 around 210 BHP for the italian market in the 850s

Yes. Not just for the italian market...most went to the U S of A.

[Dangerous Dave]

Here you go PF, a list of 850 engines in 1997. T2 engine shows up as Thailand only.

Also interesting is the difference between the two 850R engines for different gearboxes.

6835

Obviously this is just for the 850, I'll try and find the other variants later

[Wombatbomb]

Also interesting is the difference between the two 850R engines for different gearboxes.


That would be because of the different turbochargers I would think.

[Dangerous Dave]

Oh yeah, just looked at the PF's list and the difference is the 15G and 16T turbo (16T on the T4 engine)

[p fandango]

sorry only just come back into this thread, thanks alot for the list Bomb192uk & finally sorting out about the T2

[sebasteeno]

Now relisted (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230361555040&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&salenotsupported) after failing to sell though hes not doing himself any favours with the listinge new text imo.

[nobananas]

Well I was sad enough to run the reg no through Volvos database and surprise surprise it came back as having an engine code of B5254T which is of course (fanfare please) a 2.5 LPT. We all thought it, we all knew it. I also was sad enough to email him to tell him and fully expect to have some smart arsed arrogant reply heading back to me ! I'd rather be a Volvo anorak than wrong any day of the week !

[Dangerous Dave]

You mean a B5254T NB? They didn't do a 15 valve engine LOL

[nobananas]

You mean a B5254T NB? They didn't do a 15 valve engine LOL

Doh !...yup course that's what I meant (got me doing it now !)...can't read my own writing.

[orse]

So from these lists am i right in saying that between an 850 manual r and a 850 t5 the only engine differances are external(differant turbo and ecu etc)the base engine(block and head) are the same?

[phil_woods]

I seen that car on ebay when it was listed and I did think about buying it, glad I didnt now...
As people have said, to many questions and the seller seemed to be talking a wee bit of rubish.

[LeeT5]

So from these lists am i right in saying that between an 850 manual r and a 850 t5 the only engine differances are external(differant turbo and ecu etc)the base engine(block and head) are the same?

Yes! :B_thumb:

[nobananas]

Well I give up, the bloke just doesn't get it !

Here's what I said

Hi, Volvo anorak club member here ! The reason so many people have questioned whether this is an actual T5 or not is because Volvo never produced a V70 classic 2.3 turbo that WASN'T a T5. Indeed what you actually have there was produced with an engine code of B5254T which I'm sure a man as educated on Volvo's as yourself knows is a 5 cylinder, 2500cc, 4 valves per cylinder turbo also known as a 2.5 light pressure turbo not a 2.3. I know this because I was sad enough to run the reg through Volvos database and that is what the vehicle was produced and sold as. It may well be that DVLA's records are incorrect as they often are or that the vehicle has been fitted with a T5 engine at some point (which would be an engine code of B5234T or similar) which would of course make it a modified 2.5 LPT and should be stated so as not to cause future insurance problems with a potential buyer.I would advise you do a little research into your vehicle rather then just rudely dismiss peoples questions

- nobananas000

....and the reply

Dear nobananas000,

The car is badged as a 2.5 turbo, the logbook says 2316cc. Its such a pain in the arse getting emails from idiots saying is it a t5 mate? Its not a t5 but it is a 2.3 turbo which is the same as a t5, Its quicker than my mates 850 t5 as we tried them against each other up to 130 mph. We are both experienced racing drivers so know whats what when it comes to speed & acceleration. I find that ebay is full of people that think they know everything because they read it on a computer, have no friends & maturbate a lot. I am a very serious Volvo fan & didnt mean to offend anyone in the owners club. the comment was put there just to defer idiotic questions. All the above aside The cars a bargain & if it doesnt sell I will be entering it into a demolition derby with a caravan on the back. I'm not desperate for the money, the cars not in my way & would appreciate it if serious buyers did what serious buyers do & just speak to me & get away from this step backwards in communication thing called email & text. Theres a saying in the trade "buyers talk & timewasters type". Which category do you fall in? Are you a buyer? If not I appreciate your comments, I dont require a reply unless its to buy the car. My direct number is 07891722873 if you are a serious buyer. I sell 20 plus cars a week & dont have the time or patience to do research for a few hundred quid, if it was £5k I would but its not & never will be. I never dismiss serious buyers & they are the ones that talk to me, When I get stupid emails I dismiss them as idiots with nothing more than a box of tissues for company. Rant over, try calling me to see what a genuine person I am & how annoyed I am at my time being wasted with stupid & pointless emails.
Regards
Lee.

...says it all really !

[Dangerous Dave]

Unless its had an engine change? Someone could have bunged a 2.3 in it.

WTF is he on about spending a few hundred quid on research?

Some people you can't get through to (usually the thick ones), it would help if he could tell us the engine number, but didn't someone try and he didn't respond?

[phil_woods]

bloke sounds like an idiot and he cant spell masturbate I mean who cant spell that!!

If he obviously knows volvos like he says then what is all this confusion??

[AlanG]

Simple........He doesn't know a Volvo from his vagina......

[Dangerous Dave]

I am a very serious Volvo fan & didnt mean to offend anyone in the owners club.

LOL as if he thinks we give a **** about that, we just want to let him know that he's wrong.

[nobananas]

Unless its had an engine change? Someone could have bunged a 2.3 in it.

WTF is he on about spending a few hundred quid on research?

Some people you can't get through to (usually the thick ones), it would help if he could tell us the engine number, but didn't someone try and he didn't respond?

I asked him (politely I might add) for an engine code when it was first listed but he just ignored my request and told me I didn't know what I was talking about. I 'd gladly accept it's had an engine change but that should really be divulged as it could cause some poor unsuspecting punter no end of trouble trying to insure it. I'm actually quite ashamed that I've 'bitten' so easily with this one LOL !

[LeeT5]

Bloke sounds like an arrogant arse! He know's sweet F A about Volvo's otherwise he wouldn't avoid the Qs and and that crap about racing a mate at 130mph.....please!! How childish! If he knew it was a T5 then he wouldn't have needed to exercise such a pointless race.

My advise: Never buy a car on Ebay, full stop! All he had to do was look at the engine number on the timing belt cover and answer the bloody question! What a knob!

Ebay should be informed about a fake sale then remove that ad. That will pi ss on his fire!!!!:cuckoo:

[phil_woods]

thats a really good idea, who is volunteering to do it, get it removed as a fraudulant sale of a t5! I do disagree about buying a car on ebay though. Mine cost me peanuts and I took two mechanics with me when I went to pick it up, if it isnt as described then you are not obliged to buy. Thats what I did but luckily bought a goodun it would appear.

[sebasteeno]

Who was it said you couldnt get a T5 with fifteens?

Well here's (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1997-VOLVO-V70-T5-AUTO-GREEN_W0QQitemZ170363827658QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAuto mobiles_UK?hash=item27aa79b5ca&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14) one.

[phil_woods]

1 million quid to buy it now, im no expert but I think that might be a bit steep especially when you see the list of bad points....and its on 15's lol

[jdavis]

if that was an ME7 V70 i'd have a punt on it for spares for mine.

[p fandango]

Who was it said you couldnt get a T5 with fifteens?

Well here's (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1997-VOLVO-V70-T5-AUTO-GREEN_W0QQitemZ170363827658QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAuto mobiles_UK?hash=item27aa79b5ca&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14) one.
from the factory you can't, its had the wheels swop for some reason

PS how on earth do you get away with that number plate lol

[cookie]

bloke sounds like an idiot and he cant spell masturbate I mean who cant spell that!!



perhaps the saying is true, and he can't see what he's written properly :)

[AlanG]

[QUOTE=phil_woods;246132]bloke sounds like an idiot and he cant spell masturbate I mean who cant spell that!!
The ones that spell it w**k.........

[S1RS]

Who was it said you couldnt get a T5 with fifteens?

Well here's (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1997-VOLVO-V70-T5-AUTO-GREEN_W0QQitemZ170363827658QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAuto mobiles_UK?hash=item27aa79b5ca&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14) one.


How can that be? I tried to put my 850 T5 alloys on my V70 T5 and they wouldnt fit over the front caliper, surely a 15" wheel wont fit?

[thebadger]

Bigger brakes on the later model V70's & deffo for the P2's, minimum fit is 16".

Probably will fit your rear wheels, but not the front as it would foul on the larger calipers.

p.s. they look like 16"s to me!

[p fandango]

How can that be? I tried to put my 850 T5 alloys on my V70 T5 and they wouldnt fit over the front caliper, surely a 15" wheel wont fit?
some V70's came with 302mm brakes which your right 850 T-5 rims won't fit, but other V70's came with 280mm which will allow most wheels to go on

[S1RS]

Think mines 99 on V-reg, brakes are defo much larger than my 850, although they dont seem any better than that was, plus without decent pads they fade very quickly.

[p fandango]

Think mines 99 on V-reg, brakes are defo much larger than my 850, although they dont seem any better than that was, plus without decent pads they fade very quickly.
there doesn't seem to be a pattern to which C/S/V70's came with either 280 or 302's, it only seems the S/V70R's were guaranteed the 302's. Everything else seemed to be whichever they picked out the basket first

all 850's had 280's, except some police spec cars which needed to have the S/V70 16's to make them fit