going faster

[leet5r]

hi am new to the world of volvos lol been into fords and still is lol . what is the best way to run about 330/350 bhp in my t5r . i have seen a few pics with the intercooler pipes runnin over the engine , is there any benifit to this and what is the best turbo to uer heard a few differnt things cheer lee

[t5 pete]

the pipes over the top are the reverse flow intercooler piping its supposed to give quicker throttle response as for the figures you quote you will need strenghtend internals a decent garratt turbo, injectors ,manifold,down pipe, a good map etc it depends on how much you want to spend.
Whats your budget

[Tomcat]

Hi Lee, your best bet would be to get a remap, a decent cat back exhaust, some sort of K&N airfilter(or other brand), and do a basic tune (i.e. plugs, dizzy cap, fuel filter,etc..), also check all the vac pipes are ok. This should give you a decent amount of power, for any more you'll be wanting a different turbo and injectors plus a specific remap. There's loads of choice, all depends how deep your pockets are.

Oh and the reverse flow piping is off the early cars and is supposed to be a shorter intake setup, this means the intake air is less likely to get warmed up along the way to the engine.

[AlanG]

Pete and TC are spot on mate. Without internal upgrades,you'll get close to 300bhp but that may be optomistic. Mine is re-mapped with an MBC and a K&N panel and it flies. Definitely depends on the depth of your pockets. Need's to be said though,Hamish at HLM is upgrading for £150 and his service is beyond reproach.HTH

[p fandango]

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/cdcc960e29.jpg
spot the difference

the early pipework was dropped as in colder climates the throttle body would freeze up, thats evidence to me that the system keeps the air colder which as we know is a good thing

[walter leever]

I can only agree with my fellow forum members,as said:

1-Go for stage0(vacuums,egnition)
2-Go for a decent exhaust system(complete,with downpipe)
3-Go for a decent map(if poss.a upgradeble one(f.e.MTE)
Now you should see close to/or 300 horses,a good start.

When you've done this we'll talk again,succes.:wavey:

Gr,Walter

P.s In the mean time it's wise to upgrade your brakes and suspension aswell

[leet5r]

thanks guys . what are these engines good for mileages wise. use to the fords needin rebuilds lol a would like to keep the volvo as a daily driver a heard ricu are good . how much would a relieable 330bhp cost ,a dont want to be on the limits of a standard turbo or anything like that. a do quiet a few miles a week for work cheers regards lee

[leet5r]

Hi Lee, your best bet would be to get a remap, a decent cat back exhaust, some sort of K&N airfilter(or other brand), and do a basic tune (i.e. plugs, dizzy cap, fuel filter,etc..), also check all the vac pipes are ok. This should give you a decent amount of power, for any more you'll be wanting a different turbo and injectors plus a specific remap. There's loads of choice, all depends how deep your pockets are.

Oh and the reverse flow piping is off the early cars and is supposed to be a shorter intake setup, this means the intake air is less likely to get warmed up along the way to the engine.

what would be a decent turbo for it m8and what size injectors lol fust use to the ford stuff

[t5 pete]

I would go for a 19t for that power
So at a geuss
tdo4-19t turbo £700
strenghten internals £400-£500
larger injectors blue ones £100 for recons
down pipe and race cat £500+
me7 manifold£50-£100 depending on condition
then its a map £ god know

[walter leever]

I think yours(T-5R)has got the 15G turbo,so you'll probably need a 18T or a 19T.(correct me if i'm wrong)

Injector wise i think green or blue ones.(to go for 320-350 bhp)

gr,walter

[leet5r]

I would go for a 19t for that power
So at a geuss
tdo4-19t turbo £700
strenghten internals £400-£500
larger injectors blue ones £100 for recons
down pipe and race cat £500+
me7 manifold£50-£100 depending on condition
then its a map £ god know

you guys are fast on here lol. a was wantin to do that 302mm disk upgrade on the car aswell but a put me feelers out with the power question first lol . is the 19t turbo off a v70r or something a dont want to pull the engine apart if a can help it lol.the cossies used coloured injectors aswell is there any simeralitys and was thinkin a decat pipe as a know cats are fortunes and whats a me7 cheers

[AlanG]

To reply to the longevity q,they will last as long as they are maintained. Have heard of one example covering 1,000,000 miles.

[walter leever]

I think your better of,with these power figures,with a Big Brake kit.

302's are not enough.

I'm at the 300 mark and will order a Big Brake kit myself,just for safety(these are heavy cars,have 302's)

Suspension wise look in my post "upgrades to the old bus" to give you an idea of the possibillities

[t5 pete]

a me7 is a later manifold it flows better and is less restrictive i would get a 3" down pipe and have a decat pipe as well theres a few people running the 19t on standard internals but it all depends on the map it the boost builds really eairly in higher gears it will put masses of strain on the rods.
Unlike cosworths the rods are only good to around the 300 mark if your just wanting some more power ide give the car a damm good tune up and get a rica/hlm 304 as that alone transformes the car.

[t5 pete]

To reply to the longevity q,they will last as long as they are maintained. Have heard of one example covering 1,000,000 miles.

couldnt agree more the key to engine longativity is good maintaines regular oil changes i do myne every 3k or every year which ever come first.

[leet5r]

I think your better of,with these power figures,with a Big Brake kit.

302's are not enough.

thanks

[leet5r]

a me7 is a later manifold it flows better and is less restrictive i would get a 3" down pipe and have a decat pipe as well theres a few people running the 19t on standard internals but it all depends on the map it the boost builds really eairly in higher gears it will put masses of strain on the rods.
Unlike cosworths the rods are only good to around the 300 mark if your just wanting some more power ide give the car a damm good tune up and get a rica/hlm 304 as that alone transformes the car.

thanks m8 the lad who a got the car said his feels faster (t5r) than the 1 he is getting with a map and pipe on (s70r) thats all and a like to have that little bit edge on the people out there ( lots people got remapped 1s ). cosworths are in me blood and next year was hopin to get a big big power 1 lol. so you would just reqement a remap filter and decat pipe cheers lee

[t5 pete]

With just the bottom three you will see a big difference my next door neighbour has a saph cossi its not a bad motor but the build quality and feel is **** compaired to the t5's also every one know that cossy's can run big power but few know of t5's running it aswell ide rather have a sheep in wolfs clothing if ya get what i mean because no one expects a old bus to kick there ass

[walter leever]

With just the bottom three you will see a big difference my next door neighbour has a saph cossi its not a bad motor but the build quality and feel is **** compaired to the t5's also every one know that cossy's can run big power but few know of t5's running it aswell ide rather have a sheep in wolfs clothing if ya get what i mean because no one expects a old bus to kick there ass


That's where the fun is with these unexpected"monsters":funkybana

Those who know,know what these cars can do,but for most people outthere they look like boxy old cars(we know better though)

[leet5r]

the pipes over the top are the reverse flow intercooler piping its supposed to give quicker throttle response as for the figures you quote you will need strenghtend internals a decent garratt turbo, injectors ,manifold,down pipe, a good map etc it depends on how much you want to spend.
Whats your budget

another thing m8 how far up the boost gauage will the needle go on a standard car ? mine when a got it use to go off the gauage then drop off back onto the gauage peakin then holdin a think alot like cossies lol, but it will not rev past 5.5 grand on the revo cheers

[t5 pete]

it should rev all the way up to the red line the standard ecu normally has 9.5 psi which is roughly 3/4 the way into the white ive got the 304 and ive got 16psi constant and the gauge goes about 2mm of the white constant at the peak it goes roughly 4mm off the gauge

[walter leever]

another thing m8 how far up the boost gauage will the needle go on a standard car ? mine when a got it use to go off the gauage then drop off back onto the gauage peakin then holdin a think alot like cossies lol, but it will not rev past 5.5 grand on the revo cheers

Normaly(standard)the needle goes roughly half way the white(at least on mine it did,R)when it goes of the scale it seems like it's already mapped.
T-5R's have a 30 second (over)boost,i think to give it 240 horses,whereas the R's have it all the time(250 horses),it should hold it's boost though.

[walter leever]

it should rev all the way up to the red line the standard ecu normally has 9.5 psi which is roughly 3/4 the way into the white ive got the 304 and ive got 16psi constant and the gauge goes about 2mm of the white constant at the peak it goes roughly 4mm off the gauge

Seems like we're typing at the same time,next time i'll wait for you...lol

[t5 pete]

Seems like we're typing at the same time,next time i'll wait for you...lol

lol

[AlanG]

Fit and healthy I think they go 2/3rds into the white. Unlikely you'll find such an example nowadays as the are getting on in life!! That little b*****d vac elbow at the timing side of the inlet is usually to blame.

[jardon]

I have a modified 19t, mte remap, 3" down pipe/race cat, cat back exhaust, ported manifold and bigger injectors - I really can't imagine it's making much more than 300 bhp. These are still small turbos and for big bhp you need more torque at the top end. What I have got is a very responsive car that pulls a lot harder and is more willing than my 16t/mte. There a few members with the KKK (s60R) turbo that get 350 BHP but even thats pushing it. For a reliable unstressed 350 bhp I would be looking at a Garret 2871 or similar. Some folks say you can run 400 BHP on standard internals so long as peak torque is not too high. If you're going for the big bhp though I would probably get the rods done and have the torque as well.

This is the costly option but as pointed out it's a deep pockets game to have big numbers on a dyno.

[wegal]

ME9 and more than 300 horses... hehehe.

[Al115]

I would go for a 19t for that power
So at a geuss
tdo4-19t turbo £700
strenghten internals £400-£500
larger injectors blue ones £100 for recons
down pipe and race cat £500+
me7 manifold£50-£100 depending on condition
then its a map £ god know

I had done all of that and more to my previous T5 (apart from the internals) and it was nowhere near 330bhp. 300 maybe.

[leet5r]

Fit and healthy I think they go 2/3rds into the white. Unlikely you'll find such an example nowadays as the are getting on in life!! That little b*****d vac elbow at the timing side of the inlet is usually to blame.

what does the vac elbow look like m8 the throttle body pipe is very soft would that make a difference cheers

[leet5r]

it should rev all the way up to the red line the standard ecu normally has 9.5 psi which is roughly 3/4 the way into the white ive got the 304 and ive got 16psi constant and the gauge goes about 2mm of the white constant at the peak it goes roughly 4mm off the gauge

where is the est place to get every thing checked over and maybe a map a live in sunderland

[AlanG]

what does the vac elbow look like m8 the throttle body pipe is very soft would that make a difference cheers

Hi buddy,if you do a search on here you'll find a comprehensive how-to for the little bugger.I posted this up quite recently. Very common on these,in fact a certainty that at some point it will fail. Tell tale is erratic/high idle speed. If you don't find it,let me know and I'll be more than happy to re-post.

[leet5r]

Hi buddy,if you do a search on here you'll find a comprehensive how-to for the little bugger.I posted this up quite recently. Very common on these,in fact a certainty that at some point it will fail. Tell tale is erratic/high idle speed. If you don't find it,let me know and I'll be more than happy to re-post.

it runs fine m8 it just doesnt boost like it was lol and a need more boost cheers

[Wobbly Dave]

I had done all of that and more to my previous T5 (apart from the internals) and it was nowhere near 330bhp. 300 maybe.

I too have all the gear - and I get a solid 300bhp. I haven't uprated the internals for the ME7 engine.

Runs 1.2 bar in 3rd and 4th.

I have been wondering for a while if this is as far as I can go.

TBH the most cost effective way is to buy a MY2005 S60 T5 with the slightly larger ME9 engine and remap the bugger. It already has the KKK on it. You could go further and downpipe it with a race cat and exhaust. The only reason I havent is that I like my C70 too much still.