HELP :( Arrow flashing (auto box)

[Johnny5]

Hi guys, whilst driving my 850 tonight the yellow arrow on the dash started flashing and so did the green econ light on the mode selector for the auto box!
Bar from checking the oil level tomorrow when its light, thats the limit of my knowledge when it comes to auto transmissions
Any ideas? also it seems the box is slipping slightly in 1st, could that be limp home mode?
Best regards
John

[5seaterT5x2]

Hi guys, whilst driving my 850 tonight the yellow arrow on the dash started flashing and so did the green econ light on the mode selector for the auto box!
Bar from checking the oil level tomorrow when its light, thats the limit of my knowledge when it comes to auto transmissions
Any ideas? also it seems the box is slipping slightly in 1st, could that be limp home mode?
Best regards
John


i'm afraid flashing arrow is likely not good. doubt it's low fluid or anything that simple. first thing to do hopefully you have the diagnostics gizmo behind the drivers side headlight by the washer bottle filler, with this you need to get the codes read it's quite straight forward it's well documented in the haynes manual. as for the box slipping no i would be fairly certain it's in limp home mode the car puts it's in i think 3rd gear to try and stop any further damage with heavy accleration. if you have'nt got the diagnostics gizmo by the washer filler cap then you need to get the codes read by a dealer or someone with a good code reader. (i bloody hate autos) ;-/

[Major Frank Squiff]

The slipping in first is it being in limp home mode. Apart from checking the fluid level in the correct way, making sure it doesn't smell burnt and is a cherry red colour, the next thing is to get the codes read. Best of luck!

[Niles]

the slipping in 'first' isnt first, the car is starting to pull in 3rd gear. check the oil level, after that next suspect could be the PNP switch, anything after that could be a pain/expensive.

[5seaterT5x2]

Hi guys, whilst driving my 850 tonight the yellow arrow on the dash started flashing and so did the green econ light on the mode selector for the auto box!
Bar from checking the oil level tomorrow when its light, thats the limit of my knowledge when it comes to auto transmissions
Any ideas? also it seems the box is slipping slightly in 1st, could that be limp home mode?
Best regards
John

PM sent

[T5arrrgghh]

You haven't fitted HID's recently have you?

[5seaterT5x2]

the slipping in 'first' isnt first, the car is starting to pull in 3rd gear. check the oil level, after that next suspect could be the PNP switch, anything after that could be a pain/expensive.

good idea PNP switch forgot about that little devil.
try moving the gear shift back and forth bout 10/15 times that might well do it. you will still have to clear fault codes mind.
did mine last year was £95 new from braydons fitted it myself, sorted.

[Bob France]

Had exactly the same problem on my old T5 after it had been sitting for a few weeks.As 5seatert5x2 says, check the codes first,I reset mine and lo and behold that's all it needed,I hope that's all you have to do,Good luck.

[Johnny5]

Ok guys well thanks for your replies..... The weather has been crap today so didnt get a chance to have a look at it, how do you clear the stored codes then? can ya do via the diagnostic button my the headlamp? John

[5seaterT5x2]

Ok guys well thanks for your replies..... The weather has been crap today so didnt get a chance to have a look at it, how do you clear the stored codes then? can ya do via the diagnostic button my the headlamp? John

yes,if you've got a haynes it's clearly written in there,bound to be on here somewheres if you do a search

[cameron]

Would the easiest way to clear the codes not be to pull the ECU out over night ?

Always worked for me :B_thumb:

The Buttons thingy can take ages to get right, once it took me 1hr 40 mins to clear the codes, it was awful, stood in the rain and wind :(

[Johnny5]

Spose i could disconnect the battery overnight???? That would do the same as pulling the auto box ecu plug.......

[cameron]

Yeah same as mate :B_thumb:

Should reset the ecu and turn out that annoying little triangle :(

[Johnny5]

I found this info on google..... do ya reckon its any good? although even if i did get a code out of it, i wouldnt know what it meant lol.............

behind the passengers side head light are 2 small black boxes,1 marked A ,and 1 marked B.on box A there is a small wire insert the wire into the hole marked 1 then turn the ignition key to position 2 but not started.then on the box narked A push the small button for 1 second then release it.the small red light will flash a code back as a 3 digit number.there is a short pause between flashes for a single digit and long pause between the different numbers.example:
a 121 would look like this flash.....flash..flash....flash
write down each code,then after the first code repeats its self then press the button for 5 seconds the light will light when pressing button then go out when released,then the light will light steady again when it does press button fo 5 seconds again,this should have reset the check engine light

[t5 pete]

its behind the drivers side unless in other contrys they have it on the passenger side

[cameron]

Firstly its on the drivers side ;)

And thats what i tried and it is hit and miss tbh

It does work but how many tries it will take is unknown.

Could be lucky and get it first time could take 20 attempts :confused:

If your going to disconnect the battery make sure you have the code for the radio ;)

[cameron]

Maybe on Left Hand Drive pete ;)

[Johnny5]

Then i found this! YAY!

CODE Fenix 5.2 System
PROBABLE CAUSE for Volvo vehicles
1-1-1 No faults
1-1-2 ECU faulty
1-1-3 Fuel injectors; From 1994 and later, Heated oxygen sensor - maximum enrichment sensed
short term fuel mixture too weak
1-1-5 Injector no. 1 cylinder faulty signal
1-2-1 Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) signal absent or faulty
1-2-2 Air Temperature sensor signal absent or faulty
1-2-3 Coolant temperature sensor signal absent or faulty
1-2-5 Injector no. 2 cylinder faulty signal
1-3-1 Ignition System RPM signal
1-3-2 Battery voltage too low/high
1-3-3 Throttle switch signal (idle)
1-3-5 Injector no. 3 falty signal
1-4-2 ECU faulty
1-4-3 (front) knock sensor signal missing or sensor defective
1-4-4 Fuel system load signal (missing or defective)
1-4-5 Injector no. 4 cylinder faulty signal
1-5-2 air pump valve signal absent or faulty (only on some emission controlled vehicles)
1-5-3 Rear heated oxygen sensor signal
1-5-4 EGR system - leakage or excessive flow
1-5-5 Injector no. 5 cylinder faulty signal
2-1-2 heated oxygen Sensor Signal (front sensor on 1994 and later models) absent or faulty
2-1-3 Throttle switch signal (wide-open)
2-1-4 Ignition rpm sensor signal erratic, absent or faulty
2-2-1 Lambda Operation; also Heated oxygen sensor (mixture too rich under part throttle)
/ long term fuel mixture too weak in part load stage
2-2-2 Main relay signal absent or faulty
2-2-3 Idle air control valve signal absent or faulty
2-2-4 Coolant temperature sensor signal
2-2-5 A/C pressure sensor signal absent or faulty
2-3-1 Lambda adjustment; For 1994 and later, heated oxygen sensor (mixture too lean under part throttle)
/ long term fuel mixture too rich in part load stage
2-3-2 Lambda adjustment; For 1994 and later, adaptive heated oxygen sensor control
/ long term fuel mixture too weak at idle
2-3-3 Idle valve - closed or intake air leak / long term idle air trim outside control range
2-3-4 Throttle switch signal missing
2-4-1 EGR malfunction
2-4-5 Idle air control valve - closing signal
3-1-1 Speedometer signal
3-1-2 Knock/Fuel enrichment signal missing
3-1-4 Camshft position sensor signal missing or defective
3-1-5 EVAP emission control system
3-2-1 Cold start valve - signal missing
3-2-2 Airflow meter hot wire
3-2-4 Camshaft position sensor signal erratic
3-2-5 ECU memory failure
3-3-5 TCM request for MIL (CHECK ENGINE light)
4-1-1 Throttle switch signal faulty or missing
4-1-3 EGR temperature sensor signal incorrect or missing
4-1-4 Turbo boost regulation
4-1-6 Turbo boost reduction from TCM
4-2-5 Temperature warning level no. 1
4-3-1 EGR temperature sensor faulty or missing
4-3-2 High temperature warning inside ECU
4-3-3 No rear knock sensor signal
4-3-5 Front heated oxygen sensor - slow response
4-3-6 Rear heated oxygen sensor compensation
4-4-3 Catalytic converter efficiency
4-4-4 Acceleration sensor signal
4-5-1 Misfire cylinder no. 1
4-5-2 Misfire cylinder no. 2
4-5-3 Misfire cylinder no. 3
4-5-4 Misfire cylinder no. 4
4-5-5 Misfire cylinder no. 5
5-1-1 Adaptive oxygen sensor control, provides leaner mixture at idle
5-1-2 Oxygen intergrator at maximum lean running limit
5-1-3 High temperature warning inside ECU
5-1-4 Engine cooling fan - low speed signal faulty
5-2-1 Oxygen sensor preheating front
5-2-2 Oxygen sensor preheating rear
5-3-1 Power stage - group A
5-3-2 Power stage - group B
5-3-3 Power stage - group C
5-3-4 Power stage - group D
5-3-5 TC control valve signal
5-4-1 EVAP valve signal
5-4-2 Misfire on more than one cylinder
5-4-3 Misfire on at least one cylinder
5-4-4 Misfire on more than one cylinder, catalyic converter damage
5-4-5 Misfire on at least one cylinder, catalyic converter damage
5-5-1 Misfire on cylinder no. 1, catalyic converter damage
5-5-2 Misfire on cylinder no. 2, catalyic converter damage
5-5-3 Misfire on cylinder no. 3, catalyic converter damage
5-5-4 Misfire on cylinder no. 4, catalyic converter damage
5-5-5 Misfire on cylinder no. 5, catalyic converter damage


CODE Motronic 4.3 System
PROBABLE CAUSE for Volvo vehicles
1-1-2 ECU faulty
1-1-5 Injector no. 1 cylinder faulty signal
1-2-1 MAF signal absent or faulty
1-2-3 Coolant temperature sensor signal absent or faulty
1-2-5 Injector no. 2 cylinder faulty signal
1-3-1 Ignition System RPM signal absent or faulty
1-3-2 Battery voltage too low/high
1-3-5 Injector no. 3 faulty signal
1-4-3 (front) knock sensor signal missing or sensor defective
1-4-4 Fuel system load signal (missing or defective)
1-4-5 Injector no. 4 cylinder faulty signal
1-5-2 air pump valve signal absent or faulty (on certain engines)
1-5-4 EGR system - leakage or excessive flow (on certain engines)
1-5-5 Injector no. 5 cylinder faulty signal
2-1-2 heated oxygen Sensor Signal absent or faulty
2-1-4 Ignition rpm sensor signal intermittently absent
2-2-3 Idle air control valve signal absent or faulty
2-2-5 A/C pressure sensor signal absent or faulty
2-3-1 Long term fuel mixture too lean or rich in part load stage
2-3-2 long term fuel mixture too lean or rich at idle
2-3-3 long term idle air trim outside control range
2-3-5 EGR controller signal absent/faulty (on certain engines)
2-4-1 EGR flow fault (on certain engines)
2-4-3 throttle position sensor signal voltage incorrect (out of range)
2-4-4 knock control at limit
2-4-5 Idle air control valve closing signal faulty/absent
3-1-1 Speedo signal missing
3-1-3 EVAP valve signal absent/faulty (on certain engines)
3-1-4 Camshft position sensor signal missing or defective
3-1-5 EVAP emission control system fault (on certain engines)
3-2-3 Malfunction indicator lamp signal faulty
3-2-5 ECU memory failure
3-3-5 request for Malfunction indicator lamp signal from auto transmission ECU
3-4-2 airconditioning relay control signal fault
3-4-3 fuel pump relay control signal fault
4-1-1 Throttle position sensor signal not within correct voltage
4-1-3 EGR temperature sensor signal incorrect or missing (on certain engines)
4-1-4 Turbo boost pressure too high
4-1-6 Turbo boost reduction from auto transmission ECU(/TCM)
4-3-2 High temperature warning inside ECU
4-3-3 rear knock sensor signal absent/faulty
4-3-5 heated oxygen sensor - slow response
4-4-2 air pump relay signal absent/faulty (on certain engines)
5-1-1 long term fuel mix too rich @ idle
5-1-2 short term fuel mix too rich @ idle
5-1-3 High temperature warning inside ECU
5-1-4 Engine cooling fan at low speed faulty
5-1-5 Engine cooling fan at high speed faulty
5-2-1 Oxygen sensor heating fault
5-2-3 signal to ECU module box cooling fan shorted to 12 volts
5-2-4 fault in transmission torque control signal
5-3-5 turbo regulator valve fault
5-4-1 EVAP valve signal fault (on certain engines)


CODE Bosch LH 3.2 Jetronic System
PROBABLE CAUSE for Volvo vehicles
1-1-1
1-1-2
1-1-3
1-2-1
1-2-3
1-3-1
1-3-2
2-1-2
2-2-1
2-2-3
2-3-1
2-3-2
3-1-1
4-1-1
5-1-1
5-1-2 No faults
ECU faulty
short term fuel mixture too weak
MAF signal absent or faulty
Coolant temperature sensor signal absent or faulty
Ignition System RPM signal absent or faulty
Battery voltage too low/high
heated oxygen Sensor Signal absent or faulty
long term fuel mixture too weak in part load stage
Idle air control valve signal absent or faulty
Long term fuel mixture too lean or rich in part load stage
Long term fuel mixture too lean at idle
Speedo signal missing
Throttle position sensor signal absent
long term fuel mix too rich @ idle
short term fuel mix too rich

[Johnny5]

And this..........................

Gather Codes;
Ignition off
Stick the flylead attached to the cover into A2 socket
Ignition on
press the button next to the led once
Codes appear as blinks, copy down the code onto paper.
Press button again after code displayed to see next code.
After all codes displayed, codes repeat.
(ie continue copying down codes until first code repeats.)
1-1-1 means nothing's there (hopefully, all OK).
Switch off ignition.


Reset system;
Ignition off
Stick the flylead attached to the cover into A2 socket
Ignition on
press the button next to the led once for about five seconds
release
red LED will light
when lit, press the button next to the led again for about five seconds
red LED goes out
Ignition off, keep the flylead attached to the cover into A2 socket
Ignition on
press button once for a second, ensure codes are cleared
or write down code(s) repeat code gathering procedure

[cameron]

http://www.volvoclub.org.uk/tech/service/850/TroubleshootingWithCodes-Turbo.pdf

This is one of the best guides ive seen.

I saved it ages ago just in case, diagrams an all :D

[Johnny5]

Cheers m8y, now got smoke coming from my printer! didnt realise it was 46 pages hahahahahaha

[cameron]

:ices_rofl

Save it in the favourites and just keep going back to it.

Even better if you have a laptop like myself, take it to the car with you :B_thumb:

[5seaterT5x2]

I found this info on google..... do ya reckon its any good? although even if i did get a code out of it, i wouldnt know what it meant lol.............

behind the passengers side head light are 2 small black boxes,1 marked A ,and 1 marked B.on box A there is a small wire insert the wire into the hole marked 1 then turn the ignition key to position 2 but not started.then on the box narked A push the small button for 1 second then release it.the small red light will flash a code back as a 3 digit number.there is a short pause between flashes for a single digit and long pause between the different numbers.example:
a 121 would look like this flash.....flash..flash....flash
write down each code,then after the first code repeats its self then press the button for 5 seconds the light will light when pressing button then go out when released,then the light will light steady again when it does press button fo 5 seconds again,this should have reset the check engine light

thats the one but it's behind drivers side headlight, i expect this is written in the states or whatever for a left hand drive thats the only difference

[cameron]

5Seater check out my linky its a lot easier to follow and has pictures and step by step instructions on clearing all the codes.

Theres also a list of all the codes.

Save it in your favourites :D

[Johnny5]

@@@UPDATE@@@

Checked the oil, oh dear! Needs a change, its brown and smells "burnt", also level was low by 1ltr!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also did the shifting fast through the gears thingy...... And hey presto! its sorted! mind you had to clear the codes b4 it would start??????????
Anyway light is off and g/box back to normal! PHEW!

[5seaterT5x2]

@@@UPDATE@@@

Checked the oil, oh dear! Needs a change, its brown and smells "burnt", also level was low by 1ltr!!!!!!!!!!!!
Also did the shifting fast through the gears thingy...... And hey presto! its sorted! mind you had to clear the codes b4 it would start??????????
Anyway light is off and g/box back to normal! PHEW!

great news mate well done but i think that due to the fact that the gear shifting thing seems to have cleared it that likely means the PNP switch is on it's way did mine last year cost £95 iirc from Braydons volvo fitted it myself.

next thing i would do is a major gearbox fluid change MAKE SURE YOU USE THE RIGHT STUFF!
I was advised on my 95 gle to use DEXRON 3.

[Johnny5]

Yup i have DEXRON III at work.... ;) so a change is on the cards, and yup PNP switch is also in my mind to do.... I have detailed instructions on how to, found em on tinternet! yay!