19t

[850twr]

right moving on from the last topic, i've stumbled across this...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VOLVO-850-S70-Upgrade-TD04HL-19T-6-Turbocharger-New_W0QQitemZ220338314782QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_Car sParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item220338314782&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18

is that regarded as a reasonable price? also what sort of boost levels are deemed as safe on stock rods?

and can anyone one tell me how much this will improve my 0-30 time.

[Enigma666]

It's a good price, not overly safe for standard rods or injectors and your 0-30 will suck ass as the turbo takes longer to spool.

[irf]

sorry, a bit off topic here but is this your youtube page? (http://uk.youtube.com/user/850twr)

cos if it is i'm struggling to see any actual races:confused:

[Wobbly Dave]

I've run a 19T for best part of 3 years in 3 different T5s without any internal engine issues (rods that is). The spool up is later but carries for a longer time.

I am just praying you cant afford it.

[Jimmie]

Why ???.

[Wobbly Dave]

I dont need to say?

[Jimmie]

I know dave mum's the word .lol

[redbaron]

thats a pretty good price really considering what you'll be getting,right im gonna ask my stupid question again,what turbo does a 1997 850 2.3 t5 have?i want to find out so i can gauge what the next size to upgrade to is

[Wobbly Dave]

850s usually have the 15G. 1 or 2 later models may have the 16T - but I dont think so. 16T is a good all rounder but lacks the top end grunt of the 19T.

[pangster]

sorry, a bit off topic here but is this your youtube page? (http://uk.youtube.com/user/850twr)

cos if it is i'm struggling to see any actual races:confused:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6znHRTZecaU&feature=channel_page


Full TWR SS exhaust system, SS CAI, Forge twin piston BOV, adjusted wastegate,only stock boost so around 245bhp. Still plenty to go obviously, was acheived in a 30 limit! :S

tell me you're joking!...

[redbaron]

would you recommend going from a 15 to 19?i dont really fancy replacing rods and pistons yet,i will be getting a jt 3'' exhaust system and a one off intake manifold,

@^^^ racing to 30mph is the new top speed racing

[MrMopp]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6znHRTZecaU&feature=channel_page



tell me you're joking!...

Unfortunately i doubt it :blowingup

[Enigma666]

It's all about the tuning Baron - if it is done well then you should be fine for over 300hp on stock rods, done badly you can bend one with low end torque.
That's the issue rather than what the turbo can flow max

[Enigma666]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6znHRTZecaU&feature=channel_page



tell me you're joking!...

Most worrying is how that is being filmed :(
Looks to be camera phone on video mode or similar, therefore either being held with one hand and driving with the other (not clever) or being held under the shoulder or something (even less clever)

[Wobbly Dave]

:stupid: Indeed If you look for my graphs (knocking around here somewhere) I got good power and over 400NM of torque on the 19T. Bringing it in too early like any forced induction will create problems.

[redbaron]

@enigma,how do you mean tuning?i reguarly service the engine and try generally to keep the engine well kept

[Enigma666]

Oh not tuning like that mate, it will need a full custom ECU remap to run it well and larger injectors (prob greens from an R or equivalent).
Look to pay in the region of £500 for a custom map (based on MTE prices)

[stainesy]

does the T-5 R have the 15g turbo?
also this thing my car has that makes it over boost for 30 seconds. whats that all about and how does it work?

[volvokid]

I thought the T-5 R was 16t but could be wrong dude.

[irf]

nope. T-5R in both auto and manual came with the 15G. so did the automatic 850R. the manual 850R though, did come with a 16T and a viscous coupling(kind of diff).

[Jimmie]

Hey irf when is that car going to get round that bl--dy corner?.lol

[stainesy]

oh right. so what the deal with this 30 second over boost thingy the t-5 R has? and how does it work and when does it kick in?

[Enigma666]

define over boost? Generally this isn't a good thing mate. Have you got an MBC or something fitted?

[redbaron]

injectors not a problem but remap could be,could any idiot with a rolling road and laptop do it?see if you look at my location <<<< you'll see im nowere near MTE,will the car drive without the remap albeit badly?

also what is an MBE?

[stainesy]

define over boost? Generally this isn't a good thing mate. Have you got an MBC or something fitted?

no the T-5 R comes standered with something that gives it extra boost for 30 seconds or something. something to do with modified turbo. thats what it says in the t-5 R spec anyway

[Enigma666]

no the T-5 R comes standered with something that gives it extra boost for 30 seconds or something. something to do with modified turbo. thats what it says in the t-5 R spec anyway

Not a clue then mate, overboost is never a good thing though :( 9what were Volvo thinking tut tut tut)

[Enigma666]

injectors not a problem but remap could be,could any idiot with a rolling road and laptop do it?see if you look at my location <<<< you'll see im nowere near MTE,will the car drive without the remap albeit badly?

also what is an MBE?

Custom tuning is a posibility mate from any company, but there are only really 3 that would be classed as 'specialists' with Volvo....MTE is one, Rica and BSR.
You can send your ECU away to be remapped though. I am sure by now Marco (MTE Wizard) will have a map suitable for that combo already made up :)

Might be without your car for a week, although I 'think' Don @ Kalmar might have spare ECU's to map then you send him yours in replacement.
Failing that, get one of Ebay and send that for the mapping :)

[irf]

something to do with your ecu stainesey. all the hardwares the same which is why, when remapped, it's exactly the same as a T-5.

Jimmie, what can i say, i'm a crap driver but a perfectionist at the same time. once i get the PERFECT line, i'll move on to the next corner:snail:

[Enigma666]

something to do with your ecu stainesey. all the hardwares the same which is why, when remapped, it's exactly the same as a T-5.

Jimmie, what can i say, i'm a crap driver but a perfectionist at the same time. once i get the PERFECT line, i'll move on to the next corner:snail:

LOL!! Liking it

[volvolised]

injectors not a problem but remap could be,could any idiot with a rolling road and laptop do it?see if you look at my location <<<< you'll see im nowere near MTE,will the car drive without the remap albeit badly?

also what is an MBE?


I have for sale a rica ecu that is specificaly mapped for the 19T on a manual 850 T5 with aircon, i had no problems with it and was running almost identical to WD's on the vt RR....it was mapped with the white injectors and me7 2.5" downpipe that i have for sale aswell.....if you get a 19T this will get you on the road straight away ....£350 + p&p for ecu, downpipe and injectors..

[Enigma666]

I have for sale a rica ecu that is specificaly mapped for the 19T on a manual 850 T5 with aircon, i had no problems with it and was running almost identical to WD's on the vt RR....it was mapped with the white injectors and me7 2.5" downpipe that i have for sale aswell.....if you get a 19T this will get you on the road straight away ....£350 + p&p for ecu, downpipe and injectors..

Bargain that is :)
Add on the cost of the turbo and you have a good what....330ish bhp for under a grand :)

[stainesy]

something to do with your ecu stainesey. all the hardwares the same which is why, when remapped, it's exactly the same as a T-5.

yeah i have noticed that at low speed when i floor it the car is mind blowingly fast for about 30 seconds then is still fast but seems to slow abit. but by that time i could be doing over 100mph so it is pretty cool. in the t-5 R spec it says modified turbo with 30 sec extra boost facility. just wonderedhow it worked.

this is a copy of what it says

Modified Turbo
At the heart of the car is a modified turbocharging system for the
five-cylinder engine which gives an increased boost for no more than 30
seconds

have a full spec sheet i managed to get hold of but is to large to put on here.
will copy and past info in the 850 section. will call it T-5 R spec

[Wombatbomb]

For that 30secs the engine (when new and standard) produced 240bhp instead of the standard 225bhp.

[volvolised]

Bargain that is :)
Add on the cost of the turbo and you have a good what....330ish bhp for under a grand :)

I'd say a realistic 300 :rolleyes2 p.s M.B.E = Member of the British Empire...

[Enigma666]

It will still be ECU controlled....a turbo can't be modified to provide 30 seconds of extra boost, it flows what it flows, it will be part of the ECU program to say boost this much psi for this long

[Enigma666]

Surely the 19T is capable of more than 300hp?
The RICA remap for a V70R takes it to 340 doesn't it?

[stainesy]

have put the press release info of the T-5 R gull in 850 section now under T-5 R spec

[irf]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6znHRTZecaU&feature=channel_page



tell me you're joking!...

just to add, did you have your foot down all the way? i could be wrong and would be happy to be corrected but i counted between 10 and 11 seconds 60-100mph. A standard EP3 civic type R will do it in 10 going from EVO magazine stats.

you also mentioned beating evos. which ones? A standard evo 7 with a quoted 276bhp which is heavier then the earlier ones will do 60-100 in 8 seconds, again according to evo mags stats.

[nathT5]

I've run a 19T for best part of 3 years in 3 different T5s without any internal engine issues (rods that is). The spool up is later but carries for a longer time.



at what boost pressure???



as for racing upto 30,
has anyone seen the old Ali-G film with the pimped R5 turbos racing from the lights - to 30? :hilarious

[Enigma666]

at what boost pressure???



as for racing upto 30,
has anyone seen the old Ali-G film with the pimped R5 turbos racing from the lights - to 30? :hilarious

Lol yeah the pair of them, East side Vs West side....funny as hell....when the silver one (Charisma styled I believe) hits like 32 and Ali ****s himself lol

[nathT5]

Lol yeah the pair of them, East side Vs West side....funny as hell....when the silver one (Charisma styled I believe) hits like 32 and Ali ****s himself lol

watch out for the 5-0 :pimp2:

[Enigma666]

Somebody watched it far too often then? lol

I do like the bit giving the cops the V's from behind the door card though lol

[cookie]

I've run a 19T for best part of 3 years in 3 different T5s without any internal engine issues (rods that is). The spool up is later but carries for a longer time.

I am just praying you cant afford it.

I don't think your the only one.

[850twr]

just to add, did you have your foot down all the way? i could be wrong and would be happy to be corrected but i counted between 10 and 11 seconds 60-100mph. A standard EP3 civic type R will do it in 10 going from EVO magazine stats.

you also mentioned beating evos. which ones? A standard evo 7 with a quoted 276bhp which is heavier then the earlier ones will do 60-100 in 8 seconds, again according to evo mags stats.

no i dont have any racing video's, that particular vid was a while ago, and only running the stock 9psi of boost, it was a national limit road at around 2am which lead into a 30, hence the heavy braking, and was recorded by my mate. the evo was either a 7 or a 8, but i'm not sure, and after i had my mbc fitted.(which made a hell of a difference) there wasn't much init but enough for me to have to lift after a few gears. evo's and scoobys are no match for a tweaked t5 once you've got grip, there onwards 4wd just slows you down. not to mention the extra power loss through the drivetrain., so a 276hp t5 would see more power at the wheels than a 276bhp evo, thats just fact. altho i'm in no way saying i'd have either in a tuned state. this is the vid with the current state of tune.. altho no 60-100 time, probably for the best with you lot. 0-60 in a solid 6 seconds tho,

and let me get this right, first i get slated for going too fast, and now i'm getting knocked that its not quick enough, i do know what i've had to back off for. seems its not just non-t5 owners that under rate these engines, and there immense torque.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2onLa4kmTDg&feature=channel_page

19t is very tempting, and yes not that its your business i can afford it even if i had to fork out on rods aswell. altho right now my priority is getting my fsd's fitted. should help the 150mph cornering :p

[irf]

no i dont have any racing video's,

what about the one with the civic type R and the skyline? you've got "vs" in the title which would suggest a race. neither the type R or the skyline were trying.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9c8d5IlNv6E&feature=channel_page




the evo was either a 7 or a 8, but i'm not sure, and after i had my mbc fitted.(which made a hell of a difference) there wasn't much init but enough for me to have to lift after a few gears. evo's and scoobys are no match for a tweaked t5 once you've got grip, there onwards 4wd just slows you down. not to mention the extra power loss through the drivetrain.altho i'm in no way saying i'd have either in a tuned state. this is the vid with the current state of tune.. altho no 60-100 time. 0-60 in a solid 6 seconds tho,

i could be wrong but i would guess that they weren't racing. maybe taken off a bit quick, got into top gear and you've gone hell for leather. obviously i cant really say, i weren't there.

why not get a recent 60-100 as that is more indicative of the sort of power you're at. 0-60 doesn't really mean much.




and let me get this right, first i get slated for going too fast, and now i'm getting knocked that its not quick enough

don't really care one way or the other mate. recently got more idiots here then even i can handle so i tend to avoid this forum now sadly.

[850twr]

you can clearly see that was not a race with the skyline, just a couple of throttle squirts, again i was at stock boost (9psi - 14psi, i'm quite sure your aware of the difference this makes)
i know the bloke and have given him quite a few more goes since i'v had the mbc fitted, and after a few gears i do have to lift, he's complimented me on my car and his is stock atm (250 flywheel hp) the same goes for the type-r of which roars around here constantly, and he definitely was trying as i've had nothing other than pissed off glares from him since. i mean come on, a new over weighted honda with a 2.0na, vtech or not, they create nothing below 6k.gutless.

i don't get what your issues are mate, but you've obviously got some, you own one of these cars, you should know their potential to leave most things behind (not much on the road has 400nm from 2500rpm).
you also need to bare in mind iv got a full 3" twr system which made a silly difference 5k and above, which no one else on here has (unless its been customed) i dont have climate control, cruise control, electric seats, rear electric windows and its a saloon, so the weight advantage to your loaded family wagon is going to be noticeable to say the least.

I've just been slated for my high speed antics, so why the hell should i go and make a 100mph video just to prove to you that my car can do what i know it can.

THIS PLACE IS MAKING NO SENSE!!!!!!


i've been on this site for quite a few months and found it REALLY helpfull and i thank those of you involved for that, untill i made it clear that i actually use my T5 in a way that its capable, and other than a select few people, have had nothing but conflicting contradictory ££££££ since!

[PNuT]

you also need to bare in mind iv got a full 3" twr system which made a silly difference 5k and above, which no one else on here has (unless its been customed) i dont have climate control, cruise control, electric seats, rear electric windows and its a saloon, so the weight advantage to your loaded family wagon is going to be noticeable to say the least.



dear o dear...... that full system still only a cat back?

http://www.vpcuk.org/forums/showthread.php?p=189046#post189046

100kg tops?

[irf]

LOL thank you, i'll at least be going to work with a smile on my face knowing there's another person here without a bloody clue:ices_rofl

[p fandango]

i certainly wouldn't recommend simply bolting on a 19T, running a standard map the standard injectors are at 99.7% at WOT which aint a good idea. Also the 19t actuator is set to 0.7bar instead of the normal 0.3bar so the standard ECU won't control the boost correctly, you can do like me & bypass the BCS so running the 0.7bar actuator pressure but the ECU has no limp home then

if you've got a 15g as standard you'll also need a new angled downpipe, & while your changing the turbo you might aswell upgrade the exhaust manifold for a ME7 or S60R one (plus you'll need new studs, nuts, washers & gaskets which come to £80)

will it add more bhp........yes, with a 19t (running 0.7bar), standard T-5 map, S60R manifold, 3"open downpipe mine was dyno'd at 250bhp, i've got 145k miles on the clock so anything over 225bhp is a bonus

[volvokid]

hey irf i never have a clue dude

[irf]

hey irf i never have a clue dude


neither do i mate but we don't sprout ££££££££ either.

[volvokid]

neither do i mate but we don't sprout ££££££££ either.

ROFL thats brill

[850twr]

yes the cats still on, altho most of it has broken down, 100kg's makes more difference than you may think, and ontop of that my cars covered less than half the milage than yours as far as im aware, so i'm guessing its seen better days.. i apologise for getting annoyed but i'm being pulled left and right by certain people on here.

[Wobbly Dave]

at what boost pressure???



as for racing upto 30,
has anyone seen the old Ali-G film with the pimped R5 turbos racing from the lights - to 30? :hilarious

I've had some performance issues lately - which I am glad to say have been resolved. HLM had my car back for 4 weeks. There were many issues - MAF, Injectors, new wishbone and a new custom map - guess it goes along with the age and use of my car. I also found out the root cause of my ABS problem. Last time out on the track I managed to split the speed ring on the end of the short half shaft (due to heat expansion).

Anyway I have thrown a whole bunch of cash at it and she runs a solid 400Nm through most of the range. Pressure is running 1.2 Bar (and stays there in 3rd and 4th) and she carries the power very nicely through to 6000rpm. I'd say that she really charges in 3rd and 4th, when the full boost is available. It is difficult to say how quickly she would get to top speeds without a runway to test it on. BTW I run new blue injectors.

I am not sure I will do anymore track days now. She's getting on abit (112K miles). 65K miles on a tuned car - things do wear out more quickly.

I shall keep her going for as long as poss.

[Mental Wealth Doctor]

twr you are gonna be rinsed after your last post, cant say oooops pushed him to far, an then deny responsability. mate ive beaten 7 series's bmw in a fiat panda 1litre 2wd an i promise you they were trying, i know we all love our tanks, but its not what you drive but how you drive it. sounds like maybe a big brake kit would be a good move, as you seem to be one of thos round town clowns,

[850twr]

twr you are gonna be rinsed after your last post, cant say oooops pushed him to far, an then deny responsibility. mate ive beaten 7 series's bmw in a fiat panda 1litre 2wd an i promise you they were trying, i know we all love our tanks, but its not what you drive but how you drive it. sounds like maybe a big brake kit would be a good move, as you seem to be one of thos round town clowns,

yeh i do get that, and maybe i did pressurise him down the straight a bit, but i backed off way early for the corner, and the rest was all him i'm afraid. But to be fair it does take 2, and the way he was driving through the earlier corners was ridiculous, way faster than i was willing to attempt in those conditions. anyway is old news now, and i hope to see him driving around again soon.

I will also accept the town clown comment, altho you should see some of the nutters round here, make me look tame in comparison, lol, as it is rare that i get out of town, and i think the big brake kit is a good bit of advice because it doesn't take too long for the stock's to overheat.

I think i've portrayed myself as a madman street racer, but that just isn't the case, i have my moments but thats it. I did karting from the age of 10, and my dad used to rally a mk2 escort back in the 80's so i'm not the usual talentless "boy racer" or atleast thats what i like to think ;D.

again apologies to all i've offended, and i'll keep my antics to myself in future.

Regards. Nick.

[Mental Wealth Doctor]

good darts, i'll be the first to admit my balls have got the better of me at times. used to be one loose mofo. lol,

[850twr]

good darts, i'll be the first to admit my balls have got the better of me at times. used to be one loose mofo. lol,

lol good man, we are only human, and male after all.

[Alan M]

This is an amusing thread.

[BruceT]

Stainsey,

The T-5R has an overboost facility which makes the car produce 240hp instead of 225hp for aprox 30 seconds. If does this by allowing 10.6psi of boost instead of the standard 9.6psi of boost.

15hp more for 1 psi (At the crank)

So one could take these volvo quote figures a step further and say 11.6psi would be 30hp more, 12.6psi would be 45hp etc etc ofcourse, these are crank figures, not WHP.

Ofcourse, this is theorectcal and I doubt it translates to 1PSI extra over stock = 15hp crank.

Plus, anything over 15PSI will cause fuel cut (Standard map) and the 15g will be blowing hot, restricted air.

[Enigma666]

If only things were that simple and linear Bruce lol
Sadly the turbo will go out of its range etc at those sorts of boost too :(

[850twr]

ok, so 19t seems a way forward, but i don't want a huge amount of lag, and to be honest i quite like having low down grunt, in which case would a 18t be better suited? and i also read somewhere that they are a straight swap (downpipe joint wise), or if not would it even be worth going to a 16t from a 15g, or would the difference be too minimal to warrant changing?

as far as i'm aware the RICA 310 is for the 16t, please correct me if i'm wrong, and does anyone know if hamish includes that in his £150 offer?

[Enigma666]

Isn't the 15G angled flange whereas the 19T is straight? Or is that the other way round?
Either way I don't 'think' it's a straight swap on turbo so you need the DP to go with it.

[850twr]

Isn't the 15G angled flange whereas the 19T is straight? Or is that the other way round?
Either way I don't 'think' it's a straight swap on turbo so you need the DP to go with it.

they vary depending on model year, mines got the late flat flange type 15g (from what i can see)

[850twr]

Found some very usefull info....

If you choose to upgrade the turbo (upgraded compressor wheel for the 15G, or using 16T, 18T, or 19T turbos are easiest), then you will potentially be able to yield significant gains in power beyond 17-18 psi. The 15G isn't too efficient even at 16 psi, so even at the same boost levels, you will feel a gain because the air won't be so superheated. However, you won't be able to increase the boost as high on this turbo as with the 15G, because it's actually flowing enough air at those higher boost levels that you'll be needing more fuel in order to make more power (*Bill at Adrenaline Racing recommends upgrading ECU map at any level above 16 psi when using a 19T).
This is the seperating factor for this level, because fuel mods apart from the pre-made performance chips are a consideration. Larger injectors and a rising-rate fuel pressure regulator are options, as well as the possibility of a custom ECU program. Best case scenario would be a custom ECU program used in conjuction with larger injectors.
*Since the time of writing this, it is easier to obtain ECU tuning for higher levels of modification from companies like RICA and IPD/TME, among others. That would be the route I would recommend. Civinco has also proven to be a viable option, depending on the user.

The difference in turbine housings:
There are 3 turbine housing designs (with two variations having been seen internally in the angle-outlet housing, but we will ignore that for now!). Conical outlet flange (94-95 850 turbo, 95 850 T5-R), straight outlet flange (96-97 850 R, T5 and GLT, 98 model S70 R, T5, And GLT), and angled outlet flange (All cars 99+ excluding the newer cars with KKK turbos). User jonsayre has contributed a photograph of all three side-by-side

As you can see, the difference is in outlet size. This has an effect on performance, and all three housings are interchangeable and can be placed on any TD04HL turbo (13G, 13T, 15G, 16T, 18T, 19T, sorry if I forgot anyone!) by removing the center band clamp. Outlet sizes are <2.5" for the conical, >2.5" for the straight, and ~3" for the angled outlet.(SO DOES THIS MEAN YOU CAN ONLY FIT A 3" DOWNPIPE TO THE ANGLED OUTLET TYPE???) They also come with varying wastegate actuators, with the angle-outlet turbos receiving the 300/70 actuator with the strongest spring (straight outlet 16T was 215/60, conical 15G was 150/30, others may vary).

Theres loads more info on the site
http://forums.turbobricks.com/showthread.php?t=10961

they also claim a 15g can yeild upto 300hp.

[Wobbly Dave]

I am running a feritta race cat downpipe on mine with the 19T. With the higher flow rates this is a good idea. I dont think the 15G will flow enough to warrant the extra freedom (and money) the performance DP provides?

[irf]

got your Pm, replied:wink:

arguably(although not in my mind), while the low down torque feels incredible, having a good torque spread up top will make you quicker on the road. as long as you know how to use a gearlever!

the 15G is a decent turbo and you can get good results from it but it wont give you the same pull over 90 that an 18 or 19T can. Also the 18 and 19T aren't really big turbos and any extra lag isn't bad at all.

[850twr]

got your Pm, replied:wink:

arguably(although not in my mind), while the low down torque feels incredible, having a good torque spread up top will make you quicker on the road. as long as you know how to use a gearlever!

the 15G is a decent turbo and you can get good results from it but it wont give you the same pull over 90 that an 18 or 19T can. Also the 18 and 19T aren't really big turbos and any extra lag isn't bad at all.

lol, well i like to think i can use a gear lever :p and i get what ur saying about top end power, especially on a open road, i think i'm swaying towards the compromise of a 18t, and then to save on the wallet fit a 2.5" dp off a later v70 (is it the phase1 s/v70 i assume) then could get the cat chopped out. i think realistically im aiming for a solid 290-300ish wheel horse power as i don't believe anymore than that is worth it in FWD.

[irf]

hardly any difference between the 18 and 19T. same with the 15G and 16T. decat is well worth it. the way the cars been mapped and the way the power comes in will help traction. so would a quaife diff but a bit rich for me.

[lance]

From what I have seen the 15g is quicker than 16t 18t or 19t up the drag strip, however the 19t has got the longest power band so 3rd 4th and 5th gears are awsome, I recon 270-300 WHP is about right for a 19T, mine managed 280 WHP and 430 NM with a 19t stock downpipe and custom map, saying that she was developing stock T5 BHP of around 200 WHP from just 3000 RPM, for me the 19T is a great turbo which I may go down that road on my phase 2 if I dont go for a change sometime soon!
I have seen 15g getting near or around the 300 bhp figure but that was nearly 5 years ago and lets be honest most are past there best now!

[PNuT]

yes the cats still on, altho most of it has broken down, 100kg's makes more difference than you may think, and ontop of that my cars covered less than half the milage than yours as far as im aware, so i'm guessing its seen better days.. i apologise for getting annoyed but i'm being pulled left and right by certain people on here.

so its not a full system & you just type bllx for fun?

100kg tops? so how much lighter is your car? do you know the answer or just making it up?

my cars milage? is this another random guess?

do i weigh twice as much as you as well? is your dad bigger than mine?

[Alan M]

I think Gary (Siamblue) posted some info on weights of his and Engineers S/V70r's a while back and the saloon was only slightly lighter with the V70 being AWD aswell. These weights must be comparible to the 850.

[p fandango]

when i first fitted my 19t i must say i was very disappointed, even with a better manifold & downpipe it was alot laggier than i expected. When you originally floor'd it the 19t would give you just enough power for overtaking but the power would then keep building up, unlike the 15g that gave its all then peaked. After a few more bits & pieces tho it now spools as quick (possibly a bit quicker) than the old 15g used to

[Wobbly Dave]

Yeah but you need the correct software to run it.

[p fandango]

Yeah but you need the correct software to run it.
probably to get the best out of it, i'm running fine on the original Volvo ecu

(here we go again lol)

[Wobbly Dave]

probably to get the best out of it, i'm running fine on the original Volvo ecu

(here we go again lol)
Yep - sure do. Have you fixed your oil leak yet?

I would say that running a bigger turbo on standard software will only give limited results. Hey but what do I know LOL

[p fandango]

Yep - sure do. Have you fixed your oil leak yet?
oh yes, that was fixed when the 19t went on. Think it was just the return seal but can't wait to get back on the strip again


I would say that running a bigger turbo on standard software will only give limited results. Hey but what do I know LOL
it does depend on alot of stuff, as you know i always try to work around the ECU. Because i'm at the stage i need bigger injectors & was hoping to get enough money from the stuff i've sold for the turbo-tuner ECU but that hasn't gone to plan

[850twr]

so its not a full system & you just type bllx for fun?

100kg tops? so how much lighter is your car? do you know the answer or just making it up?

my cars milage? is this another random guess?

do i weigh twice as much as you as well? is your dad bigger than mine?

you where the one that came up with the 100kg figure in the first place! i have looked through the owners manual with no luck, will look at the stamp under the bonnet later, but i read on here full leather elec seats weigh 37kg's each on there own!! doesn't take Einstein to realise theres going to be a difference.

i was referring to irf's millage, but seems i'v got that confused with another black estate on here that has 171k. And either way that would be a fair assumption as since owning my car i have not seen one 850 for sale with anything near 80k. and i spent a year trying to find that!

as for the exhaust, ALOT of people regard a cat back as a full system, i can appreciate you view that i dont have a aftermarket dp yet, but to me its a way of saying i have more than a can strapped on the back. just to keep you happy i won't mention the word "full" again :p

as for you weighing twice as much as me, well that just depends how fat you are.

p.s. i wasn't aware of the awesome spec of irf's car, yet even so did a 60-100 test (private road of course) took 7.5 seconds, which confirms what i was arguing earlier in this thread. and only half a second off irfs times. which im very happy with to say the least.

oh and my dads 6"4, so most likely.

[smithy]

with all these cars being modded it should be good drag racing and track racing this year if weather permits but i hope you are all going to wait for me with my slow 940 saloon haha arrrrrr

[850twr]

ok just checked on carfolio.com

4dr=1450kg
5dr=1545kg

but that doesn't go into interior specs, so i guess from one extreme to the other, the difference would be more.

don't get me wrong i have massive respect for all t5's, estate or not, just so long as there manual!

http://www.carfolio.com/search/results/?terms=volvo+850&x=0&y=0

and yes smithy i can't wait to be back at brands this year, just gotta a few more mods to finish off.

[smithy]

personnelly i would just port a 16t and get a decent map on it instead of going for a 19t because you wont get the full potental with the standard rods and if you do change the rods then go for a hybrid garret turbo even more fun

[PNuT]

you where the one that came up with the 100kg figure in the first place! i have looked through the owners manual with no luck, will look at the stamp under the bonnet later, but i read on here full leather elec seats weigh 37kg's each on there own!! doesn't take Einstein to realise theres going to be a difference.

i was referring to irf's millage, but seems i'v got that confused with another black estate on here that has 171k. And either way that would be a fair assumption as since owning my car i have not seen one 850 for sale with anything near 80k. and i spent a year trying to find that!

as for the exhaust, ALOT of people regard a cat back as a full system, i can appreciate you view that i dont have a aftermarket dp yet, but to me its a way of saying i have more than a can strapped on the back. just to keep you happy i won't mention the word "full" again :p

as for you weighing twice as much as me, well that just depends how fat you are.

p.s. i wasn't aware of the awesome spec of irf's car, yet even so did a 60-100 test (private road of course) took 7.5 seconds, which confirms what i was arguing earlier in this thread. and only half a second off irfs times. which im very happy with to say the least.

oh and my dads 6"4, so most likely.

more figures that are unconfirmed..... whilst i agree i have read in russ's thread the seats weigh 37kg but he doesnt mention the weight of the non leather seats that i have fitted to my car....

around 9.5% body fat

is that 6' 4" in heels?

[PNuT]

ok just checked on carfolio.com

4dr=1450kg
5dr=1545kg

but that doesn't go into interior specs, so i guess from one extreme to the other, the difference would be more.

don't get me wrong i have massive respect for all t5's, estate or not, just so long as there manual!

http://www.carfolio.com/search/results/?terms=volvo+850&x=0&y=0

and yes smithy i can't wait to be back at brands this year, just gotta a few more mods to finish off.

850 Minimum Kerb Weight Range KG 85% Towing Limit KG Max Ball Weight KG
2.5 saloon 1363/1511 1158/1284 70
2.5 Estate 1412/1567 1200/1332 70

[850twr]

more figures that are unconfirmed..... whilst i agree i have read in russ's thread the seats weigh 37kg but he doesnt mention the weight of the non leather seats that i have fitted to my car....

around 9.5% body fat

is that 6' 4" in heels?
no my 60-100 time is comfirmed, irf has seen the vid, just i'm not posting it on here to save upsetting certain people.

if your seats are still electric, cloth or leather i guess would make next to no difference. all i have said is that a saloon with less toys init is going to be lighter than a loaded estate, simple as that.

and maybe you should try asking my dad that in person? lmao.

[PNuT]

noif your seats are still electric, cloth or leather i guess would make next to no difference. all i have said is that a saloon with less toys init is going to be lighter than a loaded estate, simple as that.

and maybe you should try asking my dad that in person? lmao.

no they aint electric or heated.....

you were busy telling us how much better a budget version was..... imho with the amount of torque these cars have a few kilos either way aint gunna make much difference.....

15psi on an mbc is a little lightweight ;) but hey ho what ever floats your boat big boy ;)

[redbaron]

rofl @ this thread,its a semi banter semi turbo information thread,love it,in relation to p fandango's post on page 3 [ beside keeley] im getting a jt 3inch system for the car,injectors i can get,what sort of prices are the manifolds (could they be got from a breaker?) and a remap i can get but it'll be a send the ecu to england style job

been reading this guys article,might turn the boost up myself once a boost gauge arrives,after all if im putting a bloody 19t i might as well get the roads and pistons used to more boost

[850twr]

no they aint electric or heated.....

you were busy telling us how much better a budget version was..... imho with the amount of torque these cars have a few kilos either way aint gunna make much difference.....

15psi on an mbc is a little lightweight ;) but hey ho what ever floats your boat big boy ;)

lmao, i never said a budget version is better, i will say it again ... all i said was A LOWER SPEC SALOON IS LIGHTER THAN A LOADED ESTATE, or even regardless of spec as per the figures i posted prove, you like twisting things don't you? other people on here do have the ability to read, so you may want to quit while your not too far behind :P

my cars 60-100 time is only marginally off what i regard as a decently tuned T5 (irf for example, the difference being less than a second) altho for sure 100mph+ acceleration would split the cars into their own leagues respectively. and considering i have only had the car for a few months i think its at a fairly respectable level. and yes as it goes it does float my boat :p

so whats the 60-100 time of your supposed "non lightweight" T5, n whats your spec bud?

[irf]

7.5??? i thought i was between 6.5 and 7:comp::bricks: lol

gonna have to show the clip now! vid is very blurry and was done in the isle of man i think:B_censore

what does everyone else think?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=n6MTXMTCUH8

[850twr]

yeh mine is 7.5ish mate, here's part of the pm i sent you yesterday irf "only managed to get one run in, i think i jinxed myself by saying i can control a gear lever earlier, i missed the shift from 3rd to 4th! rofl, and as u'll see had traction probs at the top end of 2nd, but still seems to be around 7.5-8 seconds"

from my timing yours does seem to be in the mid-high 6's

so that does give you around a second on me.

while your doing it i may aswell join in, heres mine... (private road of course)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bO-0xy76NQY

[volvokid]

If you doing a 60-100 run I would have thought you would have started at 60 not 45 and 50mph cuz your eliminating all turbo lag that you may have. And look at those black ice lights tut tut lol

[irf]

If you doing a 60-100 run I would have thought you would have started at 60 not 45 and 50mph cuz your eliminating all turbo lag that you may have. And look at those black ice lights tut tut lol

i see your point. only reason i do it like this is i can try and compare my car to others in magazines. i have an idea of my 0-60 so just carrying that on to 100 gives me a 0-100 time otherwise i would have started the run in third to avoid a gearchange at about the 62mph mark.

just some harmless geeky fun.

[volvokid]

I'm not knocking the geeky fun IRF i love it. So what would your 0-100 mph be then?

[irf]

I'm not knocking the geeky fun IRF i love it. So what would your 0-100 mph be then?

probably around the 12-13 second mark but it's the 0-30 that lets us down in these cars(being front wheel drive with a lot of torque)

i've had a few runs now with an evo 8 FQ330(totally standard at the moment) and a Z3M coupe(intake and exhaust mods) and from 50 to 130(km/h obviously) there was nothing in it. they've gone against each other and it was the same.

i'm more then happy with that.

[volvokid]

probably around the 12-13 second mark but it's the 0-30 that lets us down in these cars(being front wheel drive with a lot of torque)

i've had a few runs now with an evo 8 FQ330(totally standard at the moment) and a Z3M coupe(intake and exhaust mods) and from 50 to 130(km/h obviously) there was nothing in it. they've gone against each other and it was the same.

i'm more then happy with that.

Wow thats fast i can only dream of those results with this dam auto box!!!

[PNuT]

lmao, i never said a budget version is better, i will say it again ... all i said was A LOWER SPEC SALOON IS LIGHTER THAN A LOADED ESTATE, or even regardless of spec as per the figures i posted prove, you like twisting things don't you? other people on here do have the ability to read, so you may want to quit while your not too far behind :P



so the weight advantage to your loaded family wagon is going to be noticeable to say the least.


so for people like me who cant read properly can you just clarify what you mean by noticeable?

IMHO 100kg's makes very little difference to these cars....



so whats the 60-100 time of your supposed "non lightweight" T5, n whats your spec bud?

who cares ;)

[LesRED850R]

thats a pretty good price really considering what you'll be getting,right im gonna ask my stupid question again,what turbo does a 1997 850 2.3 t5 have?i want to find out so i can gauge what the next size to upgrade to is
GDay ! PLEASE excuse my diversion from your Q but all will be revealed in the end !! This linky I have posted b4 and ask [ Again ] that the owners of this site put some PINNED threads that give 'essential information ' to members so not only new OVLOV owners can use , but we all can use as a reference library . Sure its nice to talk and interact and banter when a Q is asked , but in most cases the Q has been asked and answered ' A LOT ' in the past and much conflicting info is thrown around and invariably a stoush occurs that is fun for some but the Q asker is left thinking the forum is a ' crock ' .... SOOO , I will start with this great post from over at VS in USA.... LINKY http://volvospeed.com/vs_forum/index.php?showtopic=86240

[LesRED850R]

I've had some performance issues lately - which I am glad to say have been resolved. HLM had my car back for 4 weeks. There were many issues - MAF, Injectors, new wishbone and a new custom map - guess it goes along with the age and use of my car. I also found out the root cause of my ABS problem. Last time out on the track I managed to split the speed ring on the end of the short half shaft (due to heat expansion).

Anyway I have thrown a whole bunch of cash at it and she runs a solid 400Nm through most of the range. Pressure is running 1.2 Bar (and stays there in 3rd and 4th) and she carries the power very nicely through to 6000rpm. I'd say that she really charges in 3rd and 4th, when the full boost is available. It is difficult to say how quickly she would get to top speeds without a runway to test it on. BTW I run new blue injectors.

I am not sure I will do anymore track days now. She's getting on abit (112K miles). 65K miles on a tuned car - things do wear out more quickly.

I shall keep her going for as long as poss.
Thanks for an intelligent post that has reasonable facts and not what members think they know and tell stories to others that NEED facts to make a [$$] decision but are led astray with spurious crap and you too me too , i did , no mines better.......PLEASE put a pinned post for basic upgrades and mods up in the forum....

[850twr]

so for people like me who cant read properly can you just clarify what you mean by noticeable?

IMHO 100kg's makes very little difference to these cars....


"so whats the 60-100 time of your supposed "non lightweight" T5, n whats your spec bud?"

who cares ;)

your right in the sense that yes these cars are very torquey, and by saying "the extra weight in a estate would be noticeable", i mean exactly that?!? i honestly can't believe your still arguing this, but i mean come on, its common sense surely?!?
(when my fat b*st*rd of a mate gets in i notice the difference, and he's not even 100kg's!)-lol hope he don't read that, or i'll get sat on :s

I'm finished with arguing about this, its just to blatant for me to continue bothering, did you not do physics???

one last thing, you moan that i have no proof to back up my cars performance times, of which i have now proved to you, you then proceed to call my car lightweight, then when i ask you of your specs you claim you don't care? so why so bothered about mine?

edit...

LMAO, just realised yours is a ph1 v70, which according to carfolio is 1680kg's! even more of a difference!

(230kg's from their figures)

http://carfolio.com/search/results/?terms=v70&x=0&y=0

Rinsed.

Anyway getting back on topic nice comparison for peeps between a 15g and a 18t in those vids.

[redbaron]

@les muc appreciated sir,was reading the posts there and thought,my question isnt gonna be answered,

[PNuT]

your right in the sense that yes these cars are very torquey, and by saying "the extra weight in a estate would be noticeable", i mean exactly that?!? i honestly can't believe your still arguing this, but i mean come on, its common sense surely?!?
(when my fat b*st*rd of a mate gets in i notice the difference, and he's not even 100kg's!)-lol hope he don't read that, or i'll get sat on :s

I'm finished with arguing about this, its just to blatant for me to continue bothering, did you not do physics???

one last thing, you moan that i have no proof to back up my cars performance times, of which i have now proved to you, you then proceed to call my car lightweight, then when i ask you of your specs you claim you don't care? so why so bothered about mine?

edit...

LMAO, just realised yours is a ph1 v70, which according to carfolio is 1680kg's! even more of a difference!

(230kg's from their figures)

http://carfolio.com/search/results/?terms=v70&x=0&y=0

Rinsed.

Anyway getting back on topic nice comparison for peeps between a 15g and a 18t in those vids.


if its on carfolio it must be true

http://www.cuddles.abelgratis.net/volvo.htm#s7000

maybe the figures here are a little more realistic