Forged Pistons

[handyandyrta]

I recently purchased a 1994 850 t5 (been after one for years) but the small end bearings have started to rattle :icon_soap , so I'm having to strip the engine out and would really like to get hold of a set of forged pistons for it. I would welcome anyone who knows where I can get a set from to let me know because I've tried and tried with no joy. My baby has been off the road for 6 months now and I would really like to get her racing again before christmas :B_steerin . Might put pics on of the car at later date. Cheers guys and gals

[thunderace]

hello and :welcome:

sorry can't help you with pistons but wish you good luck

six months is a hell of a long time :)

[RT MECHANICS]

Hi we can help you with pistons/rods/cams etc if needed

Russ

[handyandyrta]

Hi Russ

You star. What sort of price will I be looking at for full set (pistons,rods etc) to get the rebuild underway and get her racing again.

Andy

[RT MECHANICS]

Hi it really depends what sort of plans you have for your car do you want to go for a standard engine spec build or stronger spec for future upgrades ?

Russ:)

[BlackBeast]

Give SWAutos a call, aswell as do some research over on VolvoSpeed.

[handyandyrta]

I would like to go for stronger spec because my aim with the car is to try and top 450bhp if that can be done. I know that I can get up to 375 off standard pistons but I want to be able to take it further than that if I choose to. Plus I've got to keep ahead of my cusian who runs a 350bhp nissan 200sx.

[Al115]

Yeah, you could speak to SW Autos, they're doing exactly that to my car at the moment...

[adriancole]

Yeah, you could speak to SW Autos, they're doing exactly that to my car at the moment...
Saw your car in the air today at SW Autos....

[RT MECHANICS]

I would like to go for stronger spec because my aim with the car is to try and top 450bhp if that can be done. I know that I can get up to 375 off standard pistons but I want to be able to take it further than that if I choose to. Plus I've got to keep ahead of my cusian who runs a 350bhp nissan 200sx.


Hi Andy

Basically you can go as far as you like but its not cheap as you probably no to do it properly and make proven power figures.

You will need to think about running a stand alone ecu as we have on our own demo car (Autronic) which is the first uk 850 to have it.

Of course building a big horse power engine is only half of the story don't forget suspension/brakes etc need to be upgraded in a big way to handle the power corrrectly.

Russ

[handyandyrta]

hi russ

I am doing all sorts t the car but my priority is to get it going again so that I can move it out of the workshop, with out having to rebuild again next year. my plan is to uprate the pistons, rods etc, then around about march next year I was planning to take the car to chip tuning at birmingham and let them re map the ecu for me. They claim that with the remap they do there will be no need for a stand alone ecu.

Andy

[volvotuning]

hi russ

I am doing all sorts t the car but my priority is to get it going again so that I can move it out of the workshop, with out having to rebuild again next year. my plan is to uprate the pistons, rods etc, then around about march next year I was planning to take the car to chip tuning at birmingham and let them re map the ecu for me. They claim that with the remap they do there will be no need for a stand alone ecu.

Andy

Yes, for practically all applications, the standard ECU will do just fine as it controls everything. So, as long as you are still running 5 cylinders, 5 injectors, 5 spark plugs, and 1 turbo, then remapping the ECU is all you need to control these correctly.

Adam.

[Transient]

Hi Andy,
I have a source for very high spec JE pistons and carilo rods. I have just put some in move with and r60 exhaust manifold, RC 750cc injectors, Walbro 255 pump, 3.5" straight through exhaust, Holset HX 40 super w turbo, 2.2 bar boost, all top side ported and flowed. Aquamist kit. Custom intercooler, remaped and boost controler. Custom drive shafts. custom diff and lsd. Oil and transmision cooler. Have got it to 540 WHP and they can go a lot more. Let me know if you need to get pistons and rods. The guys that have done mine are excelent and do a lot for F1.

Tim

[handyandyrta]

Hey Adam

Don't suppose you guys do any upgraded pistons etc do you, I am shopping around for the best deal I can get on some!!!

Andy

[volvotuning]

Hey Adam

Don't suppose you guys do any upgraded pistons etc do you, I am shopping around for the best deal I can get on some!!!

Andy

Yes. I'll have send you a PM tomorrow with the prices.

Adam.

[Engineer]

Hi Andy,
I have a source for very high spec JE pistons and carilo rods. I have just put some in move with and r60 exhaust manifold, RC 750cc injectors, Walbro 255 pump, 3.5" straight through exhaust, Holset HX 40 super w turbo, 2.2 bar boost, all top side ported and flowed. Aquamist kit. Custom intercooler, remaped and boost controler. Custom drive shafts. custom diff and lsd. Oil and transmision cooler. Have got it to 540 WHP and they can go a lot more. Let me know if you need to get pistons and rods. The guys that have done mine are excelent and do a lot for F1.

Tim

C rods are lovely, but how much for the lot then? :)

[Transient]

C rods are lovely, but how much for the lot then? :)

Do you mean how much would JE pistons and Carilo rods or how much have I put into mine?

Tim

[handyandyrta]

Yes. I'll have send you a PM tomorrow with the prices.

Adam.
That'd be great if you would

Cheers

Andy

[handyandyrta]

Hi Andy,
I have a source for very high spec JE pistons and carilo rods. I have just put some in move with and r60 exhaust manifold, RC 750cc injectors, Walbro 255 pump, 3.5" straight through exhaust, Holset HX 40 super w turbo, 2.2 bar boost, all top side ported and flowed. Aquamist kit. Custom intercooler, remaped and boost controler. Custom drive shafts. custom diff and lsd. Oil and transmision cooler. Have got it to 540 WHP and they can go a lot more. Let me know if you need to get pistons and rods. The guys that have done mine are excelent and do a lot for F1.

Tim
Hi Tim

How much did the pistons, rods etc set you back?

Andy

[Transient]

Hi Tim

How much did the pistons, rods etc set you back?

Andy

About £1500 however i did go for the very top spec I could afford. They have less expensive solutions. The company that made the pistons was Perfect Bore (same group as JE and Carilo) and they were supplied by Absolute Motors Sweden.

[Transient]

Oops make that Ultra Motors ...... It's been a long day. Their site is www.ultramotors.se you need to ask for Tomas the MD

[RT MECHANICS]

Hi Andy,
I have a source for very high spec JE pistons and carilo rods. I have just put some in move with and r60 exhaust manifold, RC 750cc injectors, Walbro 255 pump, 3.5" straight through exhaust, Holset HX 40 super w turbo, 2.2 bar boost, all top side ported and flowed. Aquamist kit. Custom intercooler, remaped and boost controler. Custom drive shafts. custom diff and lsd. Oil and transmision cooler. Have got it to 540 WHP and they can go a lot more. Let me know if you need to get pistons and rods. The guys that have done mine are excelent and do a lot for F1.

Tim

Hi Tim do you have a dyno graph for this engine what torque did it make ?
What is the max power level are the rods are made for ?

Russ

[GregE102]

Hi

If you want to put that much power through you car you need to do some serious handeling mods and structual mods, I can't belive you have all gone mad making surgestions of where to get parts from with out giving out tips on safety, except RT Mechanics who quoted,
"building a big horse power engine is only half of the story don't forget suspension/brakes etc need to be upgraded in a big way to handle the power corrrectly."
Well done Russ.

VT
I am not impressed that you did not mention safety or even give out advise, is not the most important thing the safety of your members and customers? you just seem bulldoze your way through this site with out hardly ever a mention of it.
don't get me wrong we all love to go fast very fast in fact.
SO May be we should check out somthing called the Darwin Awards in the USA, its an award for the most stuid death.
Its a good reminder of what not to do!
A man walked in to an army surplus store, Brought 2 solid boster rockets from a Galaxy cargo plain, "these are used for 45 seconds to get a plane of the ground when its got tanks and so on in it".each one provides 70000lbs of thrust.
He then welded them to his car and strenthed them. he then found a straight road and of he weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeent.
They recon after he pased 300 mph the tyers melted and when he came to a small 5 degre bend!, he went straight across the desert for 6 miles at which point the car meet hill and just ploughed into it at over 450 mph, and remember he had no wheels!

So the moral of this story is safety first

Greg

[volvotuning]

Hi

If you want to put that much power through you car you need to do some serious handeling mods and structual mods, I can't belive you have all gone mad making surgestions of where to get parts from with out giving out tips on safety, except RT Mechanics who quoted,
"building a big horse power engine is only half of the story don't forget suspension/brakes etc need to be upgraded in a big way to handle the power corrrectly."
Well done Russ.

VT
I am not impressed that you did not mention safety or even give out advise, is not the most important thing the safety of your members and customers? you just seem bulldoze your way through this site with out hardly ever a mention of it.
don't get me wrong we all love to go fast very fast in fact.
SO May be we should check out somthing called the Darwin Awards in the USA, its an award for the most stuid death.
Its a good reminder of what not to do!
A man walked in to an army surplus store, Brought 2 solid boster rockets from a Galaxy cargo plain, "these are used for 45 seconds to get a plane of the ground when its got tanks and so on in it".each one provides 70000lbs of thrust.
He then welded them to his car and strenthed them. he then found a straight road and of he weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeent.
They recon after he pased 300 mph the tyers melted and when he came to a small 5 degre bend!, he went straight across the desert for 6 miles at which point the car meet hill and just ploughed into it at over 450 mph, and remember he had no wheels!

So the moral of this story is safety first

Greg

Greg,

What you have to remember is that there is a certain amount of driver responsibility that comes with tuning a car. In fact, we have customers who have upgraded the brakes and suspension on their cars and still nearly killed themselves through exceeding the limits of their cars and their driving talent.

It's the person behind the wheel that is ultimately responsible for how the car behaves on the road. We do advise when asked, but we are not going to tell our customers that they should not tune their cars without upgrading the suspension and brakes first. If the suspension and brakes are so bad that they are a safety issue, they should be changed even when the car is standard.

Adam.

[GregE102]

Hi Adam

I Was not having a go at you or vt personaly but, was just making my piont that people should mention safety a bit more just like Russ from RT Mechanics did very early on, and it was posted as just in passing, not saying what to do or how to do it.
Do you not think that its a good thing?

You will have to forgive me where it comes to writing, as i am dislexic and strugle to find the right words to say let alone spell them, which brings me to my next piont, can you fit this site with a spell check?

Kind Regards
Greg

[Mrsmopp]

VT
I am not impressed that you did not mention safety or even give out advise, is not the most important thing the safety of your members and customers? you just seem bulldoze your way through this site with out hardly ever a mention of it.


Greg





I Was not having a go at you or vt personaly but,
Greg

Really? You weren't having a go?? I beg t differ!! Ultimately it is the responsibility of the owner of the vehicle to make sure their car is "safe". The tuners/suppliers do the job they are asked to do by the client, where necessary they offer advice on "safety" but it is not their responsibilty to make sure their customer's cars are up to their own standards.

With reference to them "bulldozing their way through this forum" I think you will find that they offer this forum good, honest, sound advice free of charge, they dedicate their time to helping our members where-ever possible and they offer us, and us alone, some excellent discounts and offers which benefit our members. That, is NOT "bulldozing" that's supporting!!

You were out of order

x

[GregE102]

Miss Mop

Did you not read my appoligy, and that i sufer from dislexia and find it very hard to write things, So there for they dont always come out the way they are ment to sound very oftern when other people read them.
so please dont have a pop at me like that, i found your post very rood towards me, if you read all of mine you would have seen it was a round about way in getting to a short story which was very funny and a well done for some one mentioning safety on the site, sorry if it offended you.
And why have a pop like that and try to belittle me I think this site is excellant for advise and chating i allready appoligesed personaly to vt and they said no need. very polite in fact!

Once again i appolagise to anyone who my be offended by what i wrote

Greg

[Justin]

No worries Greg, i think there are some crossed wires somewhere :)

[GregE102]

Thanks for that bit of suport there Justin I felt like i was being hunted for a minuet.
Just can't figure out why miss mop would get the arse with me so bad?

Regards
Greg

[Al115]

Come on - no-one is being hunted. Let this one die and get back on topic guys.

[handyandyrta]

Sorry guys, only been on site for a few days and I'm already sparking off heated arguments.

Maybe It would have been better if I had said things differently, my reason for wanting to do pistons etc first is so I can move the car in and out of the workshop when I need to because it is taking up space that I need for my business. Then when I next get a slow period where I'm not working I will do the next stage of the work, which will be the brakes and suspension and work will go on until everything that needs upgrading has been done, only then will I look to get the final tune up done.

I am doing all the work myself but I'm not a mechanic and there will be certain aspects that will have to be done buy a proffessional.

I would like to have evrything done by march next year, so I can get it tuned and iron out any problems before I kick my cusains ass on the track day.

I would like to thank everyone for their advice and help with this matter.

Andy

[RT MECHANICS]

Hi Andy sorry for all the questions i made i was just interested in what you plan to do long term with the car.
I am working out a price of pistons and rods for you they will be to our own spec and not of the shelf items.

Russ

[Transient]

Hi Tim do you have a dyno graph for this engine what torque did it make ?
What is the max power level are the rods are made for ?

Russ

I will be posting a Dyno and torque report as soon as all the tuning is complete. Iain Graham @ Perfect bore assures me that their Carilo rods are built for 700 + hp

[handyandyrta]

Cheers Russ, appreciate it your help mate :Handshake

Andy

[Transient]

Guys remember there is a huge difference between BHP and WHP. U have to make sure the guys doing your dyno can take all "factors" into account

[babydave]

Hi There Seen Your Message And If You Give This Lad A Ring At Pbpmotorsport On 01745 591351 And Ask For Paul Jones As He Can Get Hold Of Things Like That.
Good Luck
Dave