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MarkGolf
Sunday 3rd April 2005, 22:52
The gearbox gave way tonight..
Did an oil change as the other night it was just giving up now and again

Took it out tonight after the change and after about 15 mins of tame driving, it just woudn't go!
I had to stop every 20 seconds, let it cool down then go again.. Sometime i have to rev the nuts off the car and then it'll just move along really lumpy!

This has pissed me off sooo much!!!
Think im just going to sell the car with the faulty box as I just cannot be arsed with it! God knows ho much its guna cost, shudda bought the manual I wanted in the first place! :splat: :grumpy:

MarkGolf
Sunday 3rd April 2005, 23:10
Also, sometimes going from Park to Reverse, its really stiff..

The ither night, going from Neutral to Drive, it just wudn't go, I thought it was an electronic prob, but I now think its defo a mechanical failure! ****ED BOX!

Wobbly Dave
Sunday 3rd April 2005, 23:21
I am sorry to here this mate. I know this pain all to well. My AT box went south at 146K. It is entirely up to you but I am happy to sort out the repair with my local AT specialist if you want? Be warned - you will get very little back on a car with a busted AT. Manual boxes also go to BTW, so don't feel cursed by your own choice. I know how long you looked for a T5 at the right price. Alas Hindsight is always 20 x 20. You are not the first to have the box go on you and certainly not the last. I really do feel for you.

BTW £1200 is the cost a recon @ J Raule AT specialist in Birmingham. You will be able to buy a 2nd hand box for less but it will still take at least £200 for a mechanic to fit it.

I feel that the only other alternative to make money is to break the car for bits.

MarkGolf
Sunday 3rd April 2005, 23:23
£1200!!
This is gonna **** me over sooo bad!!!
Burn the ****er and claim on it!

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Guna effect my work, social everythign!!
The enigne in my golf is now IN my garage so can't even use that!

cant believe this!!

Wobbly Dave
Sunday 3rd April 2005, 23:36
Sadly most organisations will quote closer to £2k for an AT box recon. 1200 is comparitively cheap. There is no 2 ways about it - AT repairs are LARGE.

Justin
Monday 4th April 2005, 00:35
Hate to say it mate, but you were warned....and offered a car that wouldnt of had this issue....

I still feel for you though, i remember Daves face when his went....I would go for a second hand box from salvo and be done :(

Bracer
Monday 4th April 2005, 10:11
Tis very bad luck mate :pants:

mikey
Monday 4th April 2005, 10:47
mark there's a t5R gearbox on ebay at the moment if it's of any help the number is 4539581404 it's on £100 with the reserve not met,sorry don't know how to do the link thing,lol.i got a gearbox off ebay the other day for my 850R for £212 plus £45 carriage out of an s70R just waiting for delivery.the only other alternative is a crashed 850R i'm waiting to clear through insurance and to see what the bloke wants for it ,thats got an auto box in it
hope it's of some help on this overcast day
mikey

MarkGolf
Monday 4th April 2005, 14:50
Does it defo sound like a dead box??
Few people have said I cud have not put enough oil in, but i swear I did, or it cud have been overfilled, but i pretty much thik it is dead...

I've been offered a box with 70k box for £375 + 40 shipping.. so may go for that, will defo keep an eye on the ebay ones, will check them out in a min..
Im quessing they are the same as a normal T5 box with winter, sport and economy mode...
I've got my neightbour who can fit the box for £100 in his garage so pretty chuffed about that, but im thinking, get the box in teh car and sell it on, as once something lile this happens, i loose faith sadly, but we'll see...
thanks for help, any further help and advice is always welcome, please keep eyes peeled for Auto boxs!

thanks

MarkGolf
Monday 4th April 2005, 14:52
doh, the ebay box is a man, defo let me know about this crashed R you may be getting!
tyhanks

Wobbly Dave
Monday 4th April 2005, 14:56
The box label is ontop of the box close to the junction with the block. It should say some thing like AW 50 42. If you are disheartened with the car then you will need to repair it before selling it. I assume you checked the levels on the yellow AT dipstick?

mikey
Monday 4th April 2005, 15:38
sorry mark forgot you were on an auto box,you could try this one i found and ask seller if he's got an auto box.ebay again number4539105655 i'll keep asking for you
cheers mikey!!

MarkGolf
Monday 4th April 2005, 18:38
Talked to a few people now, and the ideas i've got back are fluid leavel (did check as book said) and the torque converter..

Here's what happens (Haven't tried today, but this is what happened last ngiht)

Went out for a drive, worked PERFECT for 20 mins...
stopped at the lights, went to move off, but it just slowly pulled away, as if it was in the winter mode...

pulled over, managed to do a u turn and it pulled a tad, then stopped.. So turned car off, let it settled, then managed to pull away in what was like the winter mode, but again it just dind't wanna drive... had this situation for 20 mins til i limped it home..

well, i found that if u just rev the car, it wud sometimes pick up and move.. but not very quick...

Oil levels before the run were as they shud be, or so I think... followed the book, followed it and gave me the results i wanted...

soo. ho hum!

Cud it be the torque convertor, lack of fluid, too much fluid??

S60T5
Monday 4th April 2005, 20:15
Hello Mark.

I have a complete Auto transmission.
I´ve just changed my auto for a manual. There was no problem with my auto. Why I changed was because I´ll need the manual when going over 450 bhp...

My car is a -95 850 Turbo With the AW 50-42

You can buy my auto gearbox, of course everything included. Even my ecu and my auto Ecu if you want that too... (I need new ones for my manual)
Yes I forgot, I can also do the change for £110, no prob.
Drop me a mail we might be able to solve it.

Cheers / Peter Larsson
Tel. +46734 100 834
E-mail s60t5r@hotmail.com

MarkGolf
Monday 4th April 2005, 20:45
Hi Pete, Ill drop you a mail, but hoping I do not need a box now.. Are you in the U.K?

Well, just came back from work and had a look over the car with and a local Swedish car breaker had a look over the car.. Well, he saw straight away the dipstick was the wrong one... He ran back to his garage and he found a disstick from an old T5 he broke..
We then saw the fluid level was above what it should be!
So fluid was drained a bit, and I've just been out for a drive, 40 mins in duration, ranging from going up steep hills, town driving, a sprint (with mates RX7...lol) up to 80 mph and then a cruise back home.. Working 110%!! Well, got to my road and then it happened, it lost drive! So pulled over, turned the car off, 3 mins later turned back on and got the car home....

Checked the dipstick and oil is over the HOT max mark, but very thin.. So gussing it is still over filled..

My theory is, when the car is hot and the oil has expanded, its just not letting the gears or whatever operate properly, so letting it cool down, and will drain a tad more oil out and pray for the best!

Could the oil be causing the prob?
Surely if the box was actually knackered, it would not let me use the car at all! But the fact it actually operates as it should just says its something silly, like the oil level, or a sensor or something! The light on the dash does not even come on!

Answers on a postcard please!

Wobbly Dave
Monday 4th April 2005, 22:39
What ATF did you put in?

MarkGolf
Monday 4th April 2005, 22:50
Hi..

I used Comma/castrol dextron 3

I had the car on a flat surface and up on axle stands from the gearbox side, undone the drain plug and drained the fluid out, flushed it with some of the new stuff..

Today when I drained it, the fluid appeared to be a tad brown, like it had mixed with the old fluid abit.. So I dont think I managed to flush it all out properly, but then I dont expect to have full cleaned out the internals..

Its still a tad on the high side, so going to get the oil level correct tomorrow and properly do another fluid change on the weekend! The fluid was definetly overfilled due to the dodgy dipstick and now im thinking all the previous fluid wasn't drained, because i did measure out 7.6 liters

MarkGolf
Monday 4th April 2005, 23:30
I AM A PRAT!
I've just read your threaad about the Auto Transmission and I never undone the outbound oil cooler pipe to drip more oil out, no wonder both have mixed a bit..
Im going to totally redo the fluid change and do it properly tomorrow..

What are your thoughts on the prob so far? Could it be due to being overfilled?
Surely if it were broken, it wouldn't drive, but it drove like a dream today, felt alot smoother prior to oil change..

I also went from 5/30 engine oil to 10/40.. Engine sounds more tappety, but was assured on here its the best oil for how I use the car..

Wobbly Dave
Monday 4th April 2005, 23:45
Picture you see is Andrew Cardwell's AT box after I fitted the new pipework. You will have a line that comes out of the bottom of the cooler (where you see the new braised pipe) and attaches to the 12mm olive, on top of the box.
Undo the nut on the olive as I said in the other thread.

It is hard to tell about the changed fluid. The clutches could still be worn or broken to some entent. When my box let go - and it let go properly - I was getting loads of high rev style slippage. Eventually she had no drive in D at all. I let it cool down and 20 mins later managed to get a further 3 miles. Not fun breaking down at one of the biggest junctions in Brum at the head of the queue, on the traffic lights I tell you. Orange Arrow was flashing on the dash

I got a tow home from one of the lads on the forum. I changed the ATF the following day. It came out black as night and was very badly smelling of burnt caramel. The car became driveable again after the change. But the fluid was getting darker by the day.
It does sound possible that your TC or clutch pack is damaged. Without taking it apart it is very hard to say for certain. I say go with another change. Use as much fluid as necessary to ensure that it is properly flushed. Use a flushing compound if you need to. Then keep an eye on the levels and the colour.

Good luck.

MarkGolf
Tuesday 5th April 2005, 00:13
Thanks for all your help buddy!
I know a few weeks ago, I was out abusing the car, just running up and down a local by-pass "drag strip" and I don;t know if I can partly blame old ££££e old, which was also possibly over filled, but I managed to get the gearbox warning light to come on and noticed that once the gears slipped at very high revs.. it actually hit the limiter I think adn slipped back, then up again.. this is when the light came on... Was the first time I really ever floored the car all the way from 20 - 110mph and I thought this was just something the car does.. Its not happened again even on a few motorway overtaking sprints, i think if it does, i'll know its on the way out and best get shot of the car..
So tomorrow im going to do another oil change and drain the cooler, and put in a full 7.6 liters... (I think thats what the book says, including the cooler) and fingers crossed it'll go for over an hour..

I just can't figure out whats up with it, to be so on and off is strane and its definetly got to be something with how hot its getting..

Wobbly Dave
Tuesday 5th April 2005, 00:49
I would say buy my additional tranny cooler but it seems unfair to advise you of this unless you either reconing the box (which maybe unncesessary) or that you were running extra power. Until a clear determination is made I am here to help in anyway I can.

http://www.volvot5.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=249

MarkGolf
Tuesday 5th April 2005, 18:16
I could possibly be interested in teh cooler for peace of mind..

After speaking to an Auto transmission specialist, they have said it sounds like the gearbox ECU is on the way out..

Basically, for the box to act TOTALLY normal no matter the driving style and then after 40 mins it to go funny says that its not the box mechanics that are the porb..
He said he recently had a car (a volvo?) with similar symptons and it was a case of a new/reset ECU, depending what can be done to it...
Its going on a local garage's diagnostic machine tomorrow morning, so should find out for defo tomorrow!

Does the box have a seperate ECU? Or is it part of the main one and where it is?

Thanks

Mrsmopp
Tuesday 5th April 2005, 18:50
Yes the box has a seperate ECU - if its definately the ECU that is the problem call Salvo and I'm sure they will be able to sort you out!

Good luck!

x

MarkGolf
Tuesday 5th April 2005, 20:33
Just drained more fluid to bring it to perfect level..
Fluid is looking a bit brown, so has mixed with the old fluid..
Well, I mahaged a 40 min/23 mile drive again just now, and i stopped at some lights, went to pull away and it pulled away very lumpy, then carried on.. then turned a corner and just wouldn't drive.., stopped for 2 mins and got it home!

WHAT THE HELL IS THE PROBLEM???

Cud it be the ££££e mixed oil causing probs?

ahh!

Wobbly Dave
Tuesday 5th April 2005, 23:22
If the fluid is turning worse all the time - I am still afraid that the sprag clutches are knackered - that or the torque converter.

What does the fluid smell like now?

MarkGolf
Tuesday 5th April 2005, 23:49
Nah, wudn't say its turning worse, just that its mixed with the old fluid and is a brown colour, but the original fluid was volvo brown stuff, so fair enough..
After tomorrow's diagnostic check, will go ahead with a full on fluid change again and make sure its all out..
Sut=rely it cant be mechanical if its after 40 mins, exactly the same amount of time it took for something wrong to happen the day before..
I see it as an electrical prob, but who am I to know/say really..
No sure on the torque converter, but can't be the clutches if its fine all the other times... Ahh, just frustrating!

Wobbly Dave
Tuesday 5th April 2005, 23:56
We shall see. If you need any pointers tomorrow - I will be on call. My number is 07801 347 993.

Wobbly Dave
Wednesday 6th April 2005, 00:09
Here is a great article from OzBrick about ATF changes

http://au.geocities.com/ozbrick850/atf-essay.html

glock19
Wednesday 6th April 2005, 00:43
Sorry, just listening but as I wanted this topic to be subscribed to my e-mail, I'll have to write something. Anyway mine is auto too and I doubt it's the electronics coz they're really robust. Also Electronics are not chronic, it's either they fail totally or they work, not intermittently as described.

MarkGolf
Wednesday 6th April 2005, 10:07
Its went to the mechanics this morn, he says its the box sticking.. When it gets hot, it sticks and does not want to go back into gear..
I really do think its something to do with teh ££££e mix of fluid, so my last hope is a FULL fluid change making sure its perfectly clean, then take it to the local auto transmission place and see what they think...

Its looking highly likely the car is going to be rid of..

Bracer
Wednesday 6th April 2005, 10:08
Fingers X'd for you mate !

TEAMWAYSIDE21
Wednesday 6th April 2005, 13:15
Hello,i Just Thought I Would Tell You About My Nightmare With My Auto Volvo...............

I Brought A 1995 Auto T5 850 From A Private Bloke And Had The Car

For A Week Or So And The Box Gave Way,rang Him Straight Back And

After Threatening Him,he Agreed To Pay For The Reapirs,but The

Repairs Went Into The Thousands,rang Him Back Again And After

Threatening Him Again,he Agreed To Have The Car Back And Give Me

My Money Back In Full For The Car.i Went Round There With My Two

Brothers And He Didn't Try And F**k About,he Just Handed The

Money Over.

I Don't Know How Long You Have Had The Car,but You Could Try And

Take It Back To Where You Brought It.

If Not,when I Rang A Couple Of Months Later,the Bloke Said He Had

Sold It For £1100 For Scrap.

This Maybe A One Off,but They Do Fetch Alot In Scrap Form.

Bracer
Wednesday 6th April 2005, 13:22
I would say you were lucky mate. I make a point of putting it on the recipt "Sold As Seen".

But I would never sell a car if I knew something was on its way out without telling the buyer the full ins and outs !

Wobbly Dave
Wednesday 6th April 2005, 15:22
Capslock-itis seems to be getting better too.

Bracer
Wednesday 6th April 2005, 15:38
Capslock-itis seems to be getting better too.

Must of cleaned his keyboard :D

pyrotechnictigger
Wednesday 6th April 2005, 15:44
You were bloody lucky! Under UK law, there is NO recourse on a private sale :eye-poppi

Bracer
Wednesday 6th April 2005, 15:47
You were bloody lucky! Under UK law, there is NO recourse on a private sale :eye-poppi

There's alot to be said for having a couple of very BIG bro's :tank:

MarkGolf
Wednesday 6th April 2005, 20:46
Mine was sold as seen, wouldnt try giving it back anyway, its an old car, so probs are guna happen.. I've had it for 5 weeks now I think..

Its just guna sit on my drive till Sat, will do a fluid change, see how it goes, then its going to get loooked over, then its guna be fully tested on Tuesday..

Had a bit more feedback from mechaincs

Could be a blocked valve or similar
Dodgy oil cud be causing the problems with things sticking
Torque convertor
Sensor/wire/other electrical prob
ECU

List goes on and on...

Unless its something silly, the car is 100% going, I've lost faith in Auto's and just want another VW, always said I'll never buy anything other than a german car, with the exception of super cars or cosworths..lol.. The T5 was quite a silly car to have for a runabout, but it was practical and satisfied me power wise! Ahh, we'll see what happens, just quite wound up about the whole thing :( Im driving about in a Merc A-class and its made me appreciate how good the T5 was/is!

t5uk
Wednesday 6th April 2005, 23:57
Sold as seen and no recourse on a private sale are utter crap in the UK; I know from personal experience; here goes:

I sold a Ducati Motorcycle to a person as a private sale 3 months after I had purchased it from a dealer. When I purchased it I asked for a full service with a Cam Belt Change and hence advertised it as having this work done.

The person agreed to purchase the bike and signed a receipt which specifically stated the vehicle was 'Sold as Seen' He was given the service receipt from the Garage showing the work had been done and actually contacted the dealer to verify it.

Six weeks later the cambelt failed and he took me to the small claims court under the Missrepresentation Act stating that the cambelts hadn't been changed by the garage when I had purchased it.

In court he Produced an expert witness statement stating that in his opinion the work hadn't been done and he was awarded damages even though I produced doccumentation stating it had.

The Judge decided to believe the expert witness even though he had been given the engine in a completely stripped down state and said that i Had therefore made an 'Innocent Missrepresentation' when selling the vehicle and as such the the purchaser was entitled to recind the Contract - the doccument stating 'Sold as seen' was worthless.

The fact of the matter is that you do have rights buying privately and I will never sell another vehicle privately as a result of this!

Wobbly Dave
Thursday 7th April 2005, 00:00
I don't think you chose badly I think you have been unlucky that it has gone wrong so soon.

IMHO I think you have over stretched the old oil and burnt it. The particles have clogged the filters in th box. The mechanicals in the Aisin Warner box can take the power - but maybe the old ATF couldn't.

To prove the point with the ECU - you'd have to borrow one and swap it.

TEAMWAYSIDE21
Thursday 7th April 2005, 11:16
blimey,small claims court!!!!

i never new you could do that.

anyway,we can beat around the bushes,but i would like to apologise for your car going wrong,i know what it feels like,and it's not nice.

i am not mechanically minded,but if there is anything i can do,(swapping ecu's etc)let me know.

other than that,good luck getting it sorted,and don't buy another auto.manuals are better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

see ya

ps.THE CAPS LOCK BUTTON JUST SEEMS TO COME ON AUTOMATICALLY,AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HA HA

jp850R
Thursday 7th April 2005, 15:15
As regard sold as seen i was told once that to be safe if you are selling a car for spares repairs or scrap, then you put "sold for restoration" (i think) but if as far as you know it is in good working order yopu should put "sold without warrentee" (or however you spell it!) :)

Sorry cant help you with the g,box prob, i blew 2 up in my 1st car ended up makin it a manual! so i no how you feel mate.

lance
Thursday 7th April 2005, 16:04
As regard sold as seen i was told once that to be safe if you are selling a car for spares repairs or scrap, then you put "sold for restoration" (i think) but if as far as you know it is in good working order yopu should put "sold without warrentee" (or however you spell it!) :)

Sorry cant help you with the g,box prob, i blew 2 up in my 1st car ended up makin it a manual! so i no how you feel mate.

I know of a garage that sells cheap cars and you have to sign a disclaimer saying the cars sold with faulty engine,gearbox clutch drive/propshafts breaks steering suspension etc etc