fireplums got a new car

[fireplums]

Hi there
Got myself a T5 estate , stumbled across this site and already got all sorts of ideas of things to do to it.
got fully comp insurance for £250 @elephant.co.uk could'nt believe it bloody bargin.
Already had a stack of fun playing in the sports mode with a few nice kills a new saab convertable yesterday who was trying to sniff me tail feathers! Also an alfa of some sort ...not the sporty sort by the look of things.
Might go for a de badge / scruffy looking street sleeper :shifty:
anyhow Hello!

[Justin]

Welcome, see your other post.


Sounds like your having fun already with the T5 :)

[Justin]

Actually a double welcome as you are our 100th member.

I hope the site continues to grow (you dont get a prize im sorry to say):shifty:

[Pedro Fandango]

hi welcome to the forum,

please tell me the SAAB wasn't a metalic blue one with "S44B ??" on the reg, if so it was my old man (i must apologise, he thinks its quick)

[Mrsmopp]

Welcome to the forum!!!!

When did you collect your T5? I assume its an 850? I take it you have a few modifications in mind?

Glad you could join us :wink:

x

[fireplums]

Had it about 2 months and yep its the 850. Seems the new ecu is number one top mod for the t5? cant think of any other car with such easy power increase for a moderate sum of money. How does 300+hp transmit through the front wheels? I take it you guys dont regard 250bhp as a max for a front wheel drive car then?
Was hoping to get an upsolute ecu heard some good things from a bloke at the volvo garage when i bought a new key and remote for £100+ !!! :eek:
The saab in question was a yellow one 93/ 95 not sure, passed him and he didnt like it so he tried to muscle me out the way on a long uphill. Saab didnt have the muscle though. The acceleration when I stamped on it was pretty impressive , way better than a stock scooby at the same speed I reckon. Half the price as well ..... :) sweet

[Mrsmopp]

The upsolute is a good upgrade for the money 275bhp for just under 300 quid. Its a chip that is soldered onto the ecu tho rather than an ecu upgrade so it does have its downsides.

300bhp means that traction isn't great in the wet but as long as you use first gear wisely you shouldn't have a problem (Quite easy to spin up in 2nd and 3rd too - but a whole lot of fun) the torque steer on a RICA ecu upgrade is something you have to get used to too! :eek: But I wouldn't be without it now I have had it done!!

The T5 engine can take up to about 340/350bhp from an ecu remap before bits start to bend or break and this can be acheived from a 19T turbo and an ecu upgrade to match.

x

[Wobbly Dave]

Fireplums eh? Fair enough - suppose it is better than hotbollox?

:welcome:

I can't get the power down in the wet - so I don't bother - it is quite good fun watching the faces of the other drivers if you light up the tyres when it is raining, at 40 mph - coz you don't actually get that much faster.

However in the dry my auto is awesome (even my die hard MT mates in here will say as much). Power delivery is quick and silky smooth. I have a new turbo which helps - in combination with the RICA - "bye bye GTI!"

Volvotuning now stock both the BSR and RICA upgrade. I'd be wary of soldering anything onto the ECU board - vi-sa-vi Upsolute - IMHO.

Enjoy the forum and hope to catch you around

[Pedro Fandango]

The saab in question was a yellow one 93/ 95 not sure
they only do the 9-3 in the convertable, if it was at Aero it would be a 2.0litre 4 cylinder turbo with 205bhp. But i bet they are lighter than ours

[fireplums]

think it said 2.0t on the back did'nt get good look was going to quick.
If you chip the auto's do you need the extra oil cooler thing you can get for towing and was that standard on the towpack from the factory?
Is the quoted bhp figures for the chips accurate? anyone got rolling road proof of the 300+ one if thats pucker I'm having it !
reckon 300bhp would see off pretty much everything you come across on the motorway



:bow_kneel

[fireplums]

hey just checked the gallery I'm missing the rear spoiler on mine, cant see where it fitted . I take it they were an option?

[Justin]

Yes they were mate, you can get them all day long for £75 though if you want one :)

[Wobbly Dave]

300bhp will indeed see off all but the most expensive/determined of opponents. Top speed is just over 170mph.

Mine will push without slowing in acceleration rate to the top side of 130mph. It is simply fierce.

:bow_kneel

[Justin]

Off the clock at 160 in mine! :wink:

[fireplums]

I'm so getting that upgrade!!
where should the boost needle get to when you are foot to the floor? (no mods) mine doesnt seem to go much past 1/3 . Dont think it would get up around the 155 mark..... is she bust? :shifty:

[Mrsmopp]

A stock T5 never reaches much further than halfway. Dont be too alarmed if she isn't making that as standard each one is different and the boost gauges aren't exact anyway.

x

[Justin]

The stock 850 T5 produces about 0.6 bar of boost, with the upgrade it goes to 1.1 bar, if you boost gauge is accurate (as moppy says many are not) then it sound like its running ok, 150mph is a fair speed with a standard car, with the rica ecu the needle goes off the end of the white, or at least to the end, but like we have said, depends on how accurate the gauge is. Even though my speedo goes past 160mph i have gps actual speed in the car, it sits at 158mph on the rev limiter, meaning that my speedo is approximately 6mph out at that speed. Hope this helps :wink:

[Wobbly Dave]

mine goes off the gauge completely and holds just at or nearly passed the end of the white - about 1.2 bar

[Pedro Fandango]

mine goes off the gauge completely and holds just at or nearly passed the end of the white - about 1.2 bar
& me :bow_kneel

[Justin]

Difference is Cov's thinks its a second hand on a clock at the mo :eek:

[Mrsmopp]

Dave,

I dont understand why yours is producing 1.2 bar when the RICA only produces 1.1??? I know the reason behind mine hitting 1.6 bar but thats because I have a faulty BCS. When I was first RICA'd it was off the end of the white and holding there but Adam assured me it was holding 1.1 bar by his gauge!

x

[Pedro Fandango]

Difference is Cov's thinks its a second hand on a clock at the mo :eek:
lol, she's quite happy with it so i aint messing

[Wobbly Dave]

Dave,

I dont understand why yours is producing 1.2 bar when the RICA only produces 1.1??? I know the reason behind mine hitting 1.6 bar but thats because I have a faulty BCS. When I was first RICA'd it was off the end of the white and holding there but Adam assured me it was holding 1.1 bar by his gauge!

x

Coz mine is supa-doopa! :wink:

[Mrsmopp]

Coz mine is supa-doopa! :wink:

Which technically means????? :rolleyes: :confused: :crazy:

x

[Wobbly Dave]

That is technical.

Along with the technical answers to the question
"What's wrong with it"

"It's f*cked" (I think this maybe broken)
or

"It's really f*cked" (I am certain it is broken)

and

"I think they f*cked it" (It worked before I gave it to you)


LOL

[Mrsmopp]

And now in english?

x

[Justin]

Mine is boosting to over 1.1 bar sis too, not just daves, in fact it holds at 1.2 in 5th! Just one of those things, Adam can't give me an explanation either....

Can you short one ???????

[lance]

Could be turbos run in, optimax & better air flow.

[Justin]

Yeh possibly mate, the X factor i think!

[C70T5]

When I was first RICA'd it was off the end of the white and holding there but Adam assured me it was holding 1.1 bar by his gauge!
x

RICA?....... Really? :eek:

[Justin]

:confused: :confused: :troutslap You alright Chris?

[C70T5]

Not sure I think I'm in shock? Or misread?

[Mrsmopp]

Mine is boosting to over 1.1 bar sis too, not just daves, in fact it holds at 1.2 in 5th! Just one of those things, Adam can't give me an explanation either....

Can you short one ???????

Yeah - you have been tweaking!!!

I'm just interested to know how some peoples cars are "faster" than everyone elses!

x

[Justin]

Im sure it depends on the car, how its maintained and in what condition the internals are in sis.

[Mrsmopp]

You sure its not just a bit of male pride going on boys?

x

[Wobbly Dave]

It is proper off the gauge and holding there at 1.2. Justin has seen it!!

Could be that my calibrated gauge is not that accurate. But I am certain the small one said it was 1.2!

I doubt my pride has any influence on the boost!

[Mrsmopp]

I'm just intrigued into how all these cars are RICA'd at 1.1 bar and yet the odd one or 2 slip through the net and be producing more power????

x

[Wobbly Dave]

It's Magic :wink:


:wizardtro

[Mrsmopp]

It's Magic :wink:


:wizardtro

You're not helping!!! :slap: :help: Genuine question......Can anyone answer?

x

[C70T5]

Tasha, don't you believe in the X Factor?

Then again could be that the slower RICA cars just need to take out the front drivers car mat ;)

[Wobbly Dave]

You're not helping!!! :slap: :help: Genuine question......Can anyone answer?

x

Didn't take long to work that out.

[Mrsmopp]

NO! We are talking about cars not Simon Cowell!!! LOL

Please can someone take this seriously and give me a serious response?

x

[C70T5]

NO! We are talking about cars not Simon Cowell!!! LOL

Please can someone take this seriously and give me a serious response?

x

As I think J touched on it before it's down to the condition of the engine, so many little things make the car go faster or slower I'm not sure there is one thing that you can out your finger on.


PS:"Last edited by Mrsmopp : Today at 17:21." Hear you load and clear. Tasha.

[Mrsmopp]

ECU is SET to 1.1 bar - RIGHT? So explain then how anyone is getting more than that unless something is broken (like on my car!)

I understand the concept of tired turbos etc affecting performance but a sh** hot T5 in A1 condition should be producing 1.1bar as per the upgrade.

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[Justin]

Right, i have asked the short one and my suspisions were right.

There are several factors that can cause some cars to run more boost or less infact.

If you had a brand new 850 T5 and rica remapped the car it would produce 1.1 bar all day long. The 850 T5 does not measure boost, the software is not that intellegent, all it does is take readings from various sensors around the car and engine to determine the required fuel/air/ignition to create 1.1 bar (when rica'd)

Its called torque mapping, as the ecu produces the required mixture of the three to produce a set torque figure.

Now several things around the engine influence this, ie, O2 sensor, lambda sensor, boost control solenoid etc etc etc. In your case mophead your BCS is stuck wide open, thus giving the BCS no control over the level of boost, so it does what it pleases in that sense, the other side could be that its locked shut and would not allow any boost. Now in my case the BCS is as far as i know the original one from new, so it may not be as efficient and worn, hence what it thinks is 1.1 bar is actually 1.2 bar, or it could go the other way, ie only produce 1.0 bar. That is the only physical explanation for it, the signals and readings sent from around the engine make the ecu determine the levels it uses to produce 1.1 bar, if they are not 100% accurate in thier readings due to say old age and being worn, the ecu gets the wrong readings and the boost is altered slightly, higher or lower. 1 other factor in it is a weak or wrongly set actuator which will alter the spool up characteristics of the turbocharger, but as both Dave and I have new turbo's and actuators, this can be removed from the equasion.

Hope that helps, its quite simple really :)

[Mrsmopp]

Thats exactly what I wanted to hear! Its alright people going on about my car produces this and my car produces that but without giving the reasons why it don't mean sh**. Like J says a worn BCS can determine the difference between 1.0bar and 1.2 bar a seriously foooooked BCS determines the differnce between 0.6bar and off the scale bar!!!!

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[Justin]

Glad i could help :wink:


Thanks "short one" for the insight into this, You make me look good :eek: