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Bison
Monday 28th March 2005, 17:11
Hi I've recently bought my lovely T5, and it has been well looked after, now I am hearing some noises that I am not sure should be there. I think the car might need a new clutch as it does bite quite high, and this is where I hear the sound that I don't like.

Basically when lifting the clutch (even in neutral I get like a clicking sound just before it engages the gear (just before you take your foot completely off the clutch), is this normal? I have heard some sort of bearing sometimes needs replacing on the T5, when I get the new clutch is this part of the kit? Is this noise normal as it doesn;t sound right.

Bison

rich850t5
Monday 28th March 2005, 17:44
If you are going to change the clutch make sure you change 1-pressure plate 2-thrust bearing 3-clutch plate Also check condition of flywheel,if badly worn you can get them skimmed or just replace it.Its all about your bank balance GOOD LUCK Rich

siamblue
Monday 28th March 2005, 17:52
Change the oil in the box as well at the same time,If it hasn't been done recently :smile:

Bison
Monday 28th March 2005, 17:58
If you are going to change the clutch make sure you change 1-pressure plate 2-thrust bearing 3-clutch plate Also check condition of flywheel,if badly worn you can get them skimmed or just replace it.Its all about your bank balance GOOD LUCK Rich


How many of my hard earned $krillaz are we talking for all this in parts only?

Bison

siamblue
Monday 28th March 2005, 18:10
Probably £350 upwards depends on where you go,And what type of clutch you have fitted.You sure your gearbox is ok?As nows the time to sort it if it isn't.

Bison
Monday 28th March 2005, 22:47
Probably £350 upwards depends on where you go,And what type of clutch you have fitted.You sure your gearbox is ok?As nows the time to sort it if it isn't

i think it is, how would I tell if it wasn;t seems ok to me. just that noise when i lift off the clutch, I blew the box in my last T5. dont worry me, cos it cost me loads and was hassle to get a new one last time.

Bison

siamblue
Monday 28th March 2005, 23:27
I had the release bearing replaced on my last T5,Turned out to be play/noise from the box in the end,I was well p'd off spending the money on a new release bearing for it to make noise still,

Bison
Tuesday 29th March 2005, 10:52
I had the release bearing replaced on my last T5,Turned out to be play/noise from the box in the end,I was well p'd off spending the money on a new release bearing for it to make noise still,

Did you have to get a new box then? how did you get rid of the noise? Thinking about it, it also makes the noise when releasing the clutch in neutral? So sounds like this release bearing your on about. isn't that quite common on the T5?

Bison

LeeT5
Sunday 24th April 2005, 21:23
Did you have to get a new box then? how did you get rid of the noise? Thinking about it, it also makes the noise when releasing the clutch in neutral? So sounds like this release bearing your on about. isn't that quite common on the T5?

Bison
Ok dude listen in...AA patrol at your service. To tell if it is the thrust bearing, just start the car in neutral, drivers door open, once warmed up press foot on clutch. If noise disappears it is most definately you thrust bearing, in which case crack on and get a new clutch kit fitted (should come with thrust bearing if you get a good make) ie borg and beck or LUK. Go to Euro Car Parts!!!! Ohh yeah...dont forget the clutch release fork either, main dealer only and quite cheap. This wears too so will make a difference with a new clutch. :remybussi :)

However... :frown: if the noise does not disappear then im afraid it is likely to be a bearing inside the gearbox itself. :sick:

:eclipsee_ Good luck!!!!

vt5
Sunday 24th April 2005, 23:18
AA to the rescue, good advice.

i recently replaced my gearbox and clutch assembly.

Clutch, best value i found for manual T5 1996 saloon was Volvo dealers at £163 + VAT (parts only)

Euro car parts wanted £153 + VAT So for the extra tenner i got an OE clutch. Fitted for an extra £100 (need to drop the subframe which bolts like to seize in) Also fit a new rear crank seal while your at it, £11 from Volvo.

There is a bearing that "goes" in the manual boxes. I spoke to VT at length about this when mine went. Unfortunately you cant replace the bearing cos no one makes them, so its new box time. :slap:

The noise i had though apart from the groan and judder when taking up drive from the knackered clutch, was the car sounded like it was driving in reverse (you know the noise) when it was going forward. Drove ok though for a while, but VT did state if the bearing collapses suddenly it can lock your diff then you might find yourself "checking out" if your travelling fast.

Hope its something cheap though.

PS. if you need a box give me a shout, i got mine for £170 second hand manual in great condition (smooth as silk)

BagR
Friday 10th June 2005, 11:35
I was doing a search on 'clutch' when i came across this thread, and was hoping someone could maybe give me some advise.

I occasionally get this 'click' noise when siting on the clutch (Manual R). It just clicks once and thats it. Also when moving away from a standstill in first, it will occasionally flick out of 1st into neutral. Only happens maybe 5% of times i drive away from standstill and only when warm.

Would it be the opinion of anyones that this thurst bearing could be to blame and its new clutch time?

thanks
Andy

Martinr
Friday 10th June 2005, 11:42
I second what VT5 says, fit a new rear crank oil seal when the clutch is done.

I had to have this done on my car, (which is an Auto), and the real sting is in the labour charge.

Might as well do it at the same time if the box is out rather than take the chance that it will not fail in the future.

Not_Gwaredd
Friday 10th June 2005, 12:50
BagR.

If it's popping out of gear, then it's deffo not clutch related. I don't know what the clicking is, maybe check the clutch cable to see if it's not snagging? Depends on where the sound is coming from. If it's coming from under the dash/pedal box area, then it could be cable/adjuster problems. If it's coming from inside the engine bay, it could be anything & could be related to it popping out of gear.

As for the popping out of gear, it might be wise to change your gearbox oil 1st, as you say it only happens when warm & the oil is thinner then, but something else is amiss for it to do that. Check your engine mounts too (inc the top donut one) as engine movement can cause this to happen. (happens all the time on old minis)

Best of luck.

pzorb
Friday 10th June 2005, 13:24
How long does the manual transmission last on average? How would you go about breaking it in the first place? I'm going in for a new clutch soon and the manual box (168k) hasn't ever given me any grief whilst i've owned it (I occasionally crunch it by mistake, at tops once every few thousand, that's it) is it worth replacing?

Martin

BagR
Friday 10th June 2005, 13:39
BagR.
If it's popping out of gear, then it's deffo not clutch related. I don't know what the clicking is, maybe check the clutch cable to see if it's not snagging? Depends on where the sound is coming from. If it's coming from under the dash/pedal box area, then it could be cable/adjuster problems. If it's coming from inside the engine bay, it could be anything & could be related to it popping out of gear.

As for the popping out of gear, it might be wise to change your gearbox oil 1st, as you say it only happens when warm & the oil is thinner then, but something else is amiss for it to do that. Check your engine mounts too (inc the top donut one) as engine movement can cause this to happen. (happens all the time on old minis)
Best of luck.

thanks for the advise sir! I'll check out the mounts and the oil to start with. The 'click' very definately comes from the the pedal area.

thanks
Andy

Not_Gwaredd
Friday 10th June 2005, 18:08
The Mk 3 & 4 ford escorts used to have a self adjusting clutch pedal which consisted of a plastic quadrant with teeth on & a pawl type thing. The teeth on the quadrant used to wear, causing it miss a few teeth, then make a loud click when it re-engaged, until finally it failed altogether & the clutch pedal hit the floor.

I have no idea whether the T5's use such a device or anything similar, but it's gotta be worth a look.

Gwaredd.

pikeajm
Friday 10th June 2005, 19:16
i thought it is hydrolic clutch actuation not cable

oliwally
Friday 10th June 2005, 21:51
Ok dude listen in...AA patrol at your service. To tell if it is the thrust bearing, just start the car in neutral, drivers door open, once warmed up press foot on clutch. If noise disappears it is most definately you thrust bearing, in which case crack on and get a new clutch kit fitted (should come with thrust bearing if you get a good make) ie borg and beck or LUK. Go to Euro Car Parts!!!! Ohh yeah...dont forget the clutch release fork either, main dealer only and quite cheap. This wears too so will make a difference with a new clutch. :remybussi :)

However... :frown: if the noise does not disappear then im afraid it is likely to be a bearing inside the gearbox itself. :sick:

:eclipsee_ Good luck!!!!

HOw Do You Come To That???. when you press the clutch down your disengaging the drive plate,if the noise goes,then its a noisey gearbox. If the noise gets louder when pressing the clutch your thrust bearings had it.

When your foot is off the pedal the thrusts not touching the pressure plate.

siamblue
Friday 10th June 2005, 22:10
Bag Does your gearbox make a noise when you shut it off? Try shutting it off with the clutch pressed down and if it is quiet then it will be one of your bearings.
Also as Lee said "Engage the clutch with the car running" If it quietens down then it is the Thrust bearing.

LeeT5
Sunday 12th June 2005, 01:08
HOw Do You Come To That???. when you press the clutch down your disengaging the drive plate,if the noise goes,then its a noisey gearbox. If the noise gets louder when pressing the clutch your thrust bearings had it.

When your foot is off the pedal the thrusts not touching the pressure plate.

:slap: Ok maybe i should clarify... firstly most ppl here are NOT mechanics and so i am not going go all tech on everyone....remember this is merely advise and every car/engine/gearbox will be different but as a general guide only this advise is given! If u r still not sure then pop along to your garage and have someone listen - its abit like trying to diagnose a fault over the phone...IMPOSSIBLE!!

so i will digress.. No one wants to replace a gearbox if its not needed and presuming a car ie volvo 850 is driven with respect and that it is after all a Volvo, there is no reason why most g/boxs last well into the 200k mark. So it would be fair to say that the most probable cause of noise in a gearbox (manual) where the clutch is heavily worn and in need of replacing is the Thrust bearing. Hense why they are supplied with the clutch after all they do absorb the impact of disengaging and engaging the clutch every time u change gear. So it is also fair to say that the noise that is present when the clutch is disengaged could also be the input shaft bearing!!! But now we are delving in deep and this will start to cost money. So best to get advice from someone who can actually see and hear the car and test drive if possible. No experienced mechanic will give advice on paper or phone without seeing the car. Nuff said.

As regards your comment, you are correct to a certain extent.

oliwally
Sunday 12th June 2005, 15:25
:slap: Ok maybe i should clarify... firstly most ppl here are NOT mechanics and so i am not going go all tech on everyone....remember this is merely advise and every car/engine/gearbox will be different but as a general guide only this advise is given! If u r still not sure then pop along to your garage and have someone listen - its abit like trying to diagnose a fault over the phone...IMPOSSIBLE!!

so i will digress.. No one wants to replace a gearbox if its not needed and presuming a car ie volvo 850 is driven with respect and that it is after all a Volvo, there is no reason why most g/boxs last well into the 200k mark. So it would be fair to say that the most probable cause of noise in a gearbox (manual) where the clutch is heavily worn and in need of replacing is the Thrust bearing. Hense why they are supplied with the clutch after all they do absorb the impact of disengaging and engaging the clutch every time u change gear. So it is also fair to say that the noise that is present when the clutch is disengaged could also be the input shaft bearing!!! But now we are delving in deep and this will start to cost money. So best to get advice from someone who can actually see and hear the car and test drive if possible. No experienced mechanic will give advice on paper or phone without seeing the car. Nuff said.

As regards your comment, you are correct to a certain extent.

Sorry,didnt mean for that to sound like that. In 9 years of working on cars i've only ever had 3 thrust bearings make a noise,1 let go completely on road test. I have found with ford,the have spent £££££ on their new engines to make them quieter that you can hear the whiring of the mainshaft.
It all depends on how loud the noise is.