Antiroll Bars And Bushes?

[oliwally]

Think While I'm Doing The Rear Main And Whatever I Get From The Group Buy From QBM I Thought I'd Replace The ARB Bushes,Volvo Only Sell The Complete Bar With Bushes At £100+. Can You Get After Market Ones?
What About These IPD Uprated Sway Bars? Are They Any Good? What Do They Do To The Handling? Is It Worth The Money?
Sorry For All The Questions

[BlackBeast]

Just looked, there are only 2 bushes on the front and none on the back arb. The IPD ARBs are meant to be good, thicker than standard, would go really well with the QBM end links.

They are supposed to allow the car to take a corner without diving on one side, so you will be able to take the corner flatter, faster and have more control.

Regarding if they are worth the money or not, have a read on VolvoSpeed. They can give you first hand experience of them. Hmmm, group buy??? :D

[oliwally]

Hmmm, group buy??? :D
Me Me Me Me Me Me. I'll Have A Set Or Maybe 2!!!!:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

EDIT:Wrong Smilie,Was Serious About Maybe 2 Sets.

[RobA]

Me Me Me Me Me Me. I'll Have A Set Or Maybe 2!!!!:rotfl: :rotfl:

In all seriousness, I'm up for these as well as the QBM endlinks etc...I will be enquiring with IPD for myself and will ask the question about a group buy and post back here...

[RobA]

Just sent an email to IPD, so I'll post back if and when I get a reply.

In the meantime, if anyone's defo interested, post up here so I've got an idea of numbers

[BlackBeast]

In all seriousness, I'm up for these as well as the QBM endlinks etc...I will be enquiring with IPD for myself and will ask the question about a group buy and post back here...

The IPD ARBs are in my plan but not for a good while yet, especially as I want loads of stuff with the QBM group buy. But go for it, ask them how much discount we would get if we had 5 people.

[T5SLAVE]

Just sent an email to IPD, so I'll post back if and when I get a reply.

In the meantime, if anyone's defo interested, post up here so I've got an idea of numbers

Count me in my man:bounce: I wanna get ma beast handlin sooper dooper good b4 I try n shove any serious power down:rolleyes2

[Niles]

do you realise you'll have to drop the engine to change the anti roll bar? changing the bushes is a major pain in the arse. Tiny ultra strong hands & bucket loads of tollerance required!

[BlackBeast]

On some cars you have to lower the rear of the subframe, on some others you dont need to.

[arbee]

i have a feeling blackbooty has done this, may be worth a pm if people are intersted?

[blackbooty]

On some cars you have to lower the rear of the subframe, on some others you dont need to.

bang on mate.

phase 1 850 T5's have replaceable ARB bushes, phase 2 are vulcanised to the bar and cant be replaced on their own, whole new rollbar.

edit... phase 1's ARB bushes can be replaced without dropping rear of sub-frame.
phase 2's need rear of subframe dropped to be able to replace whole ARB.

[oliwally]

bang on mate.

phase 2 are vulcanised to the bar and cant be replaced on their own, whole new rollbar.


So Do IPD Bars Come With The Bushes Or Are They More Like The P1's?

[Straker]

Count me in for a bigger better ARB. Any more info on the group buy?

[blackbooty]

So Do IPD Bars Come With The Bushes Or Are They More Like The P1's?

wouldnt know mate, but the rear of the subframe has to be dropped to get a new ARB on.

dropping the rear of the subframe is an easy job, real straight forward.

[woz]

Anyone got a link to IPD??? wouldnt mind taking a look.

Incidentally, one or two people are asking some general questions on ARB's etc., so not meaning to teach egg-sucking for old dears here's some hints...

In general ARB's, or swaybars as the yanks call them, act as an extra spring which only acts if the wheels are moving up and down in relation to each other. Thus they resist the car from rolling due to cornering forces. Hence a thicker bar, is a stiffer spring, so reduces roll. HOWEVER - you need to strike a balance between front and rear - if you stiffen the front but leave the rear soft, the car will still roll, but you will tend to lift the inside front (DRIVEN) wheel and get understeer, and wheelspin in a beast like ours! Imagine the weight on the outside wheel pushing it up - the ARB is like a giant hand trying to lift up the inside wheel to keep them level. A softer ARB wont try so hard. Makes sense?? Ditto if go stiff at the rear (oops) you can get oversteer if you lift off - (scarey).

Remember too the extra roll stiffness is additional to that added by stiffer springing which you will probably have already done anyway, and roll is already reduced by reduced weight transfer from lowering which ...ditto!

So dont go mad. To give an idea I used to trial my Meastro 1.6 and used to remove the ARB from the front completely before an event - the extra traction was significant on hilly, uneven soft ground, and accelerating out of roundabouts etc..
If you want further essays on handling, get hold of some old CCC, or kit car mags, or talk to some circuit racers, before spending ££loadsa !.

[BlackBeast]

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[BlackBeast]

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[BlackBeast]

Ok, found a little something regarding the bushes of the IPD swaybar, hopefully it creates an useful picture:-

If you have the Ipd Front bar, on the bar there are two washerlike things (Stronger of course) that are welded onto the bar. These are welded where the outer(maybe its inner, i forget) edges of where the new poly bushings are to go. After installing the bushings, which are aligned up to the "washers" on the bar and with the subframe of the car, you attach the "d-clamps" to hold the bushing DOWN onto the subframe with the swaybar. BUT.. the "washers" keep the bar from moving sideways (left to right motion). when the "d clamps" are down, they hold the bushings DOWN in place... but the bushings are not 100% holding the bar itself in place. to the hand, it probably wont move much... but the car's weight shifts, I would believe to make the bar move sideways (if not much but a little give.

[blackbooty]

irecon there would be a slight movement too Steve,it is a rubber/poly bush after all.

i recon that was the reason volvo changed bushings on the phase 1/2 after reading that.

as far as im aware, the phase 1 ARB was smooth, so the mounting was only holding the ARB still directionally ,front/back.

on the phase 2 the mountings are fixed to the bar in such a way (vulcanised)
as to try and stop any lateral movement also.

i am only summising tho ,cos i havnt changed a P1 ARB, only a P2.

im sure ill be corrected shortly. lol

[Al115]

I just got some IPD bars myself, haven't fitted them yet but they get great reviews. Beware the shipping and customs costs, they can double the cost of the bar kit! Best find a way around them if you can :)

[BlackBeast]

I just got some IPD bars myself, haven't fitted them yet but they get great reviews. Beware the shipping and customs costs, they can double the cost of the bar kit! Best find a way around them if you can :)

If your car came as standard without a rear arb, go and fit just the rear one first and take it for a good drive, depending how the rest of your suspension is set up turn in should be much better without any understeer. If theres too much oversteer fit the front, if you like it like that then leave the standard one on in the front.

[woz]

Lateral movement of the bar will be totall irrelevant to the handling - lateral movement of the suspension is resisted by the TCA bushings - hence the QBM buy where we are all getting new ones (rght?) The only force on the sway bar, is a reaction to the forces applied by the rod ends on the drop links. These only transmit forcing along the line of the link which is nearly vertical. Lateral shift of the sway bar is a "kipper rouge".
W:>)

[blackbooty]

like i said, ill be put right by someone who knows.

[Straker]

Count me out of the group buy. We booked a holiday to Brazil at the weekend and I am now skint :sorry:

Be interested to know from anyone who has got them how it goes and weather they are worth the money.

Cheers

[Mental Wealth Doctor]

Just purchased IPD ARB, not fitted yet, but i havent lowered car, and its made me wonder am i gonna notice any difference?, its an 850 AWD and sits suprisingly high on new springs and shocks, been advized against lowering, and it is handy having clearance at times, wish i could afford hydraulic's but i guess that would just be loads more weight. nivomats on back bilstien b4 on front, standard genuine's springs all round. and she seems higher on front than back. my current ARB bushes are perished, so im hoping for a noticeable improvement.

[roy chu]

The ARB's will not dissapoint, they will transform your handling very nicely, however if you have not had any other items done such as poly bush control arms, then the bars might have more wear on the standard bushes.

When I had my 1998 V70 T5 I polyed my front control arms and top engine mount and that felt very nice and tight alone, add that to the list to compliment the ARB's in the future, a nice little upgrade it will turn into.

IPD ARB KIT I love it. I fitted it to my S60 and its not harsh what so ever, the 4C system still feels good. It just reduces your body roll.

Good luck with the install.

[Mental Wealth Doctor]

cheer's Roy

[Nico20V]

Hi Doc! I have to say that I expected little difference on the front and I didn't expect to find a stock ARB on the rear, so that too meant I might not otherwise have deemed these a worwhile mod for the money, but I have to say these are worth every penny. The difference is phenominal. This is my 3rd volvo T5 and I've always considered them one of the worst handling cars I've driven.

I'd been considering uprated suspension options prior to buying these IPD ARB's and had bid on some coilovers and almost bought some FSK's, but after drving with these IPD's the cornering is so flat and the grip the car now has as a result has transformed the handling to such an extent that i think I need not bother uprating the suspension now. They are not cheap and I almost followed suit with most in only buying the rear, but as i've already stated the pair are worth every penny as no other mod could achieve this kind of stability.

Fitting I did myself on my drive way and it was a real ball-ache! The rear was a struggle but the front even worse. Mines a P1 and I did have to drop the back of the subframe and there are some brackets in the way too which you have to blindly undo (not fun in a confined space on the drive) so these had a lot to deliver after all the cursing i did fitting em. Indeed worth it though.

[Mental Wealth Doctor]

Just waiting for my mate to finish doing his clutch on his 460, {which igotta say is mint for L reg} an im gonna have a look at these roll bars.

[Wobbly Dave]

QBM endlinks are quite frankly shockingly badly made IMHO. I imported a set - and within 6 months they were dead.

I have ARB from IPD front and back and the HD IPD Endlinks. I am very happy with them. Just be care of the brake line clearance on the rears.

[Nico20V]

By IPD endlinks, I take it you mean drop links? I recall some debate on here recently about them as people were struggling to source. I was guna get hold of a set too but my scamtech havn't given up yet (I fitted them same time as ARB though - so only recently).

Meantime I've put in for MOT and been told rubber mounts on both wishbones have deteriorated excessively, which i guess means the bushes are shot. Doubly annoying since they too were only fitted this year. Gargage did one so I might have warranty there, but I fitted other from Scamtech so doubt I've got any come back on that one.

Main concern now is - if I've gone through wishbones in under a year and one at least was genuine volvo, ARB's could be exacting a heavy cost to replace suspension arms annually!!